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 07/25/2005 09:01:31 AM · #26
Originally posted by Titia:
And like TooCool, I'm getting pretty fed up with all those predictions too, putting thoughts in voter's minds and condemning the entries before the voting has even started.


I tend to agree as well. No one likes a smart-ass. This kind of thread just dicourages people from trying things out since it berates some types of photos or photo styles. It's almost like walking into a darkened movie theatre and yelling at the top of your lungs "GEEZ, I LOVED THAT SCENE WHERE ! THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SEE THE MOVIE AGAIN! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!"

You're not helping anyone by doing this.
 07/25/2005 09:02:16 AM · #27
Wow,

DPC = Depressing Pedantic Crap

I took some long exposure images last night in Luzern, now I read about this challenge and thought how ironic that I'd got the images but were outside the challenge dates. Undetered, I was still very inspired to enter this challenge until reading this thread and the utter tosh about the challenge description :(

Why is it so difficult for people to just take on the challenge and the voting in the spirit intended?

We all know what long exposure pictures are all about, do dpc really need to specify exact shutter speeds?

If someone wants to enter an image taken at 1/500s based on the fact that they are usually specialist high-speed shooters that never normally drop below 1/4000s then let them.

Let the image speak for itself, enjoy photography, if you want to practice scientifc dissection then find yourselves a biology class and leave DPC to photographers that love photography!

Unreal!
 07/25/2005 09:09:13 AM · #28
I suspect there will also be lots of IR shots from people with the filter for it, and a camera that has not been modified to shoot just IR. I saw some great shots on here the other day taken with a Rebel, and they were exposed anywhere from 60 sec to 120 sec. I'd say that is longer than normal.
 07/25/2005 09:10:30 AM · #29
Well my camera is an hp320 photosmart,so I am not sure I will be able to obtain this one.
 07/25/2005 09:30:57 AM · #30
I would say that "longer than normal" would mean longer than you can hand hold, which would be about 1/15sec. But, exposures at 1/8 &1/4 would be considered too close, so I owuld go for anything 1 second or more.

Actually, though, it should probably be clear in the photo that it is a long exposure, so a 30 second exposure of a wall socket at night will probably not score well since there is nothing to indicate the passing of time:)
 07/25/2005 09:53:47 AM · #31
Wow! I almost feel bad about posting this thread. My intent was not cynical - it was to learn about what people expected from the challenge. When "Leading Lines II" was created, I didn't enter because I didn't understand the intent. Now I have quite a few interesting ideas for this challenge, and some insight into what people enjoy. I never expected it would lead to some of the comments I'm reading.
 07/25/2005 10:07:00 AM · #32
Yes aboutimage, this was a very clever ruse of yours to get ideas! :)
 07/25/2005 10:47:27 AM · #33
Originally posted by colda:
Wow,

DPC = Depressing Pedantic Crap


Pedantic, huh? Had me running to the dictionary! but you're right and there's only one cure. My message is even if its been tried before, we've not seen your version of it, your unique take on it... Shoot your idea and make it the best version that you can, one that truly shows a piece of who you are. Then forget about scores and revel in the fact that more than likely at least one person will enjoy it and see a little more of who you are.

Message edited by author 2005-07-25 10:48:12.
 07/25/2005 11:25:45 AM · #34
Originally posted by briphoto:
Yes aboutimage, this was a very clever ruse of yours to get ideas! :)

Uh oh, someone's on to me!!
 07/25/2005 11:30:58 AM · #35
I predict mine will finish with a 15.3520 ;)

Seriously though, I have several cool ideas that I want to try. Have a feeling its gonna be a long week!
07/25/2005 11:36:18 AM · #36
Long Exposure, Oh Boy!
Someone was reading my mind.
 07/25/2005 11:36:38 AM · #37
This challenge couldn't have come at a better time. I got an idea for a long exposure shot yesterday, and hopefully I'll be able to pull it off this week (it all depends on a friend I need to help me for this).

If the shot will turn out as good as the photo I see in my head? That's a completely different story :-)
07/25/2005 12:20:36 PM · #38
This website is a learning mechanism for people like me who enjoy photography but aren't "professionals". It's very discouraging to read threads like some of these. We are learning how to better our skills, so forgive us if we shoot something like a waterfall or streaming lights (both beautiful subjects in my opinion). It's exciting to those of us who have never tried something like that (hence the title of this website "dp CHALLENGE"). We all have to start somewhere!
 07/25/2005 12:24:17 PM · #39
If you're at a loss as to what would qualify, I suggest you check out the examples thread. You be the judge as to what would qualify as a long exposure. It may depend on the effect.

Just my 2 cents.
 07/25/2005 12:36:15 PM · #40
Bottom line will be this:

If you produce and effect that visibly proclaims "I'm a longish exposure" and the picture is otherwise well-composed and rendered, you'll do fine. No matter how long the exposure is, if the effect does not make itself "visible" in a fairly straightforward way you won't score well.

The actual length of the exposure is relative. Consider the following two hypothetical shots, if you will:

For this hypothetical, the goal was motion blur showing speed;

Shot 1: a turtle is shot walking from left to right at 1/4 of a second and at 1 minute. The 1/4 second shot shows no visible blur, the 1 minute shot shows turtle streak, LOL.

Shot 2: A sports car is shot moving from left to right at 1/15 second and at 1 second. The 1/15 exposure shows a nice streak, the 1 second shows a completely undefined, light blur. The first will do better than the second.

IN all four shots, the exposure was "longer than normal"; "normal" is a relative term in this challenge.

Don't be afraid, experiment, have fun.

Robt.

Message edited by author 2005-07-25 12:37:07.
 07/25/2005 12:49:06 PM · #41
For people without manual controls, the Exposure Compensation can be set to a positive value, which will cause the shutter to remain open for longer than the camera's metering system would normally ask for.

A longer-than-normal exposure should result in high-key/over-exposure, motion blur, or some combination.

Remember that the challenge is for "longer"--not necessarily a "long" or time-exposure.
 07/25/2005 12:57:25 PM · #42
I´m really excited with this challenge. It´s a good opportunity to know if I´m improving my photography techniques, so I´ll work hardly to get a good pic.

I´m gonna try to do something different, not a night shot. I need to do some new experience with my pics, so that´s the best chance to do it.

Message edited by author 2005-07-25 12:58:22.
 07/25/2005 02:41:41 PM · #43
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
Originally posted by Titia:
And like TooCool, I'm getting pretty fed up with all those predictions too, putting thoughts in voter's minds and condemning the entries before the voting has even started.


I tend to agree as well. No one likes a smart-ass. This kind of thread just dicourages people from trying things out since it berates some types of photos or photo styles. It's almost like walking into a darkened movie theatre and yelling at the top of your lungs "GEEZ, I LOVED THAT SCENE WHERE ! THAT'S WHY I'M HERE TO SEE THE MOVIE AGAIN! BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!"

You're not helping anyone by doing this.


It works with me. I haven't really entered in awhile :(
 07/25/2005 03:02:05 PM · #44
If you take the challenge in literal, photography, technical terms then there are certain criteria a photo must meet to be called a "Long Exposure".
//www.danheller.com/tech-longexp.html

That being said, I think it is safe to say the majority of DPC'ers do not own cameras which have BULB mode, or > 30sec exposures.



So maybe the challenge description could be ammended to state "A photo presenting the effect of time passing"

Just a suggestion...
Good luck with your ideas everyone. This should be a cool challenge.
 07/29/2005 06:42:01 PM · #45
Originally posted by bear_music:
Bottom line will be this:

If you produce and effect that visibly proclaims "I'm a longish exposure" and the picture is otherwise well-composed and rendered, you'll do fine. No matter how long the exposure is, if the effect does not make itself "visible" in a fairly straightforward way you won't score well.

The actual length of the exposure is relative. Consider the following two hypothetical shots, if you will:

For this hypothetical, the goal was motion blur showing speed;

Shot 1: a turtle is shot walking from left to right at 1/4 of a second and at 1 minute. The 1/4 second shot shows no visible blur, the 1 minute shot shows turtle streak, LOL.

Shot 2: A sports car is shot moving from left to right at 1/15 second and at 1 second. The 1/15 exposure shows a nice streak, the 1 second shows a completely undefined, light blur. The first will do better than the second.

IN all four shots, the exposure was "longer than normal"; "normal" is a relative term in this challenge.

Don't be afraid, experiment, have fun.

Robt.


Hear Hear

Thanks for pointing out the facts that matter.
 07/29/2005 07:06:23 PM · #46
Well...interesting read. I just submitted my shot. The exposure was long - about 58 seconds, but doesn't fit any of the criteria that has been discussed here. But the shot would not have been possible without the long exposure time.

Message edited by author 2005-07-29 19:06:54.
 07/29/2005 07:19:29 PM · #47
I think 'normal' practice with still photography is to stop motion. So a photograph which suggests motion blur or the famous 'empty streets' effect would definitiely satisfy the terms of the challenge. It is a little out of the normal to do natural light photography at night. So it seems to me that these shorts of shots would meet the terms of the challenge. The language of the challenge suggests (it does not specify) that we judge the outcome in terms of effects. So a photo that clearly and obviously falls outsid of these bounds - a flash assisted shot of a soccer ball sitting motionless in the corner of a room, for instance - would not deserve to do well.

Those of us without ND filters will just have to either be clever or fake it. Shoot in evening or morning light, for instance. My guess is that if there is some motion blur, the shot would be accepted as clearing the hurdle. I'd like to imagine that not too many viewers/scorers will be thinking in terms of bear_music's case 2.

Try something new. Have fun.
 07/29/2005 07:24:32 PM · #48
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
If you're at a loss as to what would qualify, I suggest you check out the examples thread. You be the judge as to what would qualify as a long exposure. It may depend on the effect.

Just my 2 cents.


According to some of the examples on that site, some show no motion or blur at all (at the bottom) yet are long exposures. So I am not worried at all. I just don't understand why everyone thinks it has to be something you can see as opposed to something you know could only have been taken if the shutter was open longer than normal.

Message edited by author 2005-07-29 19:25:52.
 07/29/2005 07:53:11 PM · #49
TooCool and Titia were right. You are supposed to get your ideas from your own reading of the challenge title and the challenge details. Not from other people's interpretations of said. Even the posters who are attempting to explain, or offer a definition, are tainting the minds of the voters, and submitters. Now that the atmosphere has been so poisoned I'm going to try to re-shoot my entry. I'll probably wind up just sitting this one out.

My prediction: dpc would be a better place if all you pontificaters would just zip it.
 07/29/2005 07:56:50 PM · #50
Originally posted by coolhar:
TooCool and Titia were right. You are supposed to get your ideas from your own reading of the challenge title and the challenge details. Not from other people's interpretations of said. Even the posters who are attempting to explain, or offer a definition, are tainting the minds of the voters, and submitters. Now that the atmosphere has been so poisoned I'm going to try to re-shoot my entry. I'll probably wind up just sitting this one out.

My prediction: dpc would be a better place if all you pontificaters would just zip it.
But what would we read then??!?? :)
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