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 06/15/2005 05:38:03 AM · #1
This is a dramatic change, I know, and it will be logistically taxing initially, but I think the site could benefit from having a third challenge per week.

The requirements for this challenge would be that entries have to be straight out of camera.

Any thoughts on this plan? Could be fun to try and nail a shot that requires ZERO PP. What do you guys think? I don't feel TOO strongly about this idea, but it would be quite nice to have :)

Alex


06/15/2005 05:45:01 AM · #2
Not a bad idea, chance for some to show off camera skills rather than PP skills.
 06/15/2005 06:09:33 AM · #3
Some people have trouble voting on two challenges per week, I don't know if many would vote on three.
We might have 'no pp' challenges as additional challenges, now and then.
 06/15/2005 06:13:16 AM · #4
1. We have enough stuff to vote on every week as it is.

2. "Straight from the camera" challenge would heavily favour point and shoot cameras since these cameras process the images to a much higher degree than DSLR. Not saying this is a bad thing. Just stating the facts.
 06/15/2005 06:15:35 AM · #5
Originally posted by AlexMonty:
This is a dramatic change, I know, and it will be logistically taxing initially, but I think the site could benefit from having a third challenge per week.

The requirements for this challenge would be that entries have to be straight out of camera.

Any thoughts on this plan? Could be fun to try and nail a shot that requires ZERO PP. What do you guys think? I don't feel TOO strongly about this idea, but it would be quite nice to have :)

Alex


No editing challenge would have my vote!
 06/15/2005 06:19:15 AM · #6
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
1. We have enough stuff to vote on every week as it is.

2. "Straight from the camera" challenge would heavily favour point and shoot cameras since these cameras process the images to a much higher degree than DSLR. Not saying this is a bad thing. Just stating the facts.


Very true, but DSLRs do have many advantages over P&S cameras in any other challenges (i.e. high ISO and burst modes, etc). Would be an interesting "every now and then" challenge.
 06/15/2005 06:30:12 AM · #7
A suggestion would be to have no editing, and restricting the number of entries to, lets say, the first 100? Have 48 hrs to submit, and 48 to vote.
 06/15/2005 06:58:23 AM · #8
I would like to see a no edit challenge. Even just thrown in once and awhile. Someone here has a quote in there sig. I roughly say good camera dont take good pictures. Good photographers do. Sometime people rely too much on the post proccess.
 06/15/2005 07:01:10 AM · #9
Originally posted by tcrock41:
I would like to see a no edit challenge. Even just thrown in once and awhile. Someone here has a quote in there sig. I roughly say good camera dont take good pictures. Good photographers do. Sometime people rely too much on the post proccess.


Well said.
 06/15/2005 08:31:00 AM · #10
I'm all for another no editing challenge - its definately a nice challenge and has some novelty appeal, but I don't see the point in having them weekly - if you have a tool to improve an image why not use it ?
 06/15/2005 11:16:34 AM · #11
Originally posted by samtrundle:
I'm all for another no editing challenge - its definately a nice challenge and has some novelty appeal, but I don't see the point in having them weekly - if you have a tool to improve an image why not use it ?

Couldn't you look at this concept as improving the use of a tool, your camera?
 06/15/2005 11:26:53 AM · #12
I presume that we would still be allowed to resize the image, and recode the data to bring the image within 150kb. If resizing, I presume that we would be able to sharpen the image to compensate for the reduction process. I also presume that colour adjustment could be made, for cameras that are set up for print rather than on-screen display, or DSLRs, which are designed to produce under saturated images.

That is pretty much the Basic Editing rules, isn't it? The only difference would be "no cropping". But then maybe we should allow cropping, especially as it can often be done in camera, and this is the practical effect of say, a digital zoom.

Basic Rules are pretty much a "no editing" zone already.
 06/15/2005 11:28:11 AM · #13
I think that this would be a good idea, it would sort the men from the boys, those that have grown up with film or slide camera that took one shot and knew that it would be perfect when processed rather than taking 20, 30, 40 images and hoping that there is a good one amongst them and then modifying it to get the best out of it..

I am of the latter taking loads of pics and hoping for a good one.

It will take time to get that image on camera that is perfect, right lighting, etc etc etc.

Message edited by author 2005-06-15 11:34:25.
 06/15/2005 12:35:46 PM · #14
i think 3 challenges in a week is too many.... people dont seem to complete voting in the two we currently have...
 06/15/2005 12:52:27 PM · #15
I think having a weekly no editing challenge is unnecessary, maybe the next 48 hour challenge can be a no editing or the next invitational or something like that. It might turn out to be a "whose-camera-can-do-the-most-special-effects" challenge but at least it might make the "post-processing-is-evil" block content for a while.

This is digital photography, most thngs done in photoshop under advanced editing could have been done in a professional dark room. Asking for a no editing challenge is like telling a film photographer he has to get his shots developed at his local pharmacy. Thats just my opinion.
06/15/2005 12:53:36 PM · #16
I completely forgot about the voting issue - yeah it's far more reasonable to have the challenge every now and then as opposed to weekly.

I do, however, disagree with the claim that basic editing is practically no editing. Curves, levels, contrast and saturation are all legal in basic and it would be interesting to have challenges where those things are not allowed - maybe not every week, but every month or two.


06/15/2005 02:20:37 PM · #17
As long as no editing includes no cropping. If your going for a purist idea here, go all the way. The only allowable mods would be rotate and resize.

I think USM should be allowed as most dSLRs are very soft, on purpose.
 06/15/2005 02:32:09 PM · #18
Originally posted by di53:
i think 3 challenges in a week is too many.... people dont seem to complete voting in the two we currently have...


What are you basing that feeling of people not completing voting upon? The only time I can remember people complaining about that is when we have had some really big challenges, like 400+ entries. But I never thought it was very many users, just a vocal few.
 06/29/2005 08:09:40 PM · #19
Originally posted by bandit:
A suggestion would be to have no editing, and restricting the number of entries to, lets say, the first 100? Have 48 hrs to submit, and 48 to vote.


I like this idea.

However I will add;
1.....*only* resizing/reduction allowed (auto to 640 X xxx).
2.....24 hours submit/vote (if you are keen or in the mood for something like this, you will be 'aware' of it, plus it gives a further challenge aspect, plus if you miss it, surely it will drive those who are interested to 'check back' more often for the next 'speed challenge'?)
3.....Only those who have entered may vote? (or those who have not entered?? (nah))

Only those who are engrossed in the challenge will vote, generally that means like-minded folk, so what is the problem?

As someone said, it will bring out the 'photographers eye' - 'first eye' - no 'pp'. The way I see it, if you have a DSLR then you can apply more 'effects' than with a p&s, there are pros and cons of both, but with the time limit/speed required and not too much 'thought' allowed for, I believe it would identify 'raw ability' very well.

Finally, as for how many challenges per week are "too many", it is simple, see how many enter before determining how many is "too many". This is not 'work'.
 06/29/2005 08:20:30 PM · #20
i agree more challenges = better
 06/29/2005 08:30:24 PM · #21
Normally when I see suggestion like this I think to my self this is a beginner !
"sorry did i think out loud !"

Icerock

Originally posted by AlexMonty:
This is a dramatic change, I know, and it will be logistically taxing initially, but I think the site could benefit from having a third challenge per week.

The requirements for this challenge would be that entries have to be straight out of camera.

Any thoughts on this plan? Could be fun to try and nail a shot that requires ZERO PP. What do you guys think? I don't feel TOO strongly about this idea, but it would be quite nice to have :)

Alex
06/29/2005 08:30:28 PM · #22
I'd like to see a third weekly challenge like this, but perhaps with the restriction that you can only enter 2 of the 3 challenges. That will give us more choices to photograph, but keep the number of total images to be voted upon down.
 06/29/2005 08:37:17 PM · #23
Who said you need to enter or vote on all three. This is the first week I have wanted to enter both. Granted I have not been here that long. But, I don't see how more choices is a bad thing. Ok 3 challenges could wear you out if you tried to nail them all every week. I think that if you have time to think about 2. Then you didn't think hard enough on the first one. But, maybe you don't like option 1 or 2, but option 3 is right up you're ally. Hmmm. So I say the more options the better. Everyone can do as much or as little as they want. If you get in over youre head? Well thats youre problem. Or maybe I am just full of crap. You decide.
 06/29/2005 08:58:51 PM · #24
If voting is permitted on the thumbnails you could easily cast votes and only view the images that need a closer look. To help speed up the voting for such a 3rd challenge. Perhaps also allow the selection of your top 10 choices only and not rate the rest. ????
 06/29/2005 09:21:46 PM · #25
I don't really agree with this type of challenge however once in a while for those members that have requested it wouldn't hurt.


I've shot print film with an SLR and there was post processing in the film lab (not by me) so I don't know if I got it right or the lab got it right.

At least with digital I can do some checking with the histogram though the real check comes when it's uploaded to the computer and tweak things as necessary.


For DSLR owners:

For this challenge tweak the in-camera settings and shoot jpeg so all the processing is done ahead of time. Not as much control over the outcome but better than nothing. Don't some DSLRs even have a custom curve option in camera?
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