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 06/23/2005 03:27:33 PM · #26
Originally posted by scalvert:
Mandy, if your Kodak broke, you would be a voter without a camera. BradP sold his camera a few weeks ago and was in a similar situation. Just because you don't have a camera doesn't mean you don't appreciate and understand photography or haven't participated in a challenge. That said, I can certainly understand the frustration of a no-camera vote. Take a look at the average vote for camera and no-camera for the top two photos in THIS challenge. :-(


It looks to me that there was only 1 no-camera voter in this challenge. They are all round numbers 8.0, 9.0, 10.0, and some of the top finishers were not even voted on. I don't really see a problem with allowing them to vote, but all in all it doesnt seem like it's a big enough population to really worry about anyway.
06/23/2005 03:29:30 PM · #27
I always valued the votes/comments from voters without cameras more than those from folks with cameras. My reasoning for this is that people without cameras might not be biased/influenced so much by things like, "that is a really tough shot to take." Instead, hopefully more influenced by, "that is a really great picture in and of its self."

Tom
06/23/2005 03:39:47 PM · #28
*ahem*

I am a user that is registered as "no camera" because I have a film camera.

I enjoy this site for the tips on photography (which are just as helpful to film photographers as well as digital), and I like putting in my 2 cents for the challenges by voting.

Thanks,
M.L.
 06/23/2005 03:39:48 PM · #29
Originally posted by bfox2:
It looks to me that there was only 1 no-camera voter in this challenge.... it doesnt seem like it's a big enough population to really worry about anyway.


That 1 no-camera voter was the difference between first and second place on the challenge I mentioned (not that camera ownership itself is relevant). That person gave the first place entry an 8, but didn't vote at all on the second place entry- and that was enough to change the results. It illustrates that even a single vote CAN make a difference.
 06/23/2005 03:43:55 PM · #30
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bfox2:
It looks to me that there was only 1 no-camera voter in this challenge.... it doesnt seem like it's a big enough population to really worry about anyway.


That 1 no-camera voter was the difference between first and second place on the challenge I mentioned (not that camera ownership itself is relevant). That person gave the first place entry an 8, but didn't vote at all on the second place entry- and that was enough to change the results. It illustrates that even a single vote CAN make a difference.


Of course, this point is irrelevant in the context of camera/no camera. The votes are all in the same hopper. It's just rare to be able to pinpoint the single vote that made the difference, LOL.

Robt.
 06/23/2005 03:45:20 PM · #31
I don't think it should matter whether someone owns a camera to be able to vote. Just because they dont have an eye for capturing pictures doesnt mean that they cant enjoy photography. I certainly am not the best photographer, but I do have a passion for the art of photography. Also, I know people who own a camera and still do not compete in challenges. I am thinking along the lines of some other people who responded and stated that the voters with no camera may have a not decided to go digital and are still using film.
 06/23/2005 03:45:39 PM · #32
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by bfox2:
It looks to me that there was only 1 no-camera voter in this challenge.... it doesnt seem like it's a big enough population to really worry about anyway.


That 1 no-camera voter was the difference between first and second place on the challenge I mentioned (not that camera ownership itself is relevant). That person gave the first place entry an 8, but didn't vote at all on the second place entry- and that was enough to change the results. It illustrates that even a single vote CAN make a difference.


Ahh I see what you're saying.
 06/23/2005 03:48:49 PM · #33
just couldn't get post right so deleted it. Someone beat me to it anyway.

Message edited by author 2005-06-23 15:49:43.
 06/23/2005 03:54:12 PM · #34
Originally posted by scalvert:
That 1 no-camera voter was the difference between first and second place on the challenge I mentioned (not that camera ownership itself is relevant). That person gave the first place entry an 8, but didn't vote at all on the second place entry- and that was enough to change the results. It illustrates that even a single vote CAN make a difference.


Change the results from what? That makes no sense.
 06/23/2005 04:06:34 PM · #35
Originally posted by papa:
Yea, so shut up!

Just kidding. Seriously.


Man, I did, but everybody else is still going!
 06/23/2005 04:22:08 PM · #36
See what you started? Let this be a lesson to you!

:)
 06/23/2005 04:35:50 PM · #37
Originally posted by papa:
See what you started? Let this be a lesson to you!

:)


lesson learned!
 06/23/2005 04:42:18 PM · #38
Originally posted by mk:
Change the results from what? That makes no sense.


A single voter gave first place an 8, but didn't vote at all on second place. Even though a non-vote doesn't count against you, the additional 8 was enough to move Eddy's average above mine. If he had voted on all entries (or not voted on Eddy's), then the first and second place results might have been reversed. It would have taken an 8, but that person gave mostly 8-10 scores to the top 35 entries he voted on, so it seems likely.

(I'm not complaining, mind you. As BearMusic noted, it's just so unusual when you can point to one vote that made a difference.)
 06/23/2005 04:47:52 PM · #39
Originally posted by karmat:

... Most of the time, there are probably only three or four voters without cameras. Rather than look at the average (which I have seen to be as high as camera-owners, but no one ever starts a thread about that), look at the total curve of scores. ...


hehehe...someone did start a thread about that :-)

(sorry, I just had to be a smarty pants)
:-P
06/23/2005 05:37:11 PM · #40
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by Minutia:
My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.


I have wondered that also and came to this conclusion: They don't own a camera therefore don't take pictures and therefore cannot appreciate a lot of the shots they see since they never tried to do it themselves.


My perspective: Photography is NOT about the difficulty or technical challenge associated with capture of the image. Photography is about communicating with the viewer of the image. Go through a classic life magazine, national geographic, vanity fair, or architectural digest... do you need a camera to appreciate the photography... do you even think about the quality of the photography? I believe when you see great photography it grabs your attention and pulls you in, regardless of your photographic experience.

I also wouldn't tell the art director at a major publication that they couldn't appreciate your photography because they do not own a camera.
 07/01/2005 07:00:34 AM · #41
let me explain something about those no-camera voters.
most of them are accounts made by photographers who have participated in the challenge and who use those extra accounts for a good vote on their pic, and a 1 vote on the others.
thats why most no-camera averages are around 2-3. I agree that there are people who just love photography, but they represend maybe 5% of the no-camera accounts on this site. what do u think?
 07/01/2005 07:31:19 AM · #42
Originally posted by mihaibadic:
let me explain something about those no-camera voters.
most of them are accounts made by photographers who have participated in the challenge and who use those extra accounts for a good vote on their pic, and a 1 vote on the others.
thats why most no-camera averages are around 2-3. I agree that there are people who just love photography, but they represend maybe 5% of the no-camera accounts on this site. what do u think?

Assuming that you have such account, if you vote one photo high and all other photos low, the big brother algorithm D&L have implemented eliminates your votes. So, not a good theory.

07/01/2005 07:36:01 AM · #43
Originally posted by fotolady:
who even votes or is a part of this website that doesn't own a camera? I do not get this at all! Why? Why!


The same reason I go to art museums even though I don't sculpt or paint.

-Terry
 07/01/2005 07:43:31 AM · #44
would also like to point out that just recently we had a post from someone who bought a membership for their parents because they loved to critque the images and try to guess which was their kids picture. They said it brings them lots of joy, increased communication between them and have even got side games going on with it.

I don't think it matters if you have a camera to vote, you just have to have an interest.
 07/01/2005 08:05:19 AM · #45
Originally posted by fotolady:
YOU HIT IT DEAD ON! That is my point! How do they know what is technicaly challenging?


I have read the thread through so I know this issue has already been raised but...

I don't think photos should be judged according to how technically challenging they were to achieve but purely on the finished result.

Is it appealing? Is it well-executed? Is it innovative? Are there technical or compositional issues that take away from it's appeal? How well does it fit the challenge/ convey a relevant idea/ emotion/ belief?

That's what I think we should be considering.

I am a voter with a camera but I vote on what I see not what the photographer may have done to create it...


07/01/2005 08:06:06 AM · #46
I was a voter without a camera for a long time. My stepdad was big into photography when I was growning up and so is my husband. I've always loved it but just never really got into it, other than some family shots and all. Now I'm not working I have time to do extra things, The fantasy challenge came up and I got brave enough to use the Hubby's digital (afraid of breaking it or something-his baby and all). It's hard to say why a voter doesn't have a cam, lots of reasons I'm sure, but you never know what and how much they do know about photography. I'm sure a lot Restraunt critits (sorry can't spell this morning) don't own restraunts, but they know good food when they get it. Just my 2 cents. Gotta go have some coffee now....

Message edited by author 2005-07-01 09:48:26.
 07/01/2005 09:41:34 AM · #47
Originally posted by mihaibadic:
let me explain something about those no-camera voters.
most of them are accounts made by photographers who have participated in the challenge and who use those extra accounts for a good vote on their pic, and a 1 vote on the others.
thats why most no-camera averages are around 2-3. I agree that there are people who just love photography, but they represend maybe 5% of the no-camera accounts on this site. what do u think?


I think I'm interested to hear how you determined all of this information. Especially the 5% bit.
 07/01/2005 09:49:31 AM · #48
Originally posted by fotolady:
Originally posted by Alienyst:
Originally posted by Minutia:
My only question is why they always vote lower on my challenges than the average.


I have wondered that also and came to this conclusion: They don't own a camera therefore don't take pictures and therefore cannot appreciate a lot of the shots they see since they never tried to do it themselves.


YOU HIT IT DEAD ON! That is my point! How do they know what is technicaly challenging?


I do not have a problem with them voting and the reason why is they are the ones that usually buy our photo's.
 07/01/2005 09:54:17 AM · #49
Originally posted by mk:
I think I'm interested to hear how you determined all of this information. Especially the 5% bit.


[No facts- speculation only] ;-)
 07/01/2005 09:55:02 AM · #50
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by mk:
Change the results from what? That makes no sense.


A single voter gave first place an 8, but didn't vote at all on second place. Even though a non-vote doesn't count against you, the additional 8 was enough to move Eddy's average above mine. If he had voted on all entries (or not voted on Eddy's), then the first and second place results might have been reversed. It would have taken an 8, but that person gave mostly 8-10 scores to the top 35 entries he voted on, so it seems likely.

(I'm not complaining, mind you. As BearMusic noted, it's just so unusual when you can point to one vote that made a difference.)


But it is not necessarily that one voter's fault. A camera owner who didm't vote on that pic could have and didn't. So, I say it is his/her fault. Off with their head!! :)
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