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07/01/2005 08:41:07 PM · #1 |
Some know that I am a member of the same tribe as Black Elk, a great holyman of my tribe, of all people.
Black Elk speaks:
You have noticed that everything an indian does is in a circle, and that is because the power of the world always works in circles, and everything tries to be round...
The sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, it's greatest power, it whirls.
Birds make their nests in circles for theirs is the same religian as ours...
Even the seasons form a great circle in theri changing, and always back again to where they were.
The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.
Black Elk
(1863-1950)
Oglala Sioux holy man
Message edited by author 2005-07-01 20:42:26.
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07/01/2005 08:51:31 PM · #2 |
Thanks S-J,
Black Elk's words remind me of the Harry Chapin song, "All my life's a circle. . . sunrise and sundowns." Thanks for sharing that. |
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07/01/2005 08:53:01 PM · #3 |
Very nice thoughts.
I like Pow-Wows, Indian music and Indian History.
The Order of the Arrow holds Pow-Wows and tries to use authentic looking regalia. The stories and history is very interesting, just not enough of it around. |
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07/01/2005 08:55:35 PM · #4 |
Great words.
So is "swinging johnson" your tribal name? ;-) I had to...sorry. :-D |
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07/01/2005 08:59:02 PM · #5 |
I read (in a historical novel), that when the first European settlers came to the Americas, many Indians were shocked at their "squareness" - square houses, streets, windows, etc. Some wondered if the settlers' "great power" was derived from this "squareness".
Since reading that, I've always wondered if it was based in fact or was purely the author's conjecture.
Message edited by author 2005-07-01 20:59:32. |
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07/01/2005 09:29:52 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by aboutimage:
I read (in a historical novel), that when the first European settlers came to the Americas, many Indians were shocked at their "squareness" - square houses, streets, windows, etc. Some wondered if the settlers' "great power" was derived from this "squareness".
Since reading that, I've always wondered if it was based in fact or was purely the author's conjecture. |
It's a fact. I can't quote source material, but I remember seeing references to this in interviews of the period. To the Indians/Native Americans, our rectilinear sensibilities were utterly alien.
Robt.
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07/01/2005 11:51:49 PM · #7 |
A powerfull image of Celitc lore is Ourobous, symbol of destruction and renwal. An ancient and very circular "western" motif, which even perdates the current tatoo frenzy. The name ouroboros (or, in Latinized form, uroborus) is Greek and means "tail-devourer".
The serpent or dragon eating its own tail has survived from antiquity and can be traced back to Ancient Egypt, circa 1600 B.C.E. From there it passed to Phoenicia and then to the Greek philosophers, who gave it the name Ouroboros ("the tail-devourer").
In Norse mythology it appears as the serpent Jormungand, one of the 3 children of Loki, who grew so large that it could encircle the world and grasp its tail in its teeth. It is also present in Hindu mythology, as the dragon circling the tortoise which supports the four elephants that carry the world. The serpent or dragon also appears in Aztec, Chinese, and Native American mythology.
Christians adopted the Ouroboros as a symbol of the limited confines of this world (that there is an "outside" being implied by the demarcation of an inside), and the self-consuming transitory nature of a mere this-worldly existence (following in the footsteps of the Preacher in Ecclesiastes).
It could very well be used to symbolize the closed-system model of the universe of some physicists even today.
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07/02/2005 12:19:09 AM · #8 |
The Celtics, now theres a curious bunch. Cool stuff.
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07/02/2005 12:21:32 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
The Celtics, now theres a curious bunch. Cool stuff. |
Tose are the Celts, not the Celtics, you ignoramus :-) The celtics are a basketball team. jejeje™
R.
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07/02/2005 12:25:17 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
The Celtics, now theres a curious bunch. Cool stuff. |
Tose are the Celts, not the Celtics, you ignoramus :-) The celtics are a basketball team. jejeje™
R. |
I was wondering how long someone would notice.
It a trick to see if anyone is out there.
OR I may be trying to convince you that I am not dumb, and I did misspell the word, and now I am just trying to cover my ass.
You'll never know.
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07/02/2005 12:31:13 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by drydoc:
Thanks S-J,
Black Elk's words remind me of the Harry Chapin song, "All my life's a circle. . . sunrise and sundowns." Thanks for sharing that. |
I like Harry Chapin. |
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07/02/2005 12:42:41 AM · #12 |
Celtic [the basketball team ] - seel-tic
Celtic [the adjective ] - kell-tic
Celt - kelt
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Is iomaí cor sa tsaol
I keep wondering if the "Celtics" and the "Fighting Irish" are going to be the last racial slurs going in American sport. |
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07/02/2005 03:24:22 AM · #13 |
| no wonder my car has circle headlights |
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07/02/2005 09:20:01 AM · #14 |
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07/02/2005 09:30:16 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by BrennanOB:
Celtic [the basketball team ] - seel-tic |
Wouldn't the correct mispronunciation be sell-tic?
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07/02/2005 09:50:56 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by xtabintun:
Originally posted by drydoc:
Thanks S-J,
Black Elk's words remind me of the Harry Chapin song, "All my life's a circle. . . sunrise and sundowns." Thanks for sharing that. |
I like Harry Chapin. |
Me too.
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07/02/2005 10:54:36 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by swinging_johnson_v1:
Some know that I am a member of the same tribe as Black Elk, a great holyman of my tribe, of all people.
Black Elk speaks:
You have noticed that everything an indian does is in a circle, and that is because the power of the world always works in circles, and everything tries to be round...
The sky is round, and I have heard that the earth is round like a ball, it's greatest power, it whirls.
Birds make their nests in circles for theirs is the same religian as ours...
Even the seasons form a great circle in theri changing, and always back again to where they were.
The life of a man is a circle from childhood to childhood, and so it is in everything where power moves.
Black Elk
(1863-1950)
Oglala Sioux holy man
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My mother told me once that we were descendents of the Oglala .... we're also basque....a 'lot' of fench jumping in my family tree :)
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