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07/11/2005 11:07:22 AM · #1 |
I hate to sound like a wet blanket, but what is the site council’s take on the “mentor series”? Do the condone it? Was it done with their authorization / approval? I notice it was started by someone who has only been a member since May (not that there is anything wrong with it).
I’m personally not against it, but I wish that if this is an approved venture that the participants would be given a section under the “learn” heading instead of filling the “recent forum activity” section.
It would also be nice to see the resume or qualifications of someone in the mentoring position in order to judge what weight to give the advice that is given.
This is just my opinion.
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07/11/2005 11:11:15 AM · #2 |
We haven't really discussed this as a group. I know that GeneralE suggested that it be put in the Out and About section but I'm not sure that anyone knew that it was going to be quite so big and span quite so many threads. My personal opinion is that threads that the general public aren't allowed to post to probably shouldn't be available to the general public. This sort of restriction isn't really something we've fostered in the past and it doesn't seem like a good thing to present in the future. It'd also take care of the multitude of threads showing up on the community page.
Anyway, that's just my personal opinion - nothing SC official. I'll bring it up with them now, though. |
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07/11/2005 11:14:39 AM · #3 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
but what is the site council’s take on the “mentor series”? Do the condone it? Was it done with their authorization / approval? |
there's not been any formal discussion about it, but in general it has been accepted as a new means of helping to keep up interest in the site, and there's really no reason to put the kibosh on that.
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
I wish that if this is an approved venture that the participants would be given a section under the “learn” heading instead of filling the “recent forum activity” section. |
d&l are the only ones who are able to modify the structure of the forums. the SC doesn't do any coding for the site. so, for the time being, we've chosen to do it this way. you are welcome to ignore the individual threads if they are running others off the front page. i'm sure the traffic in them will die down soon.
i doubt there will be the ability to hide the entire mentorship forum (if and when one comes up). right now the only forum you can hide is rant. we promise to play nice and keep to our own threads, so if you hide them it won't bother you. ;)
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
It would also be nice to see the resume or qualifications of someone in the mentoring position in order to judge what weight to give the advice that is given. |
i would think that you could look at one's entries and portfolio to judge their qualifications for yourself. if you think you could learn something from that person, join their group. if you don't think you can learn from them, don't join it. there's no reason to have a formal application process -- these aren't "real" classes and no one is paying (or being paid) to do it. |
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07/11/2005 11:15:55 AM · #4 |
I think the idea itself is a good one - it's always good to find new ways of gaining benefit out of a successful learning environment.
I do think the restriction in posting on the threads in question needs to be maintained otherwise the small-group advantage will be lost.
However, I totally agree that it's not fair or helpful to have the resulting threads clutter up the recent activity listing on users' home pages.
Ideally, these threads would be placed in a separate forum. I think there may be some value in enabling non-mentor-groupmembers to access the threads as they may find useful tips and ideas within them. So perhaps it could be set up either in the same way as the Rant forum, where individuals decide in their preferences whether or not to see threads in the recent activity forum OR be set up so that threads don't show in the recent activity forum ever but can be located via the Forums page.
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07/11/2005 11:22:29 AM · #5 |
I think this is a wonderful thing... bringing the forums to what they should be .. helping other photographers....
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07/11/2005 11:25:53 AM · #6 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
It would also be nice to see the resume or qualifications of someone in the mentoring position in order to judge what weight to give the advice that is given.
This is just my opinion. |
Since when do we need a resume to give a comment on what might look better? isnt that what DPC is really all about? the mentors resume is thier portfolio. i am a "student" of the "mentoring program" and i am interested in getting extra help on a certain aspect of photography. i have looked at my mentors portfolios and they are way above my personal level of experience and i will value thier time and input to make my photography skills improve. i will also value the other "students" opinions on making my photos better, just as i would if i got a comment from you.
I could understand you saying this if the mentors were not allowing others to join the groups as they posted. i have kept tabs on all the threads pertaining to the mentorship program and all the threads have addiotional people asking to be included and not a single one has been turned away.
If you do not wish to be a part of the mentorship program you dont have to. the people who have become a part of it wish to become a better photographer in a more generalized aspect. when i feel i have learned all i can from my portrait group i will move on to another and learn all i can there. this program will have nothing but positive results IMHO.
~~Cher~~
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07/11/2005 11:26:15 AM · #7 |
| I agree on the cluttering thing. |
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07/11/2005 11:28:57 AM · #8 |
I'm curious what happens if a non member post to one of the threads? Seeing as I'm a rule following non-trouble-maker type, I didn't want to test it and thought it better to ask.
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07/11/2005 11:30:24 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I'm curious what happens if a non member post to one of the threads? Seeing as I'm a rule following non-trouble-maker type, I didn't want to test it and thought it better to ask. |
Nothing will happen. Only SC can delete posts and this project is a completely non-official one, so the SC will probably not get involved.
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07/11/2005 11:31:12 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by louddog:
I'm curious what happens if a non member post to one of the threads? Seeing as I'm a rule following non-trouble-maker type, I didn't want to test it and thought it better to ask. |
So far, nothing. It will be up to the individual mentors to keep track of this (if they want to).
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07/11/2005 11:32:45 AM · #11 |
Ya know people... its easy.. you can do the same thing i do to the whiney threads... put them on ignore...
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07/11/2005 11:36:38 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by di53:
Ya know people... its easy.. you can do the same thing i do to the whiney threads... put them on ignore... |
Off subject.....what happened to your Rebel XT? |
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07/11/2005 11:38:00 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by di53:
Ya know people... its easy.. you can do the same thing i do to the whiney threads... put them on ignore... |
Part of the problem here is that many people use the "Community" view to view the forums. Ignored threads still appear there for some reason. This is an issue outside of the mentorship threads but definitely exacerbated by the appearance of 15 threads you want to ignore at the same time. |
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07/11/2005 11:44:46 AM · #14 |
Perhaps an easy way to fix this would be for DPC to allow you to change HOW MANY current threads are displayed on your home page? Right now, I think it's hard coded for 10, so I can see how all 10 active mentor threads (there are 10, not 15) would crowd things out a bit. But if an individual could change the number of displayed threads to, say, 15 or 20, it would effectively fix the issue.
Message edited by author 2005-07-11 11:45:18. |
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07/11/2005 11:47:02 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
Perhaps an easy way to fix this would be for DPC to allow you to change HOW MANY current threads are displayed on your home page? Right now, I think it's hard coded for 10, so I can see how all 10 active mentor threads (there are 10, not 15) would crowd things out a bit. But if an individual could change the number of displayed threads to, say, 15 or 20, it would effectively fix the issue. |
It is there already mine has the most recent 20 threads. Max would be 30
Message edited by author 2005-07-11 11:47:36. |
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07/11/2005 11:47:34 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
Perhaps an easy way to fix this would be for DPC to allow you to change HOW MANY current threads are displayed on your home page? Right now, I think it's hard coded for 10, so I can see how all 10 active mentor threads (there are 10, not 15) would crowd things out a bit. But if an individual could change the number of displayed threads to, say, 15 or 20, it would effectively fix the issue. |
You can opt to display up to 30. |
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07/11/2005 12:03:29 PM · #17 |
| How many people can a mentor take as students, and how do people apply for a student position? I didn't see any posting then suddenly there were mentors and students everywhere... |
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07/11/2005 12:03:49 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by smilebig4me1x:
Since when do we need a resume to give a comment on what might look better? isnt that what DPC is really all about? the mentors resume is thier portfolio. |
Smilebig4me1x,
IMHO they (the mentors) are doing more than commenting on what might look better. Yes, they may have excellent portfolios, but that doesn’t necessarily make them any more knowledgeable than the masses in the SPECIALIZED area under their particular mentoring topic.
For example an instructor in landscapes might just have incredible post processing skills that have made up for a mere mediocre talent in actual landscape photography. (I just pulled that out of my hat. I haven’t looked at any of the landscape photographer’s portfolios). I have been to several traditional photography workshops over the years, and there is a reason that vast majority use chromes. It is to see the image capture as what it is, the most important aspect of photography.
I just hate to see bad advice given to people who are eagerly trying to become better photographers. I have seen some great advice given and some terrible advice given in the forums, and just thought the uneducated needed more than a few pretty pictures as proof that they were getting good advice.
Steven
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07/11/2005 12:04:43 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by dragonlady:
How many people can a mentor take as students, and how do people apply for a student position? I didn't see any posting then suddenly there were mentors and students everywhere... |
The number of students is left up to each individual mentor. If there's a group you would like to join just PM the mentor.
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07/11/2005 12:07:25 PM · #20 |
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07/11/2005 12:11:50 PM · #21 |
I see everyones point on it cluttering up the forum threads, but it is more useful information than yet another thread that bashes comments or the like. When I read aboutimages idea I really felt this program would help take this site to the next level, we are all (or at least me) here to learn and what a great way to do it. If the forums become to busy with the post maybe it can be moved to a dedicated leaning forum, but for now we should let it run its course.
John
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07/11/2005 12:14:11 PM · #22 |
to me it's much more useful than the endless "i-just-shot-this-flower-what-do-you-think" threads.
and it's really no different than GTG threads about GTGs on the other side of the world. if it doesn't concern you, ignore it.
i will post something to d&l about hiding ignored threads on the community page. :) |
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07/11/2005 12:15:29 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
I hate to sound like a wet blanket, but what is the site council’s take on the “mentor series”? Do the condone it? Was it done with their authorization / approval? I notice it was started by someone who has only been a member since May (not that there is anything wrong with it).
I’m personally not against it, but I wish that if this is an approved venture that the participants would be given a section under the “learn” heading instead of filling the “recent forum activity” section.
It would also be nice to see the resume or qualifications of someone in the mentoring position in order to judge what weight to give the advice that is given.
This is just my opinion. |
The method for posting has been done as proscribed by a Site Admin. We have a Site Council member as a mentor, so I guess they are aware of our "activity".
I'm really not for the "resume" concept. Every day we allow completely random people vote on our photos and don't even require them to say why they scored the way they did. To require someone to post a "resume" on their qualifications is a bit overdone, when you consider the fact that their "resume" is going to become VERY apparent as they start attempting to teach people.
The point of the mentor concept was to use DPC's great architecture to give DPC'ers a little more focus on what they joined for: learning, growing, improving. Are some of the mentors going to be overwhelmed at the prospect of simply being a mentor? OF COURSE! That's how you learn and grow. Mentorship is an aspect of leadership and it's not something you're born with. You learn it.
Message edited by author 2005-07-11 12:21:30. |
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07/11/2005 12:17:50 PM · #24 |
| This is kind of off-topic, but can I ask why Imagineer's thread "Mentorship - DPC Mentorship threads" was locked? |
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07/11/2005 12:17:58 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by rex:
It is there already mine has the most recent 20 threads. Max would be 30 |
So there is... silly me for not noticing!
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