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05/23/2005 12:24:18 PM · #1 |
Hi. I just noticed this new camera on Canon.com... I was budgeting for an A95 with some macro lenses. I think I just got converted.
I would love to see if I could find an actual review of this camera anywhere. I looked on google and couldn't find anything, just press releases.
Things I'd like to know is how does the lens perform with chromatic aberration on the SUPER MACRO mode at say.... 0.1cm from the lens.... I was a little concerned by their sample image at web.canon.jp/Imaginge/pss2is/spl/pss2is_sample1-e.html in the lower left hand corner.
I would also like to see it's performance in some contrasty max telephoto shots.
I would imagine that this would be acceptable, indeed an improvement compared to an A95 with a Raynox MSN-500 adaptor.
I also want to know about noise compared to the A95 and what the actual start-up time is.. None of this 50% faster than... blah blah.
Nice camera though. The macro potential is staggering. The IS USM, UD multi-coated lens is more than exciting considering it's only a hundred bucks more than the A95...
Heh... For those of you who have felt that the guys at canon aren't really photographers, look at their samples. Some of them are quite telling....
Please PM me if there is any really useful information. I was about to buy a camera this week. Opting out of the DSLR market so I could get a PDA with VGA as well for the same price and have a 3.6 inch 222dpi screen in my pocket.... |
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05/23/2005 12:36:46 PM · #2 |
It won't available for a week or two yet, there are no reviews yet that I can find.
Check out the reviews for the S1. The S2 is the same camera but they fixed most of the complaints.
I'll be getting one as soon as I can see some more sample images.
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05/23/2005 12:52:24 PM · #3 |
| I have the Powershot S1 IS on my 'wish list'. Something to keep in the car or in my purse. I usually have my SLR but I wanted something with me when I don't have it....they look like a good little camera to me! |
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05/23/2005 12:52:55 PM · #4 |
| The S2 looks VERY interesting, but no reviews yet. |
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05/23/2005 12:59:14 PM · #5 |
My complaint with the S2 is the memory. If it used a CF card it would have been perfect.
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05/23/2005 01:20:52 PM · #6 |
Although CF cards are more popular, if you are not using a micro drive, the SD card is better.
In order to run the micro drive, power must be sent to the card. The power is sent and used if you have a micro drive card in there or not. Thus, cameras using the CF card eat more battery time.
When I first heard they made the S2 with SD I was mad, but having better battery life might be worth it. Besides, memory card are getting pretty cheap.
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05/23/2005 01:31:57 PM · #7 |
Not when you already have 1-1gb, 1-512mb, 1-256mb. Already invested too much to get the S2. I am now saving for a 20D. Hopefully in October.
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05/23/2005 01:45:50 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by rex:
Not when you already have 1-1gb, 1-512mb, 1-256mb. Already invested too much to get the S2. I am now saving for a 20D. Hopefully in October. |
True, but I read a thing (can't remember where) that said Canon was going for the best possible camera and not the most convienent upgrade from the S1, thus the change to SD. Sucks to have to get all new memory, but better is better.
It works out okay for me because my wife want's my big CF cards and the smaller ones I'll sell with the camera.
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05/23/2005 02:30:24 PM · #9 |
In order to run the micro drive, power must be sent to the card. The power is sent and used if you have a micro drive card in there or not. Thus, cameras using the CF card eat more battery time.
[[[Sounds like 100% mis-information. The compact flash cards came out before the micro-drives. And they need and draw their power from the unit. SD cards also require power. Thought they are newer and draw less power.
I know CF have memory controllers on them, and smartmedia did not - so CF were fasther than smartmedia. I do not know if SD memory does or not.]]]
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05/23/2005 03:56:02 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by louddog:
... Sucks to have to get all new memory, but better is better. ... |
Doesn't suck for Lexar, or SanDisk, etc. What, exactly, is better about SD compared to CF?
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06/24/2005 02:38:19 AM · #11 |
I got the S2. I can't give really amazing pics, but I will tell you that I put some test shots up on www.picturetrail.com/eschelar
Regarding CF vs MicroDrive vs SD, I will tell you this
CF and SD cards both feature solid state flash memory. This is EXTREMELY robust and uses VERY little power. The flash memory is the same for both (varying only in density) and in both situations is governed by a controller chip. This controller chip is present in any Media card that displays a speed rating (45x or 60x or whatever). Controller chips can be bypassed by card readers (I cannot verify this myself, but I was told such by the Transcend European Rep.), allowing higher speed transfers in that way. If a card has no controller chip, it's speed will be controlled by the device using it.
CF cards occupy significantly more space physically, hence they do not need to be as dense in their flash structure, and can physically hold more flash memory. I would guess that the difference is around 8-12x more space available for flash memory. This is why you can get a CF card with about 4x the storage space of an SD card (I'm talking solid state here, 4gb cards are on the market and I have seen 8GB cards at the Taipei Computex show, compared to soon to be released 2gb SD) for roughly the same price.
The primary difference in CF and SD cards right now however isn't their physical characteristics. It is actually their marketability. The laws of supply and demand state that as supply increases, price drops. Hence, in the last 8 months or so, the price of SD cards has dropped FAR faster than CF cards, also bringing the price of CF cards down in an effort to keep up. Because so many devices are using SD cards, (from phones to MP4 players and MP3 players and PDA's and compact cameras...) the money funding their technology advances is also abundant.
This is fueling the further price droppages in the SD market as well as rapidly advancing technology in the area of speed. The fastest CF cards I saw at the recent computer show were 100-120x. The fastest SD cards were 130-150x and I even saw an MMC card at 2gb with 200x!
This means that it is probably a good thing that my brand new S2 uses SD. I personally would be very happy if the future DSLR's had dual card slots, allowing for either or both.
CF card microdrives are limited in write speeds (most max out around 40x) because they are driven by an electric motor to spin up the drive. Most microdrives run around 5400RPM. They also consume significantly more power because of that motor. It is also well known that they can cause problems with movement in the wrong way at the wrong time. Most people dont' actually experience these problems though, so they are relatively minor.
I don't know the acutal power consumptions for the different cards, as I am too lazy to check my information, but I do know that CF Microdrives use a lot more power.
The difference in power consumption from an SD to a CF card using solid state is VERY minor. It definitely falls into the HYPE category. I was told that a long time ago by some sales people, but have determined from use that is is a load of poo. I use a 1GB SD card (60x) and a 1GB CF card (45x) in my pda and in other uses.
Personally, I feel that there is no real issue using SD for my S2, as I intend to get a 20d or 350d in a year or so when my skills can match the tech. I am totally fine with the idea of having a point and shoot that uses a single 2gb SD card and a DSLR that uses a number of big CF cards. At this stage of the game, a 256 MB card is something of a joke anyhow.
Message edited by author 2005-06-24 02:38:42. |
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06/24/2005 04:29:17 AM · #12 |
Come on Peops! Keep up!
The massive review of the Hightly Recommended S2 IS is on DP Review!
//www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons2is/
Enjoy!
I'm just off out to buy one now! |
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