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06/23/2005 10:07:59 PM · #26 |
I make a serious attempt to vote every image. I vote the full range on the first pass through. When I am done, the "last page" has the images sorted by my vote. If time allows, I'll then go through the thumbs and select some of images to look at again.
I've found that if I click on the "Leave Comment" icon, then the image comes up full size, and I can then leave a comment or cancel. this always brings me back to the previous "last Page" exactly where I was in the list, that is, my browser doesn't appear to reload (re-download?).
Alternatively, you can set your browser to open the link in a new window to look at the image, that way your previous window stays where it was. Additionally, you could "Right click" on the thumb and select "open in new window" assuming, of course, that you're using Windows OS. |
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06/23/2005 10:13:11 PM · #27 |
hmmm you seem to put a lot of thought into your voting...which is a good thing since many don't. personally, when i vote, i make an honest effort but i always have this constant reminder in the back of my head telling me that my vote is just going to get watered down by the multitudes of people who just vote 4's and down to promote their own ranking.... so that's kind of discouraging, but i thought i might as well share.
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06/23/2005 10:19:20 PM · #28 |
I second the original motion. I always vote in multiple passes and would really like to be able to go through the full size images on subsequent passes by just hitting the number and going to the next image.
Some people may vote on their first impression and that's fine, but you're not alone in wanting to view them multiple times.
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06/23/2005 10:20:26 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
I hardly make this site hard to visit for any reason other than I suck as a photographer. |
lol at least you admit it.
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06/23/2005 10:22:36 PM · #30 |
although often times i do go back and usually vote up because i feel that raising someone's score is better than lowering it.
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06/23/2005 10:23:13 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by art-inept:
hmmm you seem to put a lot of thought into your voting...which is a good thing since many don't. personally, when i vote, i make an honest effort but i always have this constant reminder in the back of my head telling me that my vote is just going to get watered down by the multitudes of people who just vote 4's and down to promote their own ranking.... so that's kind of discouraging, but i thought i might as well share. |
I do like voting and try hard to identify the best pictures in a given challenge, but this does not mean that I give more highscore, my average voting is below 5, this means that looking at pictures more than once does not mean higher scores. There is many highly talented persons on this site and I enjoy loking at everybody's work and their own way of feeling a challenge. |
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06/23/2005 10:34:43 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by Alain_cdn:
Originally posted by art-inept:
hmmm you seem to put a lot of thought into your voting...which is a good thing since many don't. personally, when i vote, i make an honest effort but i always have this constant reminder in the back of my head telling me that my vote is just going to get watered down by the multitudes of people who just vote 4's and down to promote their own ranking.... so that's kind of discouraging, but i thought i might as well share. |
I do like voting and try hard to identify the best pictures in a given challenge, but this does not mean that I give more highscore, my average voting is below 5, this means that looking at pictures more than once does not mean higher scores. There is many highly talented persons on this site and I enjoy loking at everybody's work and their own way of feeling a challenge. |
well i mean that a lot of people don't put nearly as much thought into voting as you or i do, so i feel that in all the 300 some odd votes each picture gets, getting 2 or 3 points different than what the picture actually gets doesn't really change their final score at all.
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06/23/2005 10:36:43 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by queanbeez:
heres a tip. vote once, than you dont have too sort or start a thread about it.
Originally posted by Alain_cdn:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
sounds like you have alot of time to waste. |
WOW, what an answer. thanks for the tip. |
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LOL dpc flame war! jerry! jerry! go alain!
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06/23/2005 11:01:01 PM · #34 |
A fascinating thread and one that we can all benfit from.
There are many voting styles and we adapt according to our temperement and the time we make for the purpose. With me, it is almost a religious experience because each vote, small as it may seem is crucial to the end result.
Yes, it is true, some folks wade only once and never return. Others classified and then do a bubble sort to have the main contending images rise above. I am in the latter. Some vote in one pass and others timemeal. Never be discouraged that your consciencious vote may be erased by a thoughtless voter. Think of the wider damage if you did not at least neutralize. The entire scheme is best understood in its inherents statistics and the end result does allow the best images to bubble to the top 98.5% of the time.
The interesting thing is that if you are really interested in expending some time, you will find that your voting style, no matter the method, will go through a refinement.
But really, no point is gain by comparing one method with another. Voters that move fast usually capture the winners but miss a lot of the lesser images and their proper placing. Of course, when the number is overwhelming something always falls by the wayside. |
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06/23/2005 11:01:09 PM · #35 |
When I first started voting, I did kinda breeze through real fast. I look closer now. what that has done is make me vote 20-30 images and then leave for a bit. Eventually I make it through the whole challenge. I like to go back and see what I voted and I like the idea of being able to look at all the 7s or 6s (whatever I scored) Since I vote in blocks at different times in different moods through the week, going back to review is a good thing for me. I like to see if maybe there are images that are more "worthy" than I originally thought because maybe I wasn't feeling very positive the first time I voted.
Everyone is different, with different thought processes and each finds thier own patterns for success. To those that DO choose to spend quality time with an image or double check your score 'cause you like to....thanks!
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06/23/2005 11:01:39 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by art-inept:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
heres a tip. vote once, than you dont have too sort or start a thread about it.
Originally posted by Alain_cdn:
Originally posted by queanbeez:
sounds like you have alot of time to waste. |
WOW, what an answer. thanks for the tip. |
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LOL dpc flame war! jerry! jerry! go alain! |
LOL. I was surprise by those first answers, but I also did think it was funny in a way. |
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06/23/2005 11:13:29 PM · #37 |
As a newbie, who only changed her style once and then immediately changed it back again, I have to say that it statistically it really doesn't matter how you vote, just that you are comfortable doing so. I also go through every photo once, without voting, and then vote on thumbnails. (Not really, I try to go through & vote again, but sometimes I have to resort to thumbnails to decide where to start).
It's very personal. I personally want to see everyone's photo before I begin voting, and then decide what it is I really like. Once I start voting, the pics I'm unsure of keep repeating themselves, which isn't a bad thing. It makes sure that I see those I question several times before I cast.
Just to repeat, because it's late for me, I don't think any voting method is good or bad. If you're consistent, then it's fair to every image. If you vote a majority of the images, and you comment on the ones you think could improve with a specific comment, then you're being fair.
In the end, what I've learned from this site has been from a) seeing truly amazing photos that I love to look at, and b) getting specific comments that show me how to improve. |
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06/23/2005 11:41:01 PM · #38 |
alain, I think your english is better than a lot of those here that are native to it. I wish foreign language was as important here in America as it is in most other areas of the world.
I definately classify my votes. It is imperitive especially on a 500+ entry. I vote on my first impression. Sometimes it is 5 seconds, other times it is 5 minutes. I comment as much as possible on the first round as well. I then go to look at how I classified them and compare all in that category. I make adjustments as I see fit and comment where needed as well. Sometimes I do not vote on all pics, but that is simply because I have a family, job, church, life that is more important than this internet site (hard to believe, I know). Anyway, keep voting any way you see fit and thanks for sharing.
Sarcasm is very hard to portray in text, even when everybody speaks the same language. Compound that confusion by throwing in the international flavor of this site, and you have the potential for hurt feelings and miscommunication. Something we all need to keep in mind. |
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06/23/2005 11:54:14 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by papa:
alain, I think your english is better than a lot of those here that are native to it. I wish foreign language was as important here in America as it is in most other areas of the world.
I definately classify my votes. It is imperitive especially on a 500+ entry. I vote on my first impression. Sometimes it is 5 seconds, other times it is 5 minutes. I comment as much as possible on the first round as well. I then go to look at how I classified them and compare all in that category. I make adjustments as I see fit and comment where needed as well. Sometimes I do not vote on all pics, but that is simply because I have a family, job, church, life that is more important than this internet site (hard to believe, I know). Anyway, keep voting any way you see fit and thanks for sharing.
Sarcasm is very hard to portray in text, even when everybody speaks the same language. Compound that confusion by throwing in the international flavor of this site, and you have the potential for hurt feelings and miscommunication. Something we all need to keep in mind. |
Paul,
My mother tongue is french (French Canadian in Quebec). Thanks for your post. At the beginning of this tread, i did think that I made a mistake posting it but your reply and many others proved me wrong. After all, it was just a suggestion to try to improve this wonderfull site.
Alain |
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06/24/2005 12:04:25 AM · #40 |
Alain, I am so happy that you posted this thread.
It is wonderful to get a glimpse into the various methods of voting that go on, and to see that I am rating the photos I vote on with a scale similar to what others use.
I am a multiple passer as well, and I vote on every photo in the challenge. I comment on photos that make me want to say something, and I hope that my comments are taken in the spirit in which they are given...as honest feedback from my reaction to their photo. I know I want feedback from people on my pix, and from reading some of these threads, I'm not the only one. So my first pass is to score by gut reaction and provide comments that come upon initial viewing. My second pass is to do a reality check and adjust votes/add comments as feels appropriate.
I learn so much from all of the photos in a given challenge, and if I'm going to look at them, I'm going to do my best to vote on them. And boy do I agree with those who have requested an easier way to roll through photos once you've voted on them all! I'm not sure if my second pass comments actually make it or not with the navigation issues...
Thanks again, Alain, for stimulating such a great and informative discussion!
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06/24/2005 12:05:52 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
I hardly make this site hard to visit for any reason other than I suck as a photographer. |
lol at least you admit it. |
A really cheap comeback and only demonstrates your shallowness.
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06/24/2005 12:19:53 AM · #42 |
i just read the beginning few posts. *EDIT NAME CALLING*
i like the idea of sorting by scores.
Message edited by hbunch7187 - Please refrain from Name Calling. |
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06/24/2005 01:02:29 AM · #43 |
I just want to thanks everybody for all the replies. The way the tread started, I did think I made a mistake. I still think that my suggestion would be a nice feature to add to this site.
A special thanks to Alienyst, Chris, all those comments on my pics were really appreciated. I'll respond to them after my vacation.
See you all in two weeks.
Alain |
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06/24/2005 01:27:39 AM · #44 |
Hmmm - another "how I vote" thread and the ensuing "how you are wrong in voting that way" replies.
Here is my canned response: "Vote any way you want to - be a troll or an anti-troll, go with your gut, or tear into the technicals, apply your religious or political bias, or judge it on it's artistic merit, be a self-esteem builder and disregard the first 4 digits on the voting scale, give everything in black and white a 9 or 10 and all color less than 5..."
IMO, there is a huge difference between voting and "judging" - most of us are not qualified to judge, but we all have unique and equally valid opinions.
I'm not knocking the posting of the thread - it's good to share methods and ideas, but I get irked with the expressed disdain for doing things any other way than "my way".
Take that for what it's worth and have fun. :)
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06/24/2005 01:35:22 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
Hmmm - another "how I vote" thread and the ensuing "how you are wrong in voting that way" replies.
Here is my canned response: "Vote any way you want to - be a troll or an anti-troll, go with your gut, or tear into the technicals, apply your religious or political bias, or judge it on it's artistic merit, be a self-esteem builder and disregard the first 4 digits on the voting scale, give everything in black and white a 9 or 10 and all color less than 5..."
IMO, there is a huge difference between voting and "judging" - most of us are not qualified to judge, but we all have unique and equally valid opinions.
I'm not knocking the posting of the thread - it's good to share methods and ideas, but I get irked with the expressed disdain for doing things any other way than "my way".
Take that for what it's worth and have fun. :) |
Ken
If you read the tread from the beginning, you will find that it is not not about "how I vote" but a suggestion to improve the way "how I vote"
Similar, but also diferent. |
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06/24/2005 02:01:17 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Alain_cdn:
Ken
If you read the tread from the beginning, you will find that it is not not about "how I vote" but a suggestion to improve the way "how I vote"
Similar, but also diferent. |
I did and I know. I was mainly referring to what it became rather than what it was intended to be. :) |
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06/24/2005 02:13:08 AM · #47 |
i can't believe how many people have belittled Alains voting technique - just because it isn't how you vote doesn't mean there is something wrong with it.
I vote the a very similar way - and it is what works for me. When i vote in one scan, i get annoyed and i start voting unfairly on some pictures - take the light on white challenge - i did it in one go and i gave one of the polar bears in the snow pictures a 3 and the other a 1 - how unfair was that? Doing it in 2 or 3 passes is what works for me.
It's different strokes for different folks - dont jump down another mans throat for voting techinique - he probably tfeels the same way for how you vote.
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06/24/2005 05:59:21 AM · #48 |
I'm 100% behind voting as Alan does, by sorting and refining. It's something I've done for quite a while now, and I've proven to my satisfaction that it's the "fairest" way for me to vote all the images in a challenge in a reasonable period of time. I'm basically sorting into two categories on first pass: images I want to look at again, and images that seem to have given me all they are capable of giving on first pass. The first group is LARGE, easily 35-50% of the entries.
I can do the sort very rapidly, and the first group is sufficiently inclusive that I feel I'm not ignoring any hidden gems. Now I can spend more time, over a period of days, going back at my leisure and voting more thoughtfully on the images I think belong in the top half of the challenge. My "responses" to these images are also heightened by the fact that I now have an overall sense of how the entrants, as a group, approached this challenge. I may very well be more receptive to any given image after my horizons have been widened, so to speak, by seeing the big picture.
This method only works well for those with a high-speed connection, though. I understand that many who think the sorting technique is a ridiculous time-waster are probably on dialup connections, so that makes sense from their perspective. However, for those of us with good connections the sorting approach is a real time-saver, IMO. It rationalizes the voting process by proportionally allotting time to those images that have a realistic hope of finishing well. It's rare that any image that winds up in the top 50 or so did not get sorted by me into my "take a second look" group, so I think the system works.
Robt.
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06/24/2005 07:59:12 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
I hardly make this site hard to visit for any reason other than I suck as a photographer. |
lol at least you admit it. |
A really cheap comeback and only demonstrates your shallowness. |
First, I disagree with you, and I'm blamed for bashing people. Then I agree with you, and I'm shallow? I can't win. Maybe we should just grow up.
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06/24/2005 08:39:56 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Maybe we should just grow up. |
or as the Beatles said it well "let it be" ; )
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