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07/06/2005 02:29:17 PM · #1 |
Hi. I just picked up a Canon Powershot S2 and I noticed that the camera comes with a My Colours setting. This allows color substitution and in camera selective desats. While the results are a bit mickey mouse, with a bit of playing around, I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to take advantage of these features to make a really good picture that might be unfairly advantaged in a Basic Editing Rules picture.
As I personally shoot in the Basic category and am quite happy with trying to improve the quality of my photos right out of the camera, I would like to know if there is a plan to clarify the definitions of the Basic editing rules?
Those rules follow the same pattern as my personal goals in shooting: modifying the light as it comes into the camera is acceptable. Making changes that affect the whole picture are also ok.
I have not touched the My Colours setting yet because I feel it crosses that line.
I may learn how to use it just so I can one day if playing around, but not really seriously.
PS. I really like the selective desat look. I got really excited about the look of the recent movie release "Sin City". Heads up to anyone else who may have the same tastes.
-keiran |
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07/06/2005 02:32:30 PM · #2 |
| The rules state that anything done from "within the camera" is perfectly legal. Maybe as cameras get fancier features, like the ones you mentioned, they may change this rule! |
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07/06/2005 02:32:55 PM · #3 |
If is in camera is totally legal.
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07/06/2005 02:33:15 PM · #4 |
Anything done in camera is allowed.
edit: too slow
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 14:33:45.
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07/06/2005 02:35:16 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
PS. I really like the selective desat look. I got really excited about the look of the recent movie release "Sin City". Heads up to anyone else who may have the same tastes.
-keiran |
I use it a quite a bit.Here's a basic legal desat tutorial by Konador.
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07/06/2005 02:42:56 PM · #6 |
[quote=eschelar] ... I'm sure it wouldn't be impossible to take advantage of these features to make a really good picture that might be unfairly advantaged in a Basic Editing Rules picture...
I would be surprised if your camera could produce any image that couldn't be duplicated by using almost any camera and photoshop using the basic editing rules. The basic editing rules do allow for selective desat.
I could be wrong, though.
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07/06/2005 03:03:55 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by eschelar:
I have not touched the My Colours setting yet because I feel it crosses that line.
I may learn how to use it just so I can one day if playing around, but not really seriously.
PS. I really like the selective desat look. I got really excited about the look of the recent movie release "Sin City". Heads up to anyone else who may have the same tastes. |
If you really like the selective desaturation, I encourage you to play with your camera and see what it can do. I've never used it, but if the possibility of doing something in camera like that arose, I would certainly play with it a little bit to see the results.
Not all of your pictures need to be taken with DPC in mind ;)
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07/06/2005 03:11:54 PM · #8 |
Basic editing rules, basically, say that anything you change has to be done to the entire image, with no selections being made. Within that context, all sorts of saturation and desaturation are possible, as are sharpening and softening and many other things. I'd be astonished if anything this camera can do involves "selecting" a portion of the image, and so by extension I'm quite sure that the same effect can be had legally in an image editor.
Conclusion: the camera does not confer an unfair advantage upon its user.
Robt.
Message edited by author 2005-07-06 15:12:26.
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07/06/2005 03:17:55 PM · #9 |
To address directly the larger issue brought up by the OP, yes, some of these in-camera features (not limited to Canon, BTW) can yield results that would be impossible to achieve in post-processing using basic rules. This phenomenon is not new, however, since some of thees effects, e.g. "solarize" have been present on quite a few cams for some time. I guess the bottom line is that they have not been a problem to date. If they become a problem, then we'll need to come to a consensus on what to do about them. We'd need to think very carefully before putting any limits on what can be done in-camera, since such limits would be incredibly difficult to compose and nearly impossible to administrate.
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07/06/2005 03:21:21 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
To address directly the larger issue brought up by the OP, yes, some of these in-camera features (not limited to Canon, BTW) can yield results that would be impossible to achieve in post-processing using basic rules. This phenomenon is not new, however, since some of thees effects, e.g. "solarize" have been present on quite a few cams for some time. I guess the bottom line is that they have not been a problem to date. If they become a problem, then we'll need to come to a consensus on what to do about them. We'd need to think very carefully before putting any limits on what can be done in-camera, since such limits would be incredibly difficult to compose and nearly impossible to administrate. |
I can legally "solarize" under basic rules. It's basically just a curve inversion... No selection, no layers involved.
Robt.
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07/06/2005 03:43:06 PM · #11 |
i entered this shot for "The Past" challenge, which had a special ruleset for NO post-processing:
the sepia was an in-camera setting on my dimage 7i. i got dinged in the forums for it because it was a "no PP" challenge, but i did do it in-camera and it was quite legal. |
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07/10/2005 10:28:40 AM · #12 |
Thank you for your careful responses. I made this post actually as a move to address a question before it became an issue.
I understand that the primary restriction in basic editing lies with layers which affect the whole picture (allowed) and other effects which effect only parts of the picture. I understand that desat affects the whole picture, but a SELECTIVE desat is intended to affect only portions of the picture. The difference appears to be academic as it is not done to specific locations within the picture, but to specific areas in the colour spectrum. This would mean that it is not directly affecting the pixels.
It would be good from my perspective to have a clear idea of the rules before others get into situations like the lamentable ruckus that occured in the recent Leading Lines challenge.
Thank you.
Truthfully, my knowledge of photoshop is poor and my ability with a camera is such that I haven't even been able to get anything worthy of posting yet. Soon... Soon...
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