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05/05/2005 09:55:28 AM · #1 |
Greetings site developers,
I had an idea...and I think this would work well. A lot of us have trouble hitting all 20% of votes. (It's especially hard for those 56k connections.)
Why not offer the alternative - count all votes with comments!
This would allow for a viable alternative that will have minimal trolling, and also potentially increase the occurrence of comments?
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05/05/2005 10:03:30 AM · #2 |
The problem is anything under 20% will start affecting the results. I could just go and give my friend a 10 with a comment "nice shot" and he will have an advantage then over everyone else. The 20% is to discourage things like that.
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05/05/2005 10:10:23 AM · #3 |
| I have 56k and I do 100% voting and about 50 comments (not percent) or so. Takes me a while....for a 400-500 entry challenge its about 60mb and about 4-5 hours probrably more as I reorder the entries. |
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05/05/2005 10:18:13 AM · #4 |
Wow - Kudo's to you! 4-5 hours...You must not be married? ;^)
Do you really get 56k? I know most people with modems have 56k capable modems but in reality I've never heard of anyone actually getting max results. I'm jealous if you do. Best I can get is around 44k tops, usually 40k.
Originally posted by DustDevil:
I have 56k and I do 100% voting and about 50 comments (not percent) or so. Takes me a while....for a 400-500 entry challenge its about 60mb and about 4-5 hours probrably more as I reorder the entries. |
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05/05/2005 10:35:28 AM · #5 |
So let's see, there's been an average of 3-4 challenges a week. Some smaller some larger. But to vote 100% on all photos for all challenges is nearing 5-10+ hours. That's a lot!
It took me two hours to vote on the last challenge with DSL.
Although I think a few people might go so far as having friends give them a vote of 10. As I've been told a single 1 or 10 seldom has any real affect in the overall scoring weight. Second, even if someone is so young and childish it will only happen on a couple submissions before the friends are just like "uh...i'm too busy to bother...." and thirdly, anyone doing that probably isn't a decent enough photographer to score in outside the bottom 1/4 anyways.
Photography takes a certain level of maturity, patience, skill and a creative eye. Without those, the photograph suffers. I really don't think it'd be a common occurrence....
So I still think this is a great idea. I believe the benefits (more voting, and a lot more comments) greatly out-weigh the off-chance of an occasional troll. |
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05/05/2005 10:37:43 AM · #6 |
How about someone registering 20 new accounts, and giving themselves 20 10s with a comment? If they also had to vote on 20% of other photos they would never bother.
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05/05/2005 10:41:37 AM · #7 |
What then is the parameter for a valid comment? Can I just enter a period (.), is "OK" valid? How about "nice"...
Originally posted by theSaj:
...Why not offer the alternative - count all votes with comments! ... |
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05/05/2005 10:44:05 AM · #8 |
Of course you have a point but I wonder what kinda person would go and register 20 accounts just to vote his picture up the ranking in a contest where there's nothing to be won but a small GIF ?
Message edited by author 2005-05-05 10:44:26.
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05/05/2005 10:44:19 AM · #9 |
People keep offering ways to modify the voting system. But what's wrong with the voting system that needs to be fixed? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The fact that it is becoming more time comsuming to vote on all the entries in a challenge, or to vote on all of the challenges, does not mean the voting system is broken. It only means that we are growing.
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05/05/2005 10:44:47 AM · #10 |
| My take on voting is if I submit to a challenge it is my duty to also vote on it. I vote 100% on each challenge I enter because I would hate to leave one out. What if my photo didn't get voted on by someone else? I just feel like every photo entered deserves my attention and a fair chance. |
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05/05/2005 11:29:18 AM · #11 |
"How about someone registering 20 new accounts, and giving themselves 20 10s with a comment? If they also had to vote on 20% of other photos they would never bother."
[[[Why would they bother? furthermore, i still say such a person's entry will wind up on the bottom.
Second, we can make this a priveledge of a "paid" account. Now tell me who's going to pay to register 20 accounts to bump their score up one point higher?
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"But what's wrong with the voting system that needs to be fixed? If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
[[[It is showing signs of stress...or rather the voters are. And one could argue it is broken. As more and more voters are finding themselves unable to meet the 20% requirement on a regular basis. These voters are beginning to vote less and less.
As you mentioned, it's a sign of growth. What happens when within a year or so we have a 1,000+ entries and the minimum vote is 20%? The bare minimum will be 200+ votes.
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I think most "paid" members are unlikely to be a troll. So this "Vote with Comment" would become a membership perk. And you know what. If there is someone who wants to register 200 accounts and give themselves all votes of 10 so they win a blue ribbon. Then more power to them...because if they want to pay the makers of DPC $5,000 for a ribbon then well...go them!
*lol*
And sure singsunshine...that's great. But you know what, I like submitting photos. But this past week I worked till 2am most nights. And was at my g/f's in the boondocks of Pennsylvania (only 28k internet connection).
In a perfect world...perhaps. But when I read people's rebuttles "Well, I voted on 100% and commented on at least 20% of the photos...it only took me 5 hours" I am like what the !@#$% are you retired? Do you realize people work? people have families? people actually want to go out and take photographs?
I think this could be a solution... |
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05/05/2005 11:30:53 AM · #12 |
First off, creating more than one account is grounds for suspension.
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05/05/2005 11:31:48 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
"How about someone registering 20 new accounts, and giving themselves 20 10s with a comment? If they also had to vote on 20% of other photos they would never bother."
[[[Why would they bother? furthermore, i still say such a person's entry will wind up on the bottom.
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Just as an aside - it'd be a lot easier to read your posts if you used the quote function. |
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05/05/2005 12:11:31 PM · #14 |
I think your the one getting a little stressed theSaj. If you can't get all 20% votes in then you can't get them in. I don't think I have ever gotten 100% voted AND commented. I have even commented without voting just to help out some photographers that appear new or unskilled.
Yes making comments is a great way to help others and is much appreciated by most (me included) but when you start stressing over not being able to do 100% all the time or even 20% then there is a problem much deeper than here.
I noticed in the last challenge where I did not get to finish voting on 20% my comments still showed up on the individuals photo.-is that correct SC? So I helped some people and didn't vote all the way---no one hurt or stressed.
I think your comments toward singsunshine are inappropriate and should be corrected.
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05/05/2005 12:55:24 PM · #15 |
Challenge History
Actually, it appears that the Vote and Comments given per challenge is increasing. |
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05/05/2005 12:59:33 PM · #16 |
Coincidentally in line with the announcement of the special invitational challenge? See what happens when submission for 'Dreams' comes to a close...
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Challenge History
Actually, it appears that the Vote and Comments given per challenge is increasing. |
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05/05/2005 01:17:35 PM · #17 |
I entered the dream challenge with ease but didn't think I would have time to take, edit and enter a different shot after the first shot fell 1 day short of the guidlines. Also I find it very hard to vote on all the entries due to work and having to be called out of town a lot which limits my time to vote. I have noticed that the comments I am getting are 1 lines and really don't say a lot but there is the odd few that are very much appreciated.
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05/05/2005 01:34:21 PM · #18 |
Just as a redondent note: First it is more important to vote than to comment. The biggest effort must be made to vote on all images. Not to do so creates a weakness which will affect your image as well. Strange, but I take it as an iron rule to always vote on all entries no matter the hardship and then to comment on 20% of the images. Sometimes I fall short on the commenting and wind up with a disappointing 15 or 16%.
While there going to be exceptions it behooves each member to actively participate in the voting because that is the heart of DPC. Commenting is desired but it is more like the icing on the cake.
The entire scope of DPC will suffer, specially if members ignore to give off their time. This may mean less forum activity, but then the forums do not select or vote on images. The lesson here is that failure to vote will have an adverse effect on us all. |
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