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04/28/2005 11:51:30 AM · #1 |
By that, I mean scoring? Is it a simple average or are a certain percentage of scores dropped?
The reason I ask, is this particular entry in the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" received a score of "1" by a voter. I see no reason to justly give said photo a ranking of "1". Just by the fact that it is a reasonably clear photo that contained all elements (rock,paper & scissors) justifies at least a 2.
I understand there is personal taste. But what the heck? I see no justification for such a score. To me, such a score is "trolling". Perhaps someone is voting Yes/No with either "10" being "they liked the photo" and "1" being they did not like the photo. But such is not how the scoring scale works. (It's a 1-10) and such scoring dramatically affects the overall score. (Basically costing a 1/2 point adjustment on 10 votes.) And .5 may not seem a lot but it's a dramatic difference in place on DPC.
I'm just curious if DPC uses a weighted method or if there are any protections that look for a profile that scores all ones? (To prevent someone from being slimy and creating multiple profiles and voting 1's for all the competitors photos.)
I know in the big scheme of things it's probably no big deal. I am just flabbergasted by how some people can give certain photos a "1". |
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04/28/2005 11:56:01 AM · #2 |
welcome to dpc ;-)
there is no weighting.
(sum of (# of votes for a score * the score)) / total # votes cast
if you browse the threads, you'll find a 'why did i get a 1' thread for nearly every challenge. it's just the way it is. |
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04/28/2005 11:56:31 AM · #3 |
There is an anti-troll device that goes through and removes scores based on not meeting the 20% minimum votes, and a number of other things that are top secret. I would imagine if someone voted 1 on every image then those scores would be scrapped. That is why if you check your score before the rollover you'll see the final score either a little higher or lower than it was just before.
As for something not being worthy of a 1 vote. Well that topic has come and unfortunately never gone. It will always be discussed and there will never be an agreement on why. It may not be worth a 1 to you or to others but that doesnt mean it wont be worth a 1 to someone out there. There is a 1-10 scale for a reason and to say nothing is worth a 1 is saying the scale needs to be 2-10 and so starts the argument anew. You can also argue that some images dont deserve a 10 but that's what some people give them. |
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04/28/2005 12:02:51 PM · #4 |
The laws of statistics...it's a perfect bell curve...
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04/28/2005 12:03:13 PM · #5 |
Just a note, the above is not my photo....it's one that I just can't see how it could fairly be given a 1.
Oh I didn't say nothing is worth a 1. That's not my argument. I've seen a few photos worth a "1".
I guess my question is when a photo is clearly not a "1" but is given such. Example: when judging a photo there are certain things that are judged. Composition, focus, relevance to challenge, etc. When all of these things are reasonably done...I don't believe a "1" is justified. I mean, there are standard methods that are used in professional judgind from photo judging to Olympics.
"You can also argue that some images dont deserve a 10 but that's what some people give them."
[[[That's why I asked if there were a weight. In a lot of judging the top and bottom percentage is dropped. With judging panels it's often the top and bottom score is dropped and the remainder is averaged. Just curious....
Overall I realize it's not a big deal and probably balances out reasonably well.
"I would imagine if someone voted 1 on every image then those scores would be scrapped"
[[[That's good...cause that's what I was wondering.]]]
On the flip side, I have heard some people mark a photo with a "1" vote to come back later and review and vote. I'm wondering if someone did this and then forgot to come back to it? That could be...and would make much more sense. |
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04/28/2005 12:03:58 PM · #6 |
| My opinion is that if you give a photo a low score-perhaps a 3 or lower you should be required to comment also. The only problem it may inflate the numbers due to people not leaving comments. I would like to know why someone voted low on my entries. I believe that is fair. I always leave a comment when I score 3 or less. |
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04/28/2005 12:07:52 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by moodville:
There is a 1-10 scale for a reason and to say nothing is worth a 1 is saying the scale needs to be 2-10 and so starts the argument anew. |
He didn't say NOTHING is worth a 1. He said a photo that is in focus and clearly fits the challenge justifies at least a 2.
I totally agree with him! I know there is personal taste, but that should only apply to a range that makes sense.
I, too, can't see how anyone can give a 1 or a 2 to a photo that is technically ok and fits the challenge - whether or not you like it, should then only make the difference between the 3 and the 10, at times even the 4 or 5 and the 10.
If you give a 1 to a photo like theSaj is using as an example, what on earth do give to one of the "tiny, out of focus, far too dark, doesn't fit the challenge type" disasters and still be fair? |
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04/28/2005 12:10:55 PM · #8 |
Thanks Beetle, that conveyed very succinctly what I was trying to put into terms...
A 1 vote on a 1-10 scale system for a photo like the one I posted above just has no justification.
I kinda like Bcoble's idea but with a little variation. I think in order to vote either a "1" or a "10" a comment should be required. This would NOT be hard to do code wise. Just a little JavaScript validation on the radio button. |
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04/28/2005 12:14:16 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
If you give a 1 to a photo like theSaj is using as an example, what on earth do give to one of the "tiny, out of focus, far too dark, doesn't fit the challenge type" disasters and still be fair? |
A Brown Ribbon, of course! ;)
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04/28/2005 12:16:25 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
I kinda like Bcoble's idea but with a little variation. I think in order to vote either a "1" or a "10" a comment should be required. This would NOT be hard to do code wise. Just a little JavaScript validation on the radio button. |
this is nice to want and easy to say, but totally impractical. i give you a 1, and am prompted for a comment, so i type jibberish. i made a comment and the system is happy, but you're not...
system is fine as is, just use it. not getting comments? then make more yourself. don't think you're qualified to comment? well, ya gotta start somewhere--jump in and do it, you'll get used to it and better with practice. |
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04/28/2005 12:17:32 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Thanks Beetle, that conveyed very succinctly what I was trying to put into terms...
A 1 vote on a 1-10 scale system for a photo like the one I posted above just has no justification.
I kinda like Bcoble's idea but with a little variation. I think in order to vote either a "1" or a "10" a comment should be required. This would NOT be hard to do code wise. Just a little JavaScript validation on the radio button. |
All of this has been suggested over and over again. A signle 1 out of around 300 votes is insignificant, especially as it happens on most images. |
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04/28/2005 12:18:25 PM · #12 |
| Don't like your new hair-style Skip. Or have you had something done you're not telling us all? |
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04/28/2005 12:26:34 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by theSaj:
Thanks Beetle, that conveyed very succinctly what I was trying to put into terms...
A 1 vote on a 1-10 scale system for a photo like the one I posted above just has no justification.
I kinda like Bcoble's idea but with a little variation. I think in order to vote either a "1" or a "10" a comment should be required. This would NOT be hard to do code wise. Just a little JavaScript validation on the radio button. |
I'd like to see a forced comment on sub-3 votes, but it would be extremely difficult if at all possible to do more than verify something was typed.
So i vote 2, and my comment is "A". As long as i put something in the field it'll be accepted.
Of course, after the voting ends and my name shows up on that comment, the next pic i give a 1 to will get the comment "Great Shot!". There is no way to (at this time) to associate a vote to a voter.
Now i participate over at //www.fujimugs.com. Similar concept to here, but different voting schema (you rank your top 10 entries, 10 points for 1, 1 point for 10th, total points wins).
Anyway, over there once a challenge has ended, you can see the voter's votes... here are some screen shots. (so it CAN be done bere...) It may not stop the 1s, but should stop trolling!
All voters, all pics
All voters, one pic
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04/28/2005 12:30:13 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by moodville:
There is a 1-10 scale for a reason and to say nothing is worth a 1 is saying the scale needs to be 2-10 and so starts the argument anew. |
He didn't say NOTHING is worth a 1. He said a photo that is in focus and clearly fits the challenge justifies at least a 2. |
I didnt say he said that nothing deserved a 1. There are some people out there who believe nothing deserves a 1. There are people out there who believes a lot of things deserves a 1. My post basically took what he said and expanded on it to include other arguments that have been going on here forever. His vote, your vote, my vote, anyone's vote is entirely up to them no matter what it is and whether or not he, you, I, or anyone else agrees or disagrees. The only time when they dont count is when they are done for reasons such as trying to score lower and images they think will win etc etc. It's not always possible for people without access to someone's entire voting history to know whether than person was acting in such a way or whether they just felt the score deserved a 1. |
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04/28/2005 12:33:55 PM · #15 |
not to hijack this thread, but...
Originally posted by e301:
Don't like your new hair-style Skip. Or have you had something done you're not telling us all? |
oh, it's nothing...i just got so bitter (i believe that's the word i saw in another thread) about not getting on the site council, my bun came undone.
or maybe it was that thing about females getting more notice around here, and consequently getting more comments
or maybe i'm needing a wig from pulling my hair out trying to get a handle on iView...
or maybe i'm not telling you something ;-) |
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04/28/2005 12:47:22 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
not to hijack this thread, but...
Originally posted by e301:
Don't like your new hair-style Skip. Or have you had something done you're not telling us all? |
or maybe it was that thing about females getting more notice around here, and consequently getting more comments |
Just because females get more notice doesnt mean it's a good thing. |
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04/28/2005 12:52:57 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
not to hijack this thread, but...
Originally posted by e301:
Don't like your new hair-style Skip. Or have you had something done you're not telling us all? |
oh, it's nothing...i just got so bitter (i believe that's the word i saw in another thread) about not getting on the site council, my bun came undone.
or maybe it was that thing about females getting more notice around here, and consequently getting more comments
or maybe i'm needing a wig from pulling my hair out trying to get a handle on iView...
or maybe i'm not telling you something ;-) |
Uh, skiprow, did you just have a sex change?? |
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04/28/2005 01:18:45 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Uh, skiprow, did you just have a sex change?? |
no, at least i don't think so. i just let my hair down ;-) |
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04/28/2005 01:51:22 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Uh, skiprow, did you just have a sex change?? |
no, at least i don't think so. i just let my hair down ;-) |
I see. Cute (not that it means anything to me, of course ;-)...
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