"Pass" or "Abstain" from voting on a specific pic

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

04/19/2005 12:03:20 AM · #1

I think a "Pass" or "Abstain" option would be good because there may be some entries you just don't want to vote on because you don't like the subject matter or some other reason and you don't really want to help or hurt the scoring of it. Sure you can skip over it, but with the random presentation function, it will keep popping up at you.

Some examples that come to mind are: Dead animals, Nudes, Portrayal of Graphic Violence. This is not necessarily my list, but from what I've read in the forums, I thought some might be in favor of this type of option.

I am certainly open to arguments against this idea. Any thoughts?

Pedro

Nikon D200

04/19/2005 12:05:30 AM · #2

moodville

Nikon D100

04/19/2005 12:08:43 AM · #3

Originally posted by Pedro:

But then they repeat more often than a dodgy curry on a Friday night. If you dont want to vote on it because you dont like the subject having it pop up even more often than just the once is worse!

pawdrix

Nikon D700

Nikon AF Nikkor 85mm f/1.4D IF

04/19/2005 12:11:00 AM · #4

Just don't vote on images you don't wish to vote on.

Minus the general silliness of mankind the system works pretty well as I see it.

I'd like to add that this site navigates quite impressively. Keeping, bussing and accessing all this data, in such a complete, user friendly fashion is really something special.

Well done.

Elemmennope

Nikon AF Zoom-Nikkor 70-200mm f/2.8 VR DG IF-ED

04/19/2005 12:11:43 AM · #5

If you open it in a separate window and then just minimize it -- set it aside and proceed on the rest, it might keep it out of your way for awhile.

Not sure if that would work, but it's an idea.

Pedro

Nikon D200

04/19/2005 12:14:20 AM · #6

Originally posted by moodville:

Originally posted by Pedro:
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But then they repeat more often than a dodgy curry on a Friday night. If you dont want to vote on it because you dont like the subject having it pop up even more often than just the once is worse!

It's a conspiracy. kind of like desensitization therapy. eventually you might forget you found it distasteful.

*edit: "Dodgy Curry"...that's funny :)

Message edited by author 2005-04-19 00:15:01.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

04/19/2005 12:18:34 AM · #7

Originally posted by moodville:

Originally posted by Pedro:
>>

...they repeat more often than a dodgy curry on a Friday night...

LOLOL! I don't wanna know the origin of that simile.

Seriously, I agree that if you're seriously offended by an image you don't want to see it pop up repeatedly.
that said, with the ToS and rules in place, there are really few images that are truly distrubing to an extreme degree, though personal opinions do vary.
Personally, I almost always vote all images in a challenge, even though some may not be pleasant. I'd suggest that voting these images is as important as voting the pleasing ones. Photography is not always about positive things, it is about the dark side as well. Whether or not an image is "dark" or "disturbing" has no bearing on whether or not it is well-done, IMO.

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

04/19/2005 12:19:58 AM · #8

I think that if a person find a photo THAT aweful that they don't want to vote on it, then maybe they should give it a 1 and move on. Otherwise, how will people know that voters don't like their photos? If we only voted on photos we liked, what would the sense of voting at all be?

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

04/19/2005 12:23:33 AM · #9

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

I liked the idea until I saw this post... Thanks Heather for your insight...

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

04/19/2005 12:36:01 AM · #10

If the image is technically good and meets the challenge, I have trouble understanding why distaste for the subject matter chosen merits a "1" vote.

(Edited to say - I could probably have said that with fewer words, but you get the point...)

Message edited by author 2005-04-19 00:37:18.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

04/19/2005 12:39:45 AM · #11

Originally posted by sfalice:

If the image is technically good and meets the challenge, I have trouble understanding why distaste for the subject matter chosen merits a "1" vote.

I'll second that motion!!
I'll restate my earlier premise. Though we may not be pleased by a photo, that does not make it bad photography. We should try to step back from our personal biases - we all have them - and vote according to how effective the photo is, regardless of the message.
If a photo violates the ToS, by all means report it.

peete

Nikon D70

04/19/2005 12:50:26 AM · #12

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

what if (as an example) you are very conservative and against any acts of nudism, is it fair to give a photo a 1 if it is, photographically speaking, a work of art? does blood in a photo make it deserve a 1? because some people will find it awful due to personal taste, and would rather not see it. but how are they to vote fairly on something that bothers them so much.
i think the pass idea is good

04/19/2005 12:56:33 AM · #13

Originally posted by sfalice:

I'll use the argument that I typically use. If I have a personal distaste for poop and some one enters a technically perfect picture of poop in a challenge, why would I be compelled to vote high on the shot? I would be going against my own personal nature if I gave the poop shot a good score... (not that there's anything wrong with poop if that's what your into...)

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

04/19/2005 12:59:31 AM · #14

I do agree that a photo that is technically good does not deserve a 1. I probably should have stated 'vote it low'. Since exaggeration doesn't come across very clear in writing. lol
A vote is an opinion. I encourage everyone to vote how they see fit. And remember, you CAN have a good photo of a horrible subject.

peete

Nikon D70

04/19/2005 01:01:32 AM · #15

Originally posted by TooCool:

which is why pass/abstain is good. why vote a picture down just because you dont like poop if it is an asthetically pleasing, well taken photograph of a golden piece of poop. why should the photgrapher be punished because you have this silly little distaste in something that other people might like (although in this case poop isnt a good example, but gore or blood are)

04/19/2005 01:02:08 AM · #16

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

And remember, you CAN have a good photo of a horrible subject.

but people don't have to vote/think highly on/of it! Part of photography is the choice of subject...

sfalice

Canon PowerShot SX60 HS

04/19/2005 01:04:34 AM · #17

since we're talking about meeting the challenge here, if the challenge is to photograph poop, and someone does a technically good job photographing waste products (poop), well, how can you give it a low score.

04/19/2005 01:08:33 AM · #18

All very good responses and valid points.

Regarding "...does it merit a 1?" type comments - everyone has their own way of weighting the scoring. Some think "Meets the challenge" is extremely important, some think photographic technique or technical details are the most important, some think the emotional impact (positive or negative) has the most value. NONE of these values or methods are wrong. I sometimes do put the most weight on my gut reaction to a photo and may give it a 1 (or a 10) primarily for that. I know that others do this as well and I don't have a problem with it.

I also can agree with Pawdrix's comment about the site working generally well and I would be against mucking with it too much. I can live with it the way it is, just wanted to get some others' reactions and comments.

For the record, not much offends me, but occasionally something does. It will more often be the case that I offend others with my entries - and from that perspective, I wouldn't mind letting them pass on voting rather than just giving it a 1.

Thanks for all the comments. At least now you can say "That has already been discussed" when the subject comes up again. :)

HBunch

HP PhotoSmart 315

04/19/2005 01:10:05 AM · #19

Originally posted by sfalice:

A good example of this would be the 'garbage' challenge. A very difficult challenge to vote on.

04/19/2005 01:11:00 AM · #20

Originally posted by sfalice:

I think I'll be sitting out the Poop challenge...

04/19/2005 01:15:32 AM · #21

Originally posted by sfalice:

since we're talking about meeting the challenge here, if the challenge is to photograph poop, and someone does a technically good job photographing waste products (poop), well, how can you give it a low score.

Now that you've revealed my "Free Study" entry... ;-)

Again, I would just say that the subject matter is part of what people are voting on.