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06/09/2005 03:02:04 AM · #1
I have to ask you if you think it's fair to disqualify somebody for the date not beeing set in the camer-a if he thoroughly explained why it is so? I find it deeply unfair to be disqualified because of this. My shot gives the impression of breaking the post processing rules. I've been asked to validate and ... you know. The reason? The DATE. I epxplained that my camer-a stops responding quite offten and the only thing to do is to pull out the batteries. Everything resets and voila you have an unset date. I I simply forgott to set it again ( since it happens sooo often ). I thing that a first warning would be more appropriate. I always stay within the rules I explained why this happened and ... nothing. Why isn't there any first warning? Why do they punish so severely people for something that MAY Unintenionally happen quite often. I uderstand if that was my second time or I broke the editing rules. Right now I am simply infuriated at this site. This is the best way to make people go away from this site.
06/09/2005 03:20:58 AM · #2
Ummn, if you didnt disqualify an image based on date, most people will have several hundred to choose from whenever a new challenge is announced.

btw, only an entry was disqualified - your membership wasnt suspended without a warning. Consider the disqualification as the first warning you're asking for.


06/09/2005 03:27:10 AM · #3
Yes, this technically is a first warning. If you are disqualified a second time within 25 challenges you are given a short suspension. If it then happens again, the suspension is longer, etc etc.

Don't be put off though. I myself was disqualified in my third ever challenge and look at me now! Over 150 entries, 5 ribbons, and a Site Council Member. Many of the top photographers on the site have DQs too for accidents.
06/09/2005 03:41:06 AM · #4
That is unfortunate that you were dq'd, but you have to appreciate the importance of the dates here. The whole idea is that it is a weekly challenge, with the picture being conceived and taken within that week. If not for the date, people would have the choice of any pics they have (in some cases, literally thousands) to enter. That would kind of defeat the whole purpose of the challenge.

As far as a warning, everyone gets the same warning, it is in the challenge rules that you have to acknowledge that you have read and understand every time you submit.

"To avoid the possibility of disqualification be sure to check that the date and time on your camera are set correctly before taking any pictures you may use as challenge entries. We will no longer accept this as an excuse. You have been forewarned."

This issue has been discussed many times in the forums if you care to go look and get even further, in depth explanations.

Don't take it so hard, just chalk it up as a lesson learned, it happens to a lot of people.
:-)

Message edited by author 2005-06-09 03:42:56.
06/09/2005 03:43:15 AM · #5
Originally posted by insane:

I have to ask you if you think it's fair to disqualify somebody for the date not beeing set in the camer-a if he thoroughly explained why it is so?

Unfortunately the rules are the rules, and you have to draw the line somewhere. It's a shame, but it is fair.
06/09/2005 03:43:26 AM · #6
Originally posted by insane:

Why do they punish so severely people for something that MAY Unintenionally happen quite often.

Cutting off your shutter finger would be severe ...or sever? It's not a big deal. How many people never got to enter a challenge because they just missed the deadline by one second. Or got DQ'd for one lousy cloned spot? Rules are rules and they are written plainly for the most part. It is unfortunate, but if it is the worst thing that ever happens to you, you are blessed.

Originally posted by insane:

This is the best way to make people go away from this site.

Are you insane?? Ok, that was just a wisecrack about your username. Seriously, though, there are much, much better ways to make people go away. ;) Relax, have fun and get over it. You'll be glad you did.

06/09/2005 03:50:50 AM · #7
I've only been here a short time insane...and it's aged me very quickly:))
I appreciate how upset you are - but in that short time I think I have seen 2? Ribbon winners DQ'd! Imagine getting a ribbon and then being DQ'd!!
I remember one person in particular took it so well; just held up his hand and said..my mistake, nevermind or something like that...

Don't be put off! I offer to leave once a week now...I'm still here...a..d..d..i...c..t..e...d :))

Message edited by author 2005-06-09 03:51:39.
06/09/2005 08:05:53 AM · #8
Originally posted by insane:

The DATE. I epxplained that my camer-a stops responding quite offten and the only thing to do is to pull out the batteries. Everything resets and voila you have an unset date. I I simply forgott to set it again ( since it happens sooo often ). I thing that a first warning would be more appropriate. I always stay within the rules I explained why this happened and ...

Have you thought about getting the camera fixed? It may be something as simple as replacing it's internal battery.
06/09/2005 08:12:19 AM · #9
Originally posted by insane:

I have to ask you if you think it's fair to disqualify somebody for the date not beeing set in the camer-a if he thoroughly explained why it is so? I find it deeply unfair to be disqualified because of this. My shot gives the impression of breaking the post processing rules. I've been asked to validate and ... you know. The reason? The DATE. I epxplained that my camer-a stops responding quite offten and the only thing to do is to pull out the batteries. Everything resets and voila you have an unset date. I I simply forgott to set it again ( since it happens sooo often ). I thing that a first warning would be more appropriate. I always stay within the rules I explained why this happened and ... nothing. Why isn't there any first warning? Why do they punish so severely people for something that MAY Unintenionally happen quite often. I uderstand if that was my second time or I broke the editing rules. Right now I am simply infuriated at this site. This is the best way to make people go away from this site.


Its fair and your not the first or last person thats gonna be ticked off about it.
06/09/2005 08:18:05 AM · #10
Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by insane:

The DATE. I epxplained that my camer-a stops responding quite offten and the only thing to do is to pull out the batteries. Everything resets and voila you have an unset date. I I simply forgott to set it again ( since it happens sooo often ). I thing that a first warning would be more appropriate. I always stay within the rules I explained why this happened and ...

Have you thought about getting the camera fixed? It may be something as simple as replacing it's internal battery.


I have to agree with the sentiment of getting your camera gear in working order. To put a finer point on it, how would you respond if someone wrote:

I have to ask you if you think it's fair to vote down somebody for the focus being off in the camer-a if he thoroughly explained why it is so? I find it deeply unfair to be voted down because of this. ... The reason? The FOCUS. I epxplained that my camer-a stops responding quite offten and the only thing to do is to pull out the batteries. Everything resets and voila everything's in focus again. I I simply forgott to focus again ( since it happens sooo often ). I thing that a and extra point or two would be more appropriate.

Message edited by author 2005-06-09 08:18:40.
06/09/2005 10:32:28 AM · #11
We do think it's quite fair, yes. (And apparently so do the 500+ people who participate in challenges each week.) When you uploaded your photo, you checked off a box that said you read the rules. As taterbug pointed out, part of those rules include a warning about checking the date on your camera. Removing a photo that doesn't comply with these rules seems more fair to me than letting it slide and doesn't strike me as very harsh. You aren't prohibited from entering the next challenge, your photo just isn't left to sit in comparison with the remaining photos which do fit within the rules.

It does happen fairly frequently and it's quite unfortunate when photos are disqualified for nearly any reason but the best thing to do it just use it as a learning experience and remember to check next time.
06/09/2005 11:04:06 AM · #12
Sorry, I feel for you and all but... YES. I do think it's utterly fair.

The very basis of this site is weekly challenges with consistently applied rules that are clearly spelled out.

It sucks when one accidentally breaks them but... it's not a fair onus to put onto the Site Council (who are unpaid volunteers) to have to not only work out if someone has broken the rules but also apply a subjective judgement to each case based on whether they think that person deliberately cheated or made a mistake.
06/09/2005 11:43:35 AM · #13
Also it's only a virtual ribbon.. the site is a medium to learn and don't fret like you lost a million dollar bid.

Still post your picture somewhere else and start a thread I am sure we would be glad to vote on it and you can finally compare your ratings with the challenge entries.

everyone happy now...? :-)

PS: Don't forget to set the date of your camera next time.. Good luck!!

06/12/2005 04:17:51 AM · #14
yeah I guess you folks are right. It's just that it was so silly :) That's what's biting me. you're talking to me as if I want to hang myslef :) Come on I will go on ofcoursze, it's just the silliness(mine). It's just that I have enough of this in my country(government bla bla bla ) :)

Thanks for the replys :) I will always check my date now I will always check my date now I will always... :)

You're right it's fair just... striking :)

Someobdy wrote : have fun - I always have otherwise I wouldn't be interested in photography :)

Cheers :)
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