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04/13/2005 06:48:18 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:
There's one shot of a building that I can't imagine would be abandoned. I still scored it as though it were abandoned, though. |
Just food for thought here.
It was NOT abandoned as I thought.
Guess there would be no telling if any are or not, so all are as far as I'm concerned. |
Brad, I left you a comment. Nice photo.
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04/13/2005 06:50:54 AM · #27 |
Most any challenge can be considered tedious and lacking variety. I often chose not to participate or vote on challenges that are that way.
Use your power of choice... if you think there is nothing to see here, just move along:)
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04/13/2005 07:12:49 AM · #28 |
I haven't had a chance to look at the photos yet - having dial-up I find it necessary to go to the local library with its high speed connection to speed things up.
As for being a dick, maybe he is and maybe he isn't but I have to admire someone who is willing to piss off a lot of people in public. Discourse is usually too polite. And you know what polite discourse leads to - fomulaic sit-coms.
Originally posted by Marjo:
Gosh, crank20. Can you tell us how you really feel? ;)
I'd say you're feeling brave tonight. Picking a fight with 500!
Sounds to me like it's a personal preference thing and maybe you shouldn't vote this challenge.
adding: I'm not one of the 500...just jumpin' in where I don't belong. :D |
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04/13/2005 07:59:21 AM · #29 |
If a building looks like it's still being maintained then it's hard to say it is abandoned. It may not be occupied, but it hasn't been abandoned. Abandoned means deserted; forsaken.
bear_music (Robt) voiced a similar comment in another thread a few days ago...now I have to find it. ;^)
In your example Brad, the focus of the photo looks like an attached building or partition of some form to the larger one in the background. Was it not abandoned in that it was being used for storage or something? I agree, by itself it certainly looks abandoned - must be abused or neglected instead?
Originally posted by BradP:
Originally posted by bryanbrazil:
There's one shot of a building that I can't imagine would be abandoned. I still scored it as though it were abandoned, though. |
Just food for thought here.
It was NOT abandoned as I thought.
Guess there would be no telling if any are or not, so all are as far as I'm concerned. |
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04/13/2005 08:00:20 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by zarniwoop:
I'm leaving far more comments on this challenge than ever before. Maybe it's just because the challenge appeals to me, but I also think that there are very few exceptionally bad or good photos in this challenge. Most of them are pretty good but could be better, and of course I know exactly how to make them better. I may even tell you. |
I too, am leaving way more comments then ever have before. There are a lot of "middle of the road" images, and a few standouts. I really enjoy the ones that are a little different in their own way from the others. I am disappointed by the ones that have small buildings and big spectacular sunsets. They are not getting good scores from me. This is a challenge about buildings, not their surroundings...!
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04/13/2005 09:14:53 AM · #31 |
| IMO, abandonned buildings are very interesting to look at, I think this is a great challenge & is reflected in the high number of submissions. Of course, I also like post-apocalyptic movies with abandonned cities & such. Probably stems from my fear of crowds. |
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04/13/2005 09:24:45 AM · #32 |
| I like this challenge, but there are an extraordinary number of tiny photos submitted. It's very hard to vote on those! |
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04/13/2005 09:33:50 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Try doing a 48-hour "screening" vote with levels 1-2-3-4-5, and the top 25% go on to a 5-day regular voting period? This, or some variation of it, might work...
Robt. |
i think thats a good way to do it. 48hour session that bumps those who won't make the top 25% or 45% (depending on the total number of entries).
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04/13/2005 09:51:34 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by ClickNSee:
I am disappointed by the ones that have small buildings and big spectacular sunsets. They are not getting good scores from me. This is a challenge about buildings, not their surroundings...! |
Lets, everyone of us 500, shoot the same shot. Maybe we could define challenge requirements so that everyone wouldn't have to look at shots which don't fit into their "definition"? ( external shot of building must fill the frame, camera height must be 5' off the ground exactly, focal length must be 35mm, etc. ad nausem). Sorry, but I really enjoy looking at all different types of shots; other people's interpretations of the challenge.
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04/13/2005 09:58:20 AM · #35 |
Well, mine is certainly different from most I've seen in a first cursory look without voting.
I am beginning to find the basic rule-set highly restricting in processing, even with advantages that RAW conversion allows. There are areas of my shot that I could have 'developed' properly if allowed some selection, instead of which I am forced to present a lower-quality image than I would have liked - just as in the 'in the beginning' challenge. I no longer understand the point of the basic rules.
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04/13/2005 10:09:17 AM · #36 |
Jeepers people lighten up. Crank is only making an observation - and he has a point. Actually I wasn't even happy with mine - but I had sooo many shots to choose from and I accidently assumed it was advanced editing - got 3 shots ready then realized I couldn't enter them. Many of my best shots needed advanced editing - had I entered one of them with mere basic editing it would have been nit-picked to death - so I chose the least mundane of the mundane.
Actually some of the over-processed pics deserve notice in this challenge. But I was rather surprised myself - Some of the pics might have looked better with some cropping too.
I did enjoy this challenge - I found it difficult -easy to find subjects, but difficult to get the right angle, to compose in an exciting way, to get proper readings - contrast problems, avoiding overblown highlights, weather and lighting difficulties - Loved it - it was frustrating but I learned a lot. It was spooky too - hanging out at abandoned buildings. My husband was a bit concerned.
Also - I could be incorrect with this assumption - but I find with some challenges - I'm working quickly - time conflicts and other responsibilities - then try to pick 2 or 3 out of hundreds - and then spend time fooling with them (even with just basic ed.) - These things seem to effect my challenge pics - and maybe with certain challenges affect us as a group? I mean - if this challenge had been slotted in a different week - it could have completely changed the offerings and the quality. I just get the impression that many folks were rushed with this challenge - including myself - And then some weeks, as a group, we have less on our plates, hence more time for careful shooting.
Thanks for letting me carry on so. |
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04/13/2005 10:13:33 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by totaldis:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Try doing a 48-hour "screening" vote with levels 1-2-3-4-5, and the top 25% go on to a 5-day regular voting period? This, or some variation of it, might work...
Robt. |
i think thats a good way to do it. 48hour session that bumps those who won't make the top 25% or 45% (depending on the total number of entries). |
Not to sound like I'm criticizing anyone's voting method, BUT... If you do a "screening" vote, PLEASE make sure you NEVER leave that vote in place without reviewing it. Otherwise, your "3" that really means "5 or 6" is very unfairly impacting the score and placement of someone's perfectly innocent photo. This is rather unfair if you "update" half of your scores to the correct number but leave the other half "undone".
Yes, I know, one vote doesn't really change anything, but I'm seeing this voting technique being advocated in several places on the site as time goes on, and personally I think it runs the risk of being unfair in the event that the voter does not COMPLETELY duplicate the voting process. It makes no sense to me, as well, how this saves any time. One trip through 500 images is plenty for me. :)
As I said, not meaning to be critical, just bringing up what I feel is a viewpoint worth considering. |
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04/13/2005 10:32:57 AM · #38 |
This is something I shot the day after I had already entered. I was torn between the two.
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04/13/2005 10:40:07 AM · #39 |
Originally posted by crank2o:
What marks all those challenges as different from this one, is that you had A LOT of room for creative interpretation via the topic.
All I meant with this thread is that there are a limited number of ways of taking a picture of virtually the same thing...a thing which is also difficult to make aesthetically pleasing, at that. |
Hey, the more limited the challenge is in what you can photograph, the more challenging it is. Look at the rubber ducky challenge that just ended, where the subject matter was prescribed to a T - still, lots of variation.
Making your photo stand out in a sea of similar shots is more challenging that taking a technically good shot or even one that is well composed. Challenges like this one are daunting - they have huge numbers of entries, are a pain to vote on, and the process is mind-numbing. But, for the winner, it is a sweet victory, as it will take lots of skill and expertise to rise to the top. A person's creativity is more evident under strict limitations than under utter freedom.
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04/13/2005 12:14:44 PM · #40 |
Is it me or do a lot of the shots seem a little soft on the focus??
For some reason with this challenge too - I had trouble getting my photo down to 150 kb. I ended up not using the version I wanted - 154 was the lowest I could get it, so I had to use a different version of the same shot. |
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04/13/2005 12:38:49 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by orussell:
This is something I shot the day after I had already entered. I was torn between the two. |
I left a comment. Nice photo.
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04/13/2005 01:34:02 PM · #42 |
| Perhaps one way to cut down the number of entries each week would be for a qualification rule. Say the top 80% would qualify for the next weeks challenge and the bottom 20% that did not show effort would not qualify and have to sit out one week. This would provide incentive to think twice before entering those goofball marginal shots... |
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04/13/2005 01:49:41 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by clicker:
Perhaps one way to cut down the number of entries each week would be for a qualification rule. Say the top 80% would qualify for the next weeks challenge and the bottom 20% that did not show effort would not qualify and have to sit out one week. This would provide incentive to think twice before entering those goofball marginal shots... |
I think that would be a very bad idea.
What's important to one, may not be to another. Sometimes a shot means something special to the person that submits it, and they want it in their permanent portfolio. BTDT
If a "goofball" shot is a user's best, then so be it. If they are proud of it, then by all means it should be allowed.
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04/13/2005 01:52:46 PM · #44 |
But then you would have 20% of the 80% (non goofballs) being cut out of the following week. Don't know - sounds a bit goofy to me! ;^)
Actually, I remember a forum post not too long ago (within the last 6 wks or so) where someone was commenting on how the number of entries seemed to be declining. 500 entries appears to be a bit unusual. The last open challenge has something like 265...
Originally posted by clicker:
Perhaps one way to cut down the number of entries each week would be for a qualification rule. Say the top 80% would qualify for the next weeks challenge and the bottom 20% that did not show effort would not qualify and have to sit out one week. This would provide incentive to think twice before entering those goofball marginal shots... |
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04/13/2005 01:54:41 PM · #45 |
| Far too many entries to look at objectively. How about entry eligibilty increases in direct proportion with the amount of comments you give. Two birds with one stone? |
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04/13/2005 02:08:55 PM · #46 |
OK.
How's that for a comment? That's what you would start seeing more of.
Originally posted by Ivo:
Far too many entries to look at objectively. How about entry eligibilty increases in direct proportion with the amount of comments you give. Two birds with one stone? |
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04/13/2005 02:18:11 PM · #47 |
I have voted on 38% so far. Either I am not seeing the tedium or I like abandoned buildings. Or both. :) There are the usual percentage of shots that look like no regard was taken for composition or focus but there are also quite a few I have scored 8 and 9. I won't give out 10s until I see them all. That is usually when I adjust and comment.
I don't understand why they can't be looked at objectively. Is it in focus? Is it composed well? Do the colors or tones work with the subject? Is the subject an abandoned building? Once that is done, do I like it? Did it make me go WOW?
Just like any other challenge... :)
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04/13/2005 02:22:12 PM · #48 |
Call me insane but I just finished looking at and voting on every single picture in the challenge...there were alot of middle of the road pictures, I'm sure I'll move some up, quite a few stars and only a few well below the average in my opinion. I have to say I did get tired of looking at broken down barns, some of the pictures were so similar. I'm thinkin' there will be alot of DQ's with this challenge, I saw quite a few that were a bit beyond "basic".
Message edited by author 2005-04-13 15:00:34. |
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04/13/2005 02:23:36 PM · #49 |
You have stamina, ambition and an unuasual appreciation for decaying structures. An idealist! Far too few of us around. I went through them all last night till 2AM. I really need to get a life!
Originally posted by dahkota:
I have voted on 38% so far. Either I am not seeing the tedium or I like abandoned buildings. Or both. :) There are the usual percentage of shots that look like no regard was taken for composition or focus but there are also quite a few I have scored 8 and 9. I won't give out 10s until I see them all. That is usually when I adjust and comment.
I don't understand why they can't be looked at objectively. Is it in focus? Is it composed well? Do the colors or tones work with the subject? Is the subject an abandoned building? Once that is done, do I like it? Did it make me go WOW?
Just like any other challenge... :)
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04/13/2005 02:37:55 PM · #50 |
GADZOOKS.....another thought that may or may not be mine but YES.......a thought nonetheless. On the first go around, we should be able to bookmark our top choices without having to grade them right away. Better use of time and voting ambition. This should be a very simple fix......or so I think. LETS PUT IT TO A VOTE!
Power to the Cyber Population!! |
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