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04/27/2005 12:02:55 PM · #1 |
yup another darn minimalist thread.
When i started sorting my pictures into meets the challenge vs does not meet the challenge piles, i found myself relying on the title to tell me of the subject i was supposed to be focusing on.
I am trying to decided right now if the images that rely on the heading really do meet the challenge, becuase without that little hint dropped by the photog i would be wondering around saying what is supposed to catch my eye? That hardy makes the subject the point of focus, does it?
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04/27/2005 12:22:12 PM · #2 |
To me the image should stand on it's own. What you discover from reading the title could be used in formulating a comment.
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04/27/2005 12:29:18 PM · #3 |
Everyone's brains think differently...
I'll sometimes include humor or an insightful angle into a photo and I notice that half the time people catch it and the other half of the time they don't.
There is a reason why paintings have names.
Sometimes you might miss an interpretive angle, take the "accidental letters" there were quite a few in which I did not see the letter till I read the name. But once I did that it became quite apparent. Should I have judged all those photos lower because of my own ineptitude on those particular case?
My recommendation....judge the photo at first glance, then review the title, than judge it after the second look and see if you gained any insight. You may be surprised... |
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04/27/2005 12:32:42 PM · #4 |
Oh yeah, a great example of this was my "Cemetary" photo entitled "Reflections of Mourning in Granite"
(actually, the intent was to just title it "Reflections of Mourning" but I worried that people might assume that the shot was simply a photo with an overlayed photoshop effect. And quite a few people assumed just that. And a few upon reading the title realized that the image was actually a reflection off a granite stone and not just a effect overlay but in fact a natural photo. That realization changed the opinions and scoring for quite a few viewers.) |
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04/27/2005 12:34:13 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by mesmeraj:
yup another darn minimalist thread.
When i started sorting my pictures into meets the challenge vs does not meet the challenge piles, i found myself relying on the title to tell me of the subject i was supposed to be focusing on.
I am trying to decided right now if the images that rely on the heading really do meet the challenge, becuase without that little hint dropped by the photog i would be wondering around saying what is supposed to catch my eye? That hardy makes the subject the point of focus, does it? |
Sorry mesmeraj, I am one of those that you probably have to have the title. I do believe that the subject should be right there in your face, especially for this challenge but in my haste get the photo done and not bother the "model" I stopped on the street I forgot about my DOF and focusing on what I did actually want to be the focus. I am suffering badly for it, and probably would mark others down for doing the same thing.
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04/27/2005 02:16:04 PM · #6 |
The title is part of the entry. You should read it. If you think it a weaker entry because it only met the challenge via the title, then it's your right to vote it lower if think you should. But don't ignore the title completely, it is part of the entering photographer's work.
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04/27/2005 02:31:39 PM · #7 |
There are images that bite you in the face and then on the other side there are images that are more subtle. They both have equal merit. A subtle image serves nice in a kitchen while you are awaking from slumber and a bold one can find good hanging space elsewhere.
The easy formula to find the main subject is to follow the focus of the camera. This is true most of the time because there are no absolute laws governing composition. It does not mean the topic is wide open but it does mean that artists have creative ways of presenting images and subtle manners in selecting the subject or pivotal part of their images. No one approach is universal and this is why artist have different followings.
caution should always be present when we judge images that do not meet the challenge. I read in some thread that this fellow judged over half the images failed the challenge. That is almost like saying everybody else is crazy but me.
Look, we are dealing with personal interpretation which is always tempered by our limited understanding. Sometimes if we look deeper we find points of which we never took into consideration. It is always best to allow a broad interpretation because there are many different ways in which to accomplish a means.
And yes, in DPC titles do have some bearing on the image otherwise why employ them at all. They would have been dropped long ago.
Message edited by author 2005-04-27 14:32:58. |
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04/27/2005 02:37:39 PM · #8 |
04/27/2005 02:33:40 PM
//www.wwar.com/masters/movements/minimalism.html
By going to the link, one can learn what "minimalism" in art is. The title of this challenge is "mimimalism".
The description: "Create an image where your subject is the strong point of the image, but only occupying a very small portion of the image space." describes true "minimalism" only in a small way.
//www.tate.org.uk/archivejourneys/reisehtml/mov_minimalism.htm
"We usually think of art as representing an aspect of the real world (a landscape, a person, or even a tin of soup!); or reflecting an experience such as an emotion or feeling. With Minimalism, no attempt is made to represent an outside reality, the artist wants the viewer to respond only to what is in front of them. "
Just a little research to stir things up.
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04/27/2005 02:44:11 PM · #9 |
Beautiful photo and yes everyone looks a photo differently,,in the end take the advice and go with what you want to portray.
Originally posted by theSaj:
Oh yeah, a great example of this was my "Cemetary" photo entitled "Reflections of Mourning in Granite"
(actually, the intent was to just title it "Reflections of Mourning" but I worried that people might assume that the shot was simply a photo with an overlayed photoshop effect. And quite a few people assumed just that. And a few upon reading the title realized that the image was actually a reflection off a granite stone and not just a effect overlay but in fact a natural photo. That realization changed the opinions and scoring for quite a few viewers.) |
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04/27/2005 02:50:59 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by jensmustang:
Beautiful photo and yes everyone looks a photo differently,,in the end take the advice and go with what you want to portray.
Originally posted by theSaj:
Oh yeah, a great example of this was my "Cemetary" photo entitled "Reflections of Mourning in Granite"
(actually, the intent was to just title it "Reflections of Mourning" but I worried that people might assume that the shot was simply a photo with an overlayed photoshop effect. And quite a few people assumed just that. And a few upon reading the title realized that the image was actually a reflection off a granite stone and not just a effect overlay but in fact a natural photo. That realization changed the opinions and scoring for quite a few viewers.) |
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Well, here is one perfect example of why we should keep an open mind because we are liable to be outsmarted again and again. Good work here which proves that the artist will find unique presentations which shrink fixed definitions to their bigoted stance. |
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04/27/2005 02:58:17 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
The title is part of the entry. You should read it. If you think it a weaker entry because it only met the challenge via the title, then it's your right to vote it lower if think you should. But don't ignore the title completely, it is part of the entering photographer's work. |
In competitions I've entered other than here the judges are not provided with the title, just the topic (not even a description).
True, if you can't determine what the intension of the image is then looking at the title can help. I'd would rather be left to interpret the image myself than be directed by a title.
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04/27/2005 03:10:19 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I'm on fire today! The easy formula to find the main subject is to follow the focus of the camera. This is true most of the time because there are no absolute laws governing composition. |
Aside from what is focused in camera your eyes also naturally follow lines, light and colors..
For example a photo where the dark "colors" or black dominates, your eyes will normally follow the light towards brighter and brighter and the main subject will be the brightest subject.. And the opposite is true when light colors or white dominates.
This is easier to do with colors.. Making the main subject a different color than the rest of the image.. but follow this through with the light in mind as well.
The lines.. our eyes likes to follow paths.. to follow through a path to find the subject can be more interesting than the subject hitting you in the face right away.
We might not think about this consciously when we think about a photo.. But having this in the back of your mind can help out a bit.
Here is a link that is quite informative
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