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04/28/2005 06:31:45 AM · #76
Who really cares HOW a person scores, he is scoring that way in any case. That's the way it is.
04/28/2005 06:38:02 AM · #77
Originally posted by gibun:

Who really cares HOW a person scores, he is scoring that way in any case. That's the way it is.

well, the reason i (and presumbly others) share our voting methods is to hopefully enlighten others as to how they should vote.

for me, personally, when i use my method, i get a 10. if more people used my method, i would get more 10s, as opposed to people scoring it for being a sucky image...
04/28/2005 06:53:04 AM · #78
This thread is sort of hilarious. It sounds as if people are stressing over how to vote on what is or what is not considered minimalism. After studying several websites on minimalism and the artwork associated with it, I simply took this as the literal meaning in photography also, and I voted with that in mind. I enjoyed voting on this topic.
04/28/2005 07:09:56 AM · #79
Originally posted by woohoopepper:

This thread is sort of hilarious. It sounds as if people are stressing over how to vote on what is or what is not considered minimalism. After studying several websites on minimalism and the artwork associated with it, I simply took this as the literal meaning in photography also, and I voted with that in mind. I enjoyed voting on this topic.

wendy, i hope this isn't asking too much, but i would appreciate it if you would reconsider your approach, and go back and revote using my rule of thumb, instead of applying a textbook artwork definition.
04/28/2005 07:24:51 AM · #80
Originally posted by skiprow:


wendy, i hope this isn't asking too much, but i would appreciate it if you would reconsider your approach, and go back and revote using my rule of thumb, instead of applying a textbook artwork definition.


Hey Skip - believe it or not that is the way my voting turned out. I looked at my 9s and 10s (and my 8s) and yep, I would say they fit into the rule of thumb! I have a good feeling about it.
04/28/2005 07:25:19 AM · #81
skiprow, as a rule of thumb most will only listen to themselves and their subjective interpretation of what is okay and what not.;-)
04/28/2005 07:28:53 AM · #82
Skip (again) - you haven't voted on mine yet, but I'm expecting a 0% from you - LOL!!!!
04/28/2005 07:42:30 AM · #83
Originally posted by gibun:

skiprow, as a rule of thumb most will only listen to themselves and their subjective interpretation of what is okay and what not.;-)

you are so right--that's why i get so upset when i'm talking to myself and no one's listening

wendy: don't be too sure about that ;-)
dahkota: i'm using my pinky on the thumbnails
04/28/2005 12:11:07 PM · #84
Originally posted by skiprow:



wendy: don't be too sure about that ;-)


Guess what I really meant was a 1, unless you have really large thumbs. (Let's not go there!)
04/28/2005 12:17:22 PM · #85
Originally posted by sir_bazz:

Originally posted by vbd70:

to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame".
V.

But what if the subject, (although occupying a small portion of the frame), isn't "the strong point of the image" ?
How do you fairly assess the entry ?

bazz.


if one agrees that a certain thing in the image is the image's subject, then being the subject (not an accessory or as background) it is the strong point of the image by definition especially for the guy that took the picture. If the image (and therefore its subject) is not strong enough for you, vote low; if it is, and is succesufl in telling the story its creator wanted to tell, vote high... best, V.
04/28/2005 12:32:18 PM · #86
Originally posted by skiprow:

Originally posted by bod:

My voting method on this one ...

(BAD) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD)


mine is SO very similar
(BAD = bigger than thumb) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD = fits under thumb)

Okay, can you clarify a few things ...
What size is your monitor, and what resolution are you running at? If I set my monitor to 640x480 then it would take a small spade to cover most of the subjects in the challenge :D

Oh, and could you hit your thumb with a large hammer a few minutes before voting on mine please? ; )
04/28/2005 12:39:55 PM · #87
Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by skiprow:

Originally posted by bod:

My voting method on this one ...

(BAD) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD)


mine is SO very similar
(BAD = bigger than thumb) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD = fits under thumb)

Okay, can you clarify a few things ...
What size is your monitor, and what resolution are you running at? If I set my monitor to 640x480 then it would take a small spade to cover most of the subjects in the challenge :D

Oh, and could you hit your thumb with a large hammer a few minutes before voting on mine please? ; )


i vote on a 21" monitor at 1280x1024 so my thumb takes up about 15% of an image at 640. can't get much more specific than that, cuz i don't won't wendy getting wiggy speculating about my thumbsize ;-) i will entertain the hammer idea, as i have seen a few that i really liked that missed it on the 'small' part...
04/28/2005 12:55:22 PM · #88
LMAO! Yes, please pound the hell outta that thumb of yours! Then go back to your voting.
04/28/2005 01:17:52 PM · #89
Originally posted by woohoopepper:

LMAO! Yes, please pound the hell outta that thumb of yours! Then go back to your voting.

i'm pounding away ;-)
04/28/2005 01:53:57 PM · #90
Originally posted by vbd70:

to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame". More, there is a jury that decides this, apparently it is not anyone else's job; and, giving 3 or low notes to whatever photo ONE think doesn't meet ONE's interpretation of the challenge is totally unfair. Read the challenge, vote accordingly: and, please, restrain from voting on any more of my pictures until you will understand what you are doing.
V.


I am surprised. Some people only read a portion of the requirements.
"Create an image where your subject is the STRONG POINT OF THE IMAGE, but only occupying a VERY SMALL PORTION of the image space."

If another part of the image dominates the photograph and steals from the intended subject, than I vote accordingly.

I still say the door is the strong point of your photo. Period!
Besides, this is all in fun and we expect ups and downs. It is my perception and not yours that determines my vote. Otherwise everyone would be a 10.

Now lets move on to the next challenge.
04/28/2005 04:18:36 PM · #91
Originally posted by bcoble:

Originally posted by vbd70:

to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame". More, there is a jury that decides this, apparently it is not anyone else's job; and, giving 3 or low notes to whatever photo ONE think doesn't meet ONE's interpretation of the challenge is totally unfair. Read the challenge, vote accordingly: and, please, restrain from voting on any more of my pictures until you will understand what you are doing.
V.


I am surprised. Some people only read a portion of the requirements.
"Create an image where your subject is the STRONG POINT OF THE IMAGE, but only occupying a VERY SMALL PORTION of the image space."

If another part of the image dominates the photograph and steals from the intended subject, than I vote accordingly.

I still say the door is the strong point of your photo. Period!
Besides, this is all in fun and we expect ups and downs. It is my perception and not yours that determines my vote. Otherwise everyone would be a 10.

Now lets move on to the next challenge.


you can vote the way you like, of course. just don't try and find a whatever justification for it. I believe you aren't in good faith: why? simple, because if I'd think you are in good faith, then I should think if you'd understand photography a little better, you couldn't say that an out of focus door in the background is the strong point of a picture with a cat sharply in focus in the foreground; but I think (of course, being this a photo site) that you understand that, at least so I guess, so my conclusion is that you are not in good faith (just, as you say, IMO). so nice try but it didn't work, am sorry buddy... and yes, I still think my picture is well within the challenge rules, and guess what, I am not the only one: read the comments to it, and more than that don't forget that there are administrators in this site that would have ruled it out if it wasn't well within the rules. I am surprised at your presumption, until they will not make you ad administrator making such judgements is not any of your business. So, vote the way you like but restrain from trying and teach us how to do things.

V.

04/28/2005 04:31:10 PM · #92
I'm seeing many images that are well within the rules and even being perfectly within bounds still didn't get it.

Having said that I'd add that many of the images are very strong in many ways but are not much more than offset subjects on a huge canvas. Again, perfectly within the challenge rules but not much more than that.
04/28/2005 04:55:40 PM · #93
Photo's are not removed due to not fitting the criteria. Artistic value is as important to me as the technical aspects of the photograph. Because a item is in focus does not and will not dictate to me on weather it is the main subject and center of the photograph. Because one item is in focus and rest is not, does not make it the "strong point of interest" that is were interpretation comes into play.

Get a grip
04/28/2005 05:25:06 PM · #94
My suggestion is that when you hear very strong opinions being put forth to check the source and the stats of the commenter. Such comparison sheds a lot of light and will either add or detract from the force of the statement.

I have been around this business a very long time and dare not assume such strong viewpoints. Keep in mind that strong locked viewpoints does not create a fertile ground for you to improve and grow because the soil is too arid.

There are certain laws attached to all fields and unless these laws are understood it makes little sense to go against them. Not only that, art is governed by a delicate thing we call aesthetics which we are quite unable to pen down.

Of course, all of us are allowed our personal expression but this expression is only as good as the experience and standing of the observer and how much time spent in studying the subject matter.

The important point is that photography is open to artistic execution and interpretation and therefore fixed opinions create a hindrance to its full appreciation. No rules are immutable and some in art are almost undefinable. Can you not see the danger when the acute mind enters to codify?
04/28/2005 05:26:42 PM · #95
Originally posted by bcoble:

Photo's are not removed due to not fitting the criteria. Artistic value is as important to me as the technical aspects of the photograph. Because a item is in focus does not and will not dictate to me on weather it is the main subject and center of the photograph. Because one item is in focus and rest is not, does not make it the "strong point of interest" that is were interpretation comes into play.

Get a grip


did you hear of the "propose for disqualification" feature? try it on my pic if so you wish and if you think it's not in the rules. be my guest. exactly, interpretation as you say: so, as I said already a few times, feel free to vote as you wish, this is just your interpretation of what photo and its rules are, no problem for me.

one last thing: get a grip? wow, this is a great argument in a discussion, very mature. bravo!
04/28/2005 05:27:01 PM · #96
Originally posted by rex:

Here is the photo I promised. Would this classify a minimalism? The barn takes up very little of the photograph. This is just a rough edit for the purpose of this thread. I was driving 60mph as stopping on this highway was not an option.



Daniel (graphicfunk),

Would you consider this minimalism? Remember I am on your side. Uploaded this for this dicussion.
04/28/2005 05:28:38 PM · #97
I started at 10 then work backwards from there. I do not think everyone was hoping their photo was any less then a ten.
04/28/2005 05:41:08 PM · #98
Originally posted by mpemberton:

I started at 10 then work backwards from there. I do not think everyone was hoping their photo was any less then a ten.


I would have been content or at least had no argument if you started my entry at a 6.

I was working on wishful thinking and a prayer. As I didn't meet the challenge or thought I might have been borderline in some aspect I really have no complaints.

Getting great comments though, mostly stating that I would have totaly rocked in a completely different challenge.
04/28/2005 05:47:38 PM · #99
Originally posted by vbd70:

Originally posted by bcoble:

Photo's are not removed due to not fitting the criteria. Artistic value is as important to me as the technical aspects of the photograph. Because a item is in focus does not and will not dictate to me on weather it is the main subject and center of the photograph. Because one item is in focus and rest is not, does not make it the "strong point of interest" that is were interpretation comes into play.

Get a grip


did you hear of the "propose for disqualification" feature? try it on my pic if so you wish and if you think it's not in the rules. be my guest. exactly, interpretation as you say: so, as I said already a few times, feel free to vote as you wish, this is just your interpretation of what photo and its rules are, no problem for me.

one last thing: get a grip? wow, this is a great argument in a discussion, very mature. bravo!


I'm done. I understand your point and hopefully you understand mine. Lets get into the next challenges. Oh, one more thing. I liked the photo though.

Bill
04/28/2005 06:15:12 PM · #100
I was going to stay out of this, but I'm pleased to see that I'm not the only one incensed with mr Coble's critique of his photograph.

This is my first entry with a score above 6. I have received 16 comments so far. 14 very positive, one neutral, and one from Bob stating "I'm sorry, but I feel this does not meet the challenge."

You are entitled to your opinion, Bob, but you are dead wrong.

You get a grip.

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