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04/05/2005 09:13:42 AM · #51 |
Crazy is a very accurate description, LOL. Over 1/3 of the images in the challenge have had a DQ request!
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04/05/2005 09:21:32 AM · #52 |
| So we started with 126, and now there are 110. Any more to go? is the big question. |
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04/05/2005 10:18:29 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by tristalisk:
I've requested 5 DQ's already. The SC should be going insane by now with all of the DQ requests. LOL I think the jokes on them. I did however see a lot of great shots considering the requirement for the challenge. |
Indeed. I'm very glad that we don't DQ for not meeting the challenge on a regular basis! |
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04/05/2005 10:34:02 AM · #54 |
So was it mine dq-ed cause the grapes were too white?
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04/05/2005 12:07:58 PM · #55 |
Originally posted by Tiberius:
So was it mine dq-ed cause the grapes were too white? |
If I remember right, yes. White grapes. Also saw that you requested a DQ for 'non blue background' and normally I wouldn't be specific, but the background is very clearly solid blue, so I don't know if your monitor is having an issue or what, but definately something you might want to check out. Hope this helps. |
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04/05/2005 01:26:51 PM · #56 |
Thanks!
I am not really upset
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Also saw that you requested a DQ for 'non blue background' |
I have never requested a DQ! At least not in this challenge!
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04/05/2005 01:32:26 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by Tiberius:
Thanks!
I am not really upset
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Also saw that you requested a DQ for 'non blue background' |
I have never requested a DQ! At least not in this challenge! |
Argh! Egad, that message was meant for tristalisk. Wrong darn goofy T name. Sorry. |
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04/05/2005 01:37:31 PM · #58 |
Originally posted by Tallbloke:
Hang on!
My duck wasn't "rubber" either, probably more like polyurethane, as I suspect 99% of the others were
DQ requests all round methinks
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I agree, I'm very certain that almost none of the entries has a real rubber duck. Most I can find are made of some cheap plastick or fake rubber. Not the real stuff.
DQ request for all! :þ
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04/05/2005 01:41:58 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by hbunch7187:
Argh! Egad, that message was meant for tristalisk. Wrong darn goofy T name. Sorry. |
That's OK!
On the other hand my daughter is upset that her duck got DQ-ed.
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04/05/2005 02:17:51 PM · #60 |
Originally posted by mk:
Indeed. I'm very glad that we don't DQ for not meeting the challenge on a regular basis! |
Perhaps we should...
Too many times we see photos, replete with astounding vistas, that have not even a remote connection to the challenge. If we are to have rules, then it is incumbent upon us to adhere to them.
Just a thought...
Ray
Message edited by author 2005-04-05 14:18:59. |
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04/05/2005 02:20:20 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by mk:
Indeed. I'm very glad that we don't DQ for not meeting the challenge on a regular basis! |
Perhaps we should...
Too many times we see photos, replete with astounding vistas, that have not even a remote connection to the challenge. If we are to have rules, then it is incumbent upon us to adhere to them.
Just a thought...
Ray |
Well, we could. But then every challenge would have to be as specific as the duck one. |
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04/05/2005 02:25:34 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by mk:
Indeed. I'm very glad that we don't DQ for not meeting the challenge on a regular basis! |
Perhaps we should...
Too many times we see photos, replete with astounding vistas, that have not even a remote connection to the challenge. If we are to have rules, then it is incumbent upon us to adhere to them.
Just a thought...
Ray |
Well, we could. But then every challenge would have to be as specific as the duck one. |
Not in the least... If you peruse my comments again you will note that I said "have not even a remote connection to the challenge" and as such these should be readily discernable.
What I am suggesting here is that in those instances where the submitter had an utter disregard for the rules, that there be a vehicle which would enable a DQ.
Ray |
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04/05/2005 02:47:00 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
What I am suggesting here is that in those instances where the submitter had an utter disregard for the rules, that there be a vehicle which would enable a DQ. |
Meeting the challenge is the goal, but it's not a rule. A low score should be sufficient punishment for failure. |
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04/05/2005 02:49:52 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
What I am suggesting here is that in those instances where the submitter had an utter disregard for the rules, that there be a vehicle which would enable a DQ. |
Meeting the challenge is the goal, but it's not a rule. A low score should be sufficient punishment for failure. |
I agree. And, as MK seems to be saying, unless the challenge descriptions are painfully specific, "utter disregard for the rules" could be subjective and very much open to interpretation and debate. |
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04/05/2005 03:17:20 PM · #65 |
I guess we could discuss this "ad infinitum", but I am of the opinion that not meeting the rules does not seem a serious transgression and is seldom penalized with a low score.
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04/05/2005 03:22:29 PM · #66 |
My ducky was DQâd rather early on. The DQ notice only implied that I somehow violated the rule that the submission must include âexactly five green grapes.â Judging from some of the comments, I am guessing that someone thought that my grapes looked like green painted peanuts of all things.
I am not going to complain except to say that under the doctrine of âreasonable doubtâ my âgrapesâ could very well have been older grapes on their way to raisnland.
Overall, however, I am very heartened to see that there were so many DQs for this particular challenge. It pleases me to see that there are still many out there who, unlike sheep, are willing to explore the edge of the envelope and donât mind indulging in a bit of civil disobedience now and then.
Happy April fools day and good shooting to all.
Dick
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04/05/2005 03:29:15 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by dickwilhelm:
It pleases me to see that there are still many out there who, unlike sheep, are willing to explore the edge of the envelope and donât mind indulging in a bit of civil disobedience now and then.
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I resent being called a sheep just because I:
a) am capable of following directions
b) am capable of being creative within the confines of given specifics
c) am mature enough not to feel this burning desire to "rebel" against any and all types of authority. |
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04/05/2005 03:33:31 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Beetle:
I resent being called a sheep just because I:
a) am capable of following directions
b) am capable of being creative within the confines of given specifics
c) am mature enough not to feel this burning desire to "rebel" against any and all types of authority. |
Woohoo! |
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04/05/2005 03:46:05 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...not meeting the rules does not seem a serious transgression and is seldom penalized with a low score. |
Not meeting the challenge is not the same as not adhering to the rules. Nowhere in the rules does it say you HAVE to meet the challenge. The only thing that comes close is a note to the voters, who are "asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." Technically, if an image does not meet the challenge in any way (a subjective call) and still gets a 10, it's the voter who has broken the rules, not the photographer. |
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04/05/2005 03:53:24 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...not meeting the rules does not seem a serious transgression and is seldom penalized with a low score. |
Not meeting the challenge is not the same as not adhering to the rules. Nowhere in the rules does it say you HAVE to meet the challenge. The only thing that comes close is a note to the voters, who are "asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." Technically, if an image does not meet the challenge in any way (a subjective call) and still gets a 10, it's the voter who has broken the rules, not the photographer. |
It does for this challenge! |
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04/05/2005 03:56:55 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by scalvert:
Nowhere in the rules does it say you HAVE to meet the challenge. |
It does for this challenge! |
Well, yeah, but Ray was talking about all challenges in general... "Too many times we see photos, replete with astounding vistas, that have not even a remote connection to the challenge. If we are to have rules, then it is incumbent upon us to adhere to them. " |
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04/05/2005 04:14:15 PM · #72 |
It was in this thread: Once again..., I tried to ask the same kind of question.
How far does latitude or artistic interpretation go?
Message edited by author 2005-04-05 16:14:54. |
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04/05/2005 04:21:56 PM · #73 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
...not meeting the rules does not seem a serious transgression and is seldom penalized with a low score. |
Not meeting the challenge is not the same as not adhering to the rules. Nowhere in the rules does it say you HAVE to meet the challenge. The only thing that comes close is a note to the voters, who are "asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly." Technically, if an image does not meet the challenge in any way (a subjective call) and still gets a 10, it's the voter who has broken the rules, not the photographer. |
You are absolutely right in your assertion ... and I stand corrected.
Perhaps my problem stems from the fact that I lend to much importance to what I perceive to be the primary objective of a challenge... namely to attempt to take a photo that does indeed "Meet the Challenge"
I am still in a learning mode (very slow and painful) but in time I will learn not to be so restrictive in my interpretations.
I was wrong,,, and in all probability it won't be the last time either.
Ray
Message edited by author 2005-04-05 16:23:09. |
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04/05/2005 04:35:04 PM · #74 |
Ray,
I'm not trying to call you "wrong"--for me everything is up for debate, after all.
But, the primary objective for a challenge probably differs from one to another. For me, the primary objective is to learn to take better photos.
In addition, I hope to have fun. I use challenge topics as a reason to take my camera out of the bag when nothing else is around to inspire me.
On the other side of challenges, I learn a great deal from those I may not have entered. Observing and commenting on others' photos is its own challenge and learning experience. |
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04/05/2005 04:40:36 PM · #75 |
Originally posted by BradP:
It was in this thread: Once again..., I tried to ask the same kind of question.
How far does latitude or artistic interpretation go? |
I read that thread, Brad, and I know just what you mean. I think I've posted my opinion in threads also regarding the "meets the challenge" issue.
My opinion is that it's probably good not to make it a DQ factor and just let the voters weight the challenge factor however they want to. I don't think people understand the difference between "voting" and "judging" - voters here have no special qualifications and are entitled to vote any way they want.
All that said, I agree with KaDi that it is a learning experience and should be just that for both photographers AND voters.
my two cents. |
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