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04/18/2005 10:59:36 PM · #1
I remember there was some discussion awhile back about making the rules state that a border goes all the way around the photograph evenly, or something to that effect. At this point, are letterbox/panorama borders legal? That is, where the border is on the top and bottom of the picture only? For example:



(without the text of course)
04/18/2005 11:01:13 PM · #2
Yes, it's legal. In order to clearly qualify as a border, and not added space in the photo, it should be recognizable as such. In your example, it certainly is, IMO.
09/20/2006 10:32:29 PM · #3
Just dredging this one up again rather than starting a new thread....

to verify, it is legal to expand the canvas, so long as it is CLEARLY intended to be a border and not an extension of the photo. Am I correct? So if I crop the photo to a 16:9 ratio, then extend the canvas to a 4:3 ratio, I am within the basic & advanced ruleset?
09/20/2006 10:38:14 PM · #4
Originally posted by larryslights:

Just dredging this one up again rather than starting a new thread....

to verify, it is legal to expand the canvas, so long as it is CLEARLY intended to be a border and not an extension of the photo. Am I correct? So if I crop the photo to a 16:9 ratio, then extend the canvas to a 4:3 ratio, I am within the basic & advanced ruleset?

Yes, that's fine : )
09/20/2006 11:49:31 PM · #5
I agree it's legal, but wonder why you'd use this border technique. It will seem odd to some voters (and oddness tends to depress scores). Maybe you've got the perfect image that would be enhanced by this type border but I am at a loss as to the type of image such a border would enhance.

Letter box (i.e. the video format) arises because theatre screen formats (16 x 9 I think?) won't fit completely on a normal 4 x 3 TV screen. Since you can format your photo for DPC without the letter box border, adding the letter box border seems a little like using a qwerty keyboard to slow down typing speed when no one uses typewriters any more.

No disrespect here, and certainly none intended. But I'm a little mystified by the question.

Message edited by author 2006-09-20 23:50:40.
09/21/2006 12:01:43 AM · #6
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

... [it] seems a little like using a qwerty keyboard to slow down typing speed when no one uses typewriters any more.

... and yet the vast majority of keyboards still follow this antiquated convention, instead of the Dvorak layout or any other more sensible system ... : )

I often use a non-proportional border to make images I want to print fit standard paper sizes, and to add captions and such ...
09/21/2006 12:21:34 AM · #7
Beware the Border Police. They rule with an iron mouse.
09/21/2006 12:22:54 AM · #8
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

I agree it's legal, but wonder why you'd use this border technique. It will seem odd to some voters (and oddness tends to depress scores). Maybe you've got the perfect image that would be enhanced by this type border but I am at a loss as to the type of image such a border would enhance.

Letter box (i.e. the video format) arises because theatre screen formats (16 x 9 I think?) won't fit completely on a normal 4 x 3 TV screen. Since you can format your photo for DPC without the letter box border, adding the letter box border seems a little like using a qwerty keyboard to slow down typing speed when no one uses typewriters any more.

No disrespect here, and certainly none intended. But I'm a little mystified by the question.


Yes, letterboxing arises from the aspect ratio of theater screens. Most movies these days are either 1.85:1 or 2.35:1, much different from the 16x9 on widescreen TVs. The 16x9 came up as the common area between 1.85:1, 2.35:1, and I believe 1.33:1, which is standard TV. So those movies on your widescreen tv at 16x9 are still cropped on top and bottom.

Just another piece of useless trivia, but way back movies used to be in 1.33:1 just like standard TV. The movie companies widened the format to draw people away from their new TVs back into the movie theaters.
09/21/2006 02:09:58 AM · #9
Originally posted by Dr.Confuser:

I agree it's legal, but wonder why you'd use this border technique. It will seem odd to some voters (and oddness tends to depress scores). Maybe you've got the perfect image that would be enhanced by this type border but I am at a loss as to the type of image such a border would enhance.


Yep. I've seen a few challenge entries that I've thought have been ruined by them, though.

Maybe if you need to add a caption, then yeah, but normally you can't do that here.

Otherwise I mostly find them distracting. Of course for every me there's two other people who think they are the best thing ever.
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