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05/12/2005 11:20:58 PM · #1 |
Does any one select a theme to follow when voting? For instance concentrating on cropping and only making comments concerning that aspect. Then when you vote in the next challenge only comment about tonality, or lighting, or composition, etc. I find I will make more comments if I follow this process. Do you have an opinion if this is a good or not so good of a method.
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05/12/2005 11:22:37 PM · #2 |
| Sure, it's like studying each aspect individually, it can work. |
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05/12/2005 11:25:47 PM · #3 |
It can be interesting to study just one aspect of an image when commenting.
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05/12/2005 11:30:48 PM · #4 |
| People want comments but only the back patting ones, so sure you could swap off every challenge what you are back-patting for, and people will love you. |
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05/12/2005 11:40:44 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by PhotoRyno:
Does any one select a theme to follow when voting?
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Do you have an opinion if this is a good or not so good of a method. |
No, I do not select a theme. Each image is unique and I usually comment if there is some positive improvement that comes to my mind.
That is not to say I am always right, but will try to be unbiased and positive. The photographer must be wise enough to tell a good suggestion from a bad one. I often learn plenty myself while discussing suggestions for improvements triggered by challenge comments with other photographers.
Some images, however, are beyond help and should not have been submitted in the first place. I usually do not comment on them.
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05/12/2005 11:47:52 PM · #6 |
No, I do not select a theme. Each image is unique and I usually comment if there is some positive improvement that comes to my mind.
I also agree each image is unique and I also comment if there is some ++ improvement that can be made. I always attempt to be positive in my comments.
If in my last challenge entry I got a few comments about improving my cropping I find concentrating on the cropping aspect when voting in the next challenge helps me improve and hopefully someone else in the process. |
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05/12/2005 11:48:24 PM · #7 |
My cat usually tells me what to say when I'm voting/commenting on photos. He's got a good eye.
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05/12/2005 11:55:07 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
My cat usually tells me what to say when I'm voting/commenting on photos. He's got a good eye. |
mine doesnt have too much debth perception
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05/13/2005 12:00:03 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Niten:
People want comments but only the back patting ones |
I disagree...I get absolutely pissed when I see my average falling and new comments stating how great the shot is. I know the shot is great, isn't that why I entered it...I need to know why someone voted it low. What was it that didn't work for that individual.
These are the comments I crave. We are all here to learn and we cannot improve with only positive comments; more constructive criticism on the images scored low is what will improve all of our results in future challenges.
Message edited by author 2005-05-13 00:01:11. |
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05/13/2005 12:09:51 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by Niten:
People want comments but only the back patting ones, so sure you could swap off every challenge what you are back-patting for, and people will love you. |
Eh?
I get about half of my comments that say how I could impove on my photo. Maybe your photos are so good you dont have worry about that.
I like it too, I like to be abused.
I am kidding, sorta :).
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05/13/2005 12:14:07 AM · #11 |
constructive criticism can be postive. "Taking the top of the bridge out of your image will improve it" is the type of comment I would leave if choosing cropping as the comment topic.
It is always easy to say nice pic.
....and I did crappy in the Dreams challenge |
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05/13/2005 03:53:34 AM · #12 |
Sometimes it's hard to give constructive criticism... what's a nice way to say 'what on earth were you thinking when you raised that camera to your eye? I can't see anything here I would have photographed. It has no redeeming qualities'.
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05/13/2005 07:35:23 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Sometimes it's hard to give constructive criticism... what's a nice way to say 'what on earth were you thinking when you raised that camera to your eye? I can't see anything here I would have photographed. It has no redeeming qualities'.
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what about saying, "i'm sorry, but i'm really not sure what you were after here." and let it go at that. |
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05/13/2005 07:43:58 AM · #14 |
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05/13/2005 07:51:36 AM · #15 |
i understood you bobster....however i got this comment on my dreams photo which was meant to be a humorous photo....
"One day what? "One day my mottled balls will win a blue ribbon"? The frosted border seems a bit too pronounced, and (yes, I'm nit-picking) you appear to be unable to decide whether you'd like to win a pair of blue streamers or a gold medal. Personally, I'd recommend shooting for the one that can be traded for "L" glass.
this was just rude....but then again did i read it with the same tone he wrote it...i think i did...maybe not |
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05/13/2005 08:01:27 AM · #16 |
buzzmom...I think the comment was a little rude but may not have been totally meant that way. I totally agree that a comment that has advice to help is much more sought after than just a nice pic. Even on the photos I rate high I try and at least tell what I like about it, colors, framing, etc.
This has got to be my favorite comment (not in a good way mind you) I got on a recent challenge...
read the challenge description better and then go voice your patriotism somewhere else please.
the flag is out of focus, too.
Nice they mentioned the flag was out of focus...that helped me. lol
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05/13/2005 08:10:20 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by buzzmom:
i understood you bobster....however i got this comment on my dreams photo which was meant to be a humorous photo....
"One day what? "One day my mottled balls will win a blue ribbon"? The frosted border seems a bit too pronounced, and (yes, I'm nit-picking) you appear to be unable to decide whether you'd like to win a pair of blue streamers or a gold medal. Personally, I'd recommend shooting for the one that can be traded for "L" glass.
this was just rude....but then again did i read it with the same tone he wrote it...i think i did...maybe not |
It looks like it may have been intended with humour, but your photo was so nice and gentle with vulnerable humour, and I can see that the humour in the comment was a bit like a sledgehammer. |
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05/13/2005 03:29:05 PM · #18 |
It's funny. Whenever this subject comes up, I see how everyone is looking for the real constructive criticism and how they all want to learn to improve, but when I look at my comments, except for a very small number of people, I see that only the "back petting" comments of mine were marked as useful. So I hardly ever give those actual constructive anymore, unless they are to photographers whom I actually learnt to know that they appreciate those.
As for commenting on just one aspect of the photo... I don't know. It has very little value IMO. Especially because the aspect you chose is not necesarily the one I payed the greatest attention to while taking and submitting the shot.
What I personally appreciate the most is either constructive criticism or personal feeling you had while looking at the photo.
I admit I like the back petting very much, but I also get a lot of that from my family and friends, so feel free to be brutally honest ;-) |
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05/13/2005 03:43:09 PM · #19 |
I've gone and read 15-20 of your commenter's comments left for others and I must conclude that this comment landed somewhat crass although it may not have been meant that way originally.
Too bad, but don't take it the wrong way. Keep shooting.
By the way, I do prefer criticism and brutal honesty to back-patting comments, although I enjoy these pats very much - they are fueling my desire to continue with improvements.
Originally posted by buzzmom:
i understood you bobster....however i got this comment on my dreams photo which was meant to be a humorous photo....
"One day what? "One day my mottled balls will win a blue ribbon"? The frosted border seems a bit too pronounced, and (yes, I'm nit-picking) you appear to be unable to decide whether you'd like to win a pair of blue streamers or a gold medal. Personally, I'd recommend shooting for the one that can be traded for "L" glass.
this was just rude....but then again did i read it with the same tone he wrote it...i think i did...maybe not |
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05/13/2005 03:49:02 PM · #20 |
"As for commenting on just one aspect of the photo... I don't know. It has very little value IMO. Especially because the aspect you chose is not necesarily the one I payed the greatest attention to while taking and submitting the shot."
In that case if you get a comment about an aspect you did not pay attention to while taking and submitting might be just the thing you should have payed attention to.
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05/13/2005 04:11:13 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by PhotoRyno:
In that case if you get a comment about an aspect you did not pay attention to while taking and submitting might be just the thing you should have payed attention to. |
That would be true only if I had done this one wrong.
Maybe I am just not giving it enough though, but since you gave "crop" as an example, I just remembered a discussion frmo some time ago, when we had the "parts" challenge.
In that challenge we were suppose to shoot a part of something and I had a feeling that many on the photos in that challenge were croped and not originally taken as parts of a bigger thing.
When I said so in the forum, I got a lot of responses frmo people who actually did take a photo of a part and it only looked cropped this way.
So there's not much point of commenting the crop of a photo if it's not even cropped but taken this way, is there? |
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05/13/2005 04:25:24 PM · #22 |
In that case no, and if I decided to choose crop as the topic of commenting I would only choose image I THINK could be better with a different crop. Something distracting to the left or something could have been left out.
Also remember, if I feel my cropping needs improving I think concentrating on that aspect during voting will help me also. I do not always vote for the benefit of the photographer, sometimes for my own selfish reasons
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05/14/2005 06:45:43 AM · #23 |
During a challenge I think that every time somebody leaves a comment on your picture, you should go and leave a comment on someone elses picture.
If they then did the same, there would be a lot more comments given.
So there. |
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05/14/2005 07:54:38 AM · #24 |
Originally posted by Jinjit:
So there's not much point of commenting the crop of a photo if it's not even cropped but taken this way, is there? |
If you comment on the effectiveness of the "cropping/framing" there's no problem, unless you somehow think that cropping a portion out of a larger image is somehow cheating. I don't, I think it's the artist's final vision which counts, and I don't care that much whether they chose to "crop" with Photoshop or their viewfinder.
The only times I can see it making a difference are if file size were important (e.g. for print), or if the challenge specifically excluded cropping the original frame. |
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05/14/2005 08:48:21 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by rmtm333:
Originally posted by Niten:
People want comments but only the back patting ones |
I disagree...I get absolutely pissed when I see my average falling and new comments stating how great the shot is. I know the shot is great, isn't that why I entered it...I need to know why someone voted it low. What was it that didn't work for that individual.
These are the comments I crave. We are all here to learn and we cannot improve with only positive comments; more constructive criticism on the images scored low is what will improve all of our results in future challenges. |
Amen!! As a relative newbie to photography, I really wonder sometimes when I get great comments and low scores: Are there more trolls out there than previously thought?
Sara
:-P |
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