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04/06/2005 04:41:23 AM · #51 |
This thread seems quite productive, ask yourself this simple question, have you got emotionally attached to the points raised in this thread - if yes then photojournalism is not for you.
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04/06/2005 05:14:38 AM · #52 |
OMG! I read through this entire post - I think this thread should die (like the close friends of the original poster - oh wait, that's not what happened).
Unbelievable. |
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04/06/2005 06:03:48 AM · #53 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
OMG! I read through this entire post - I think this thread should die (like the close friends of the original poster - oh wait, that's not what happened).
Unbelievable. |
What a coincidence this thread started on April fools day and ran concurrent with the cemetery challenge... yes it is dead and buried. |
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04/06/2005 07:07:24 AM · #54 |
Wow, lots of deep, strong, emotional, voices here. I have only been shooting photography as a hobby and I can see that everything that has been mentioned here matters in all situations... This should not die and it should not be taking as a Aprils fools joke. We are faced with who knows what everyday around the world. The jobs in photography is growing and there is way to much work out there for photographers to be picky about... The world today is changing with technology. If people don't accept it like they didn't back when tv's and radio broadcasted crazy entertainers or anything out of the ordinary that might be against ones morals standards then its not gonna be looked over none at all anyways.. It will probably be shown 10 times as much just because everyone in the world is going by what they hear, rumors, or what has been written about. The world is also starting to accept a spy cam or security cam can be taking your photo anywhere once you have stepped foot out of the door from your home. With out this technology we can not catch the bad guys that have committed crime, we can not change poverity, and we can not share good news across the globe... Its gonna be hard wether its good or bad I think... But if your truely passionate about this and you want to continue then you will defanetly have to remember that what ever you do there are consiquences for everything.... Like the paparazi get punched in the face or their gear smashed by an angry entertainer all people have feelings and the right to say I dont want my photo taking .. Thats when that line is drawn and if you can't catch it or read into when the time is ok then sometimes things like your friends being mad will happen. Really though if they are your true friend and they really know who you are they will accept that you are doing a job... Maybe though if your communication is there another #1 imporntant matter in the world today then you will be able to assure them any reason for taking a picture. Do what Coolhar suggested
Two suggestions
1. After the dust settles have a staff meeting of your colleagues at the paper, lay it all out including the emotional ups & downs you have endured, and see how that group feels about the things you are having such a hard time with.
2. Make a copy of this thread and put it in a big envelpoe. Put in some copies of the shots you took, whatever stories the paper ran, and a few pages of notes containing your personal feelings during this time. Seal it up and keep it safe. Open it up and read it over in about 15 years. It will give you a unique insight into youself.
Its ok to do what you are doing there is no law aginst it yet... unless some may bring up the issues of privacy and privacy to me is behind my own closed doors, if I am in the nude, and noone ever around me better make a child under adult age become a victim of porn. Big brother eye is watching too wether we like it or know about it... Society is more opt to tell like kids tatal telling when they see or smell fishy things.. ... I guess some of the reasons why I would like to take my hobby to another level is because of a series of events like America 24/7 , 9/11 , the Tsunami tragedy , many more and now World photo day is coming up ... The new saying about photographers is that We are changing the world through the eyes of photographers.. -not sure if I got that right or make since ---but anyways.. It is also to all in what you want to do... If you don't feel right then dont do it and if people complain well do what you did in this thread and let yourself be heard or sit back and do nothing at all... Hey I wish I could go back already and so you will too even when you are fresh into the 30's feeling young still...If you dont take anyones advice about anything at all atleast test yourself and try to overcome your fears... And that is coming from making a few wrong choices or wasting time that can never be replaced..
My last big outing I went to was the grand opening at a local park.. I got ther late so I didnt have a right to jump in others way of taking photos... I tried though ... Thats when I decided to try things different by showing the other sides of the fields... Everyone in the park is the reason the park is opening... I am practicing and trying to get pictures of others in crowds...People make me feel uneasy like I shouldnt or have no right to be there.. Even the professional photographers give me a crazy feeling of being unwanted or that I am stepping on their territory.... I started facing my fears .. how much will you put yourself through to get the image you want..dont let it drive you crazy it will only take a little of that sparked passion away... I aint stopping till my heart stops and if it matters to me then thats all that matters!!
Message edited by author 2005-04-06 07:11:03.
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04/06/2005 08:25:22 AM · #55 |
In a situation like the one you were in I coudl see where deciding to take the pictures was a valid action. However, the path you chose was respectable too. While I personally would have taken the photos, you need to know that as an old guy I have developed a very "fuck you" attitude towards people who tell me not to do what I have to do. But that is my standard for myself. Were you and I on the same paper staf and you would have told me your story, I would have rewspected and supported your decision.
Don't be ashamed of giving the job back to the editor. And don't hate your friends for their reactions. Definitely don't hate yourself. You did ok.
(Sorry so disconnected here - am trying to get the boy ready for school and myself ready for work while typing.)
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04/06/2005 11:07:44 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by mffnqueen:
the guilt got to me and I had to give my camera to my editor and let her finish taking the photos...everyone is pissed off and won't speak to me (or if they do, it's to tell me what a bad person I am). |
I think your reaction was/is quite normal, certainly of anyone who's sensitive and caring enough to be human. That is why I personally would NEVER work as a PJ, except for work in editorial portraiture, ONLY.
Also, your friends are being a bit unfair and should realize not only that you were as affected by the occurrence as they were (that's why you had to hand the camera over to someone else) but, that it was part your job to do it. I believe they should actually apologize to you when all is said and done. |
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04/06/2005 11:15:16 PM · #57 |
One more thing I should say is that if I were walking around with my camera and stumbled upon a tragic accident, just seconds after it happened, my first instinct would be to help the victims, not take pictures. Even if I could profit a ton of money from them and/or it was my job to take them. I believe that my conscious to help those in needs far outweighs any contractual obligation or financial prospect.
If someone we know and love was in need of help and we later found out that a photographer (or camera crew) had been there for an hour taking pictures and doing nothing else, and they died...how would we feel? I think that in such situation most photographers would help first and take pix later. |
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04/06/2005 11:25:56 PM · #58 |
>>The event in question were the campus elections<<
You gotta be kidding! Al this BS for this??? I thought somebody had died!
Two things:
for you
1) grow up
for your friends
2) if you can't stand people taking pictures of you when you have lost Do NOT get into politics.
What a waste of web space! Really! |
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04/06/2005 11:26:06 PM · #59 |
Originally posted by digitmstr:
One more thing I should say is that if I were walking around with my camera and stumbled upon a tragic accident, just seconds after it happened, my first instinct would be to help the victims, not take pictures. Even if I could profit a ton of money from them and/or it was my job to take them. I believe that my conscious to help those in needs far outweighs any contractual obligation or financial prospect.
If someone we know and love was in need of help and we later found out that a photographer (or camera crew) had been there for an hour taking pictures and doing nothing else, and they died...how would we feel? I think that in such situation most photographers would help first and take pix later. |
Then like me you are not cut from the right cloth to make a good photojournalist. That's a good thing. I saw a video on TV a while back of a lady trapped in a car after an accident. The car caught fire and she burned to death, but someone recorded the whole incident. And was probably paid a good deal for the tape. The last thing in my mind at a time like that would have been to record the fat burning off some screaming lady. I can say without any doubt that I would have made some effort to extricate that lady from the car. No one at that scene even tried.
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04/06/2005 11:57:04 PM · #60 |
| That is what the makes the world go around. Different people with different ideals.. |
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