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03/22/2005 08:18:59 AM · #26 |
I've done a lot of photography of local bands, few of them have bought my (excellent) photos, they all love them and it ****** me off when I find out they've been using my watermarked images on desktops, flyers, etc. No respect. They all know my conditions and prices.
Having said that, I have no problem with anybody using photos of mine from DPC for their desktop. If it's also available as a print, it would be courteous to buy one though. |
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03/22/2005 08:22:49 AM · #27 |
my god, i really didn't mean to start a war on the subject. Obviously there are two schools of thoughts on the matter. I guess my 'Clever' thread idea was a very bad one...
I'm glad the 'directly' concerned users/parties are not offended, and Mario, i will gladly take on your proposition; this flatters me even more then it does you that you'd let me have a hirez version of your picture.
Kavey, i'm really sorry you feel this way and there is obviously nothing in the world that will change your mind on the subject... and i say this in the most respectful manner, but "welcome to the internet".
If i could buy the original version of 'Le Mona Lisa' from DeVinci, i would, but that's not gonna happen. But that art is Physical, if i want a desktop version, i'll download a wallpaper free from the internet. Digital Photography is Digital. It will never be physical unless you make it that way. A Windows XP Desktop is just not physical, its digital.
In the future, when i change my desktop images, i will ask permission privatly so that the concerned parties and only them know about it, and hopefully that will avoid the current fiasco.
Cheers,
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03/22/2005 08:23:50 AM · #28 |
One last thing. Please don't assume I'm holier-than-thou and never do things I myself think are over the line. I do. I'm just explaining what my opinions are on this issue and how I view it.
I appreciate your mileage may vary.
Though I'd still be annoyed if you steal my images for any use other than that which I have sanctioned without my permission.
:oP
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03/22/2005 08:26:30 AM · #29 |
Antoine
Don't take my enthusiasm to explain my views as anything other than debate and explanation of my opinion. It's not personal and nor do I feel angry or upset about any of this thread. :o)
As for the reality of the internet, I'm aware of what it's like. As I said, morals for me are not about whether I can get away with something, or even whether most other people happily get away with it, but whether I think it's right or wrong.
I've been a HEAVY user of the internet since 1991 when it was mostly about newsgroups and few decent websites existed. I know what it's like. That doesn't mean I have to like all of it!
:o)
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03/22/2005 08:55:45 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
I've been a HEAVY user of the internet since 1991 when it was mostly about newsgroups and few decent websites existed. I know what it's like. That doesn't mean I have to like all of it!
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Being overweight does not make you more qualified, I started on the 'net in '92 and I'm about 20st if you want to base your opinions on such a scale I'm clearly more qualified ;)
Darren
P.S. I agree with your comments on this thread, from the other point of view I would be flattered if someone asked my permission, so if anyone's going to use someone's image why not give them the pleasure of feeling appreciated :)
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03/22/2005 09:00:56 AM · #31 |
| I don't have internet at home and to access DPC I have to use my work pc. I sometimes save an image to my flashdrive so that I may veiw it later. I know that at the moment I have one off BradP's images at home. Its a low res image, I havn't modified it nor due I plan to. I simply hve the image so that I may inspect it closer. I use some of the shots for insparation, some for refrence, and some for learning new techniques. I never print them yet I felt as a sight geared towards learning that there wouldn't be a problem with taking some homework back to the house. |
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03/22/2005 09:03:05 AM · #32 |
Originally posted by colda:
Originally posted by Kavey:
I've been a HEAVY user of the internet since 1991 when it was mostly about newsgroups and few decent websites existed. I know what it's like. That doesn't mean I have to like all of it!
:o) |
Being overweight does not make you more qualified, I started on the 'net in '92 and I'm about 20st if you want to base your opinions on such a scale I'm clearly more qualified ;)
Darren
P.S. I agree with your comments on this thread, from the other point of view I would be flattered if someone asked my permission, so if anyone's going to use someone's image why not give them the pleasure of feeling appreciated :) |
Oh please. I didn't suggest I was more qualified or that my opinion weighed more. I responded to Antoine's comment, welcome to the internet, which implied to me that he felt my opinion stemmed from naivety about what the internet is and how it is.
I pointed out that this was not the case.
If I don't say it, don't read it in. You'll probably assume wrong.
:o)
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03/22/2005 09:14:49 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by colda:
Originally posted by Kavey:
I've been a HEAVY user of the internet since 1991 when it was mostly about newsgroups and few decent websites existed. I know what it's like. That doesn't mean I have to like all of it!
:o) |
Being overweight does not make you more qualified, I started on the 'net in '92 and I'm about 20st if you want to base your opinions on such a scale I'm clearly more qualified ;)
Darren
P.S. I agree with your comments on this thread, from the other point of view I would be flattered if someone asked my permission, so if anyone's going to use someone's image why not give them the pleasure of feeling appreciated :) |
Oh please. I didn't suggest I was more qualified or that my opinion weighed more. I responded to Antoine's comment, welcome to the internet, which implied to me that he felt my opinion stemmed from naivety about what the internet is and how it is.
I pointed out that this was not the case.
If I don't say it, don't read it in. You'll probably assume wrong.
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Sorry, I was trying to make a joke about your use of the word 'HEAVY', a career in comedy is not for me - I'll get my coat :)
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03/22/2005 09:20:25 AM · #34 |
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Being overweight does not make you more qualified, I started on the 'net in '92 and I'm about 20st if you want to base your opinions on such a scale I'm clearly more qualified ;)
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LOL
Oh my god, almost spilled my drink again! ahhhaha good want Colda. I feel the same way actually HAhahaa |
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03/22/2005 09:35:17 AM · #35 |
There's a lot of views and morals being thrown about in here, which really only apply to the person stating them don't they? Can anybody back it up with some real law, specifically involving fair use and cached images?
I can't believe how uptight a group of so called creative people are over sharing their art in such a harmless way. Threatening people? Jeeeesus.
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03/22/2005 09:58:02 AM · #36 |
Stating an opinion that doesn't agree with yours means people are uptight?
Threatening, where? I must have missed that.
And do I need to start BOLDING my smiley faces for them to be noticed? :o)
Message edited by author 2005-03-22 09:58:43.
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03/22/2005 10:19:49 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Stating an opinion that doesn't agree with yours means people are uptight? |
No, saying you'd be very pissed off at something so minor does, which is the general impression I'm getting from people in this thread. I bet you all snatch lollies off children too :P
Originally posted by Kavey:
Threatening, where? I must have missed that. |
That was Terry.
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03/22/2005 10:27:32 AM · #38 |
Well now, don't we all have our panties in a twist. I think I'll aim this thread back where RedOak started it.
This is the photo I keep on my desk top. A reminder that my husband not only is a great guy bringing home flowers and helping out with the house but he was also willing to let me make a public display of him by sitting for this.
Debi
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03/22/2005 10:35:12 AM · #39 |
"Minor" is rather subjective and dependent on your own personal opinion of the issue isn't it?
And whilst I'd be pissed off to learn someone copied my picture without my permission, I'm not saying I'm so naive that I'd waste time trying to do anything about it. It's simply a case of explaining WHY my opinions are what they are (since they seem to be in the minority) and responding to comments about the posts I have made.
I was pissed off when someone vandalised my car too. It was a local kid; there were witnesses and CCTV evidence was captured. However, the police made it clear they weren't interested in doing anything and whilst I was pissed off that doesn't mean I wasted time or energy on it once I knew their position.
And of COURSE I snatch lollies from small children. ALL LOLLIES SHOULD BE MINE, BY RIGHT!
Debi, no panties in a twist here. Expressing and debating opinion is not the same as conflict or anger. I find this fascinating and I find it interesting to try and express my point of view clearly enough that people can understand it even if they don't agree with it. My panties are just fine. Large, to account for my HEAVINESS ;o) but just fine!
:o)
Message edited by author 2005-03-22 10:36:21.
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03/22/2005 10:39:26 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Can't show you mine. I fell in love with an image I saw on the net (not on DPC) and "borrowed" it just for my desktop.
Since I figured no one would see it and it wasn't on sale and I couldn't be bothered to go to the trouble of finding out if I could use it just for use a desktop.
What a copyright theft biatch I am.
So I ain't showing you.
But it's VERY NICE!
:o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) :o) |
In this thread:
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=114931
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03/22/2005 11:08:18 AM · #41 |
Moral of the story ... don't ever say anything on t'internet : )
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03/22/2005 11:13:37 AM · #42 |
Ha ha. It's actually on the basis of that action that I decided I was wrong.
I ended up getting to know the person whose image I stole and realised it just wasn't fair.
That's why I have said your mileage may vary.
I truly think it's wrong and I know I'd be pissed off.
That person was and when they explained it I realised why!!! And they were really upset.
Message edited by author 2005-03-22 11:14:28.
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03/22/2005 11:20:22 AM · #43 |
Actually upset doesn't cover it. They were incensed.
And at first I didn't get why.
And eventually I did.
At that time I didn't have any images I was proud of myself so maybe that's why I didn't get it before.
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03/22/2005 12:01:01 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by RedOak:
If i could buy the original version of 'Le Mona Lisa' from DeVinci, i would, but that's not gonna happen. But that art is Physical, if i want a desktop version, i'll download a wallpaper free from the internet. Digital Photography is Digital. It will never be physical unless you make it that way. A Windows XP Desktop is just not physical, its digital. |
You make it sound as though there can be no property rights attached to things that are digital and not physical. Try telling that to a judge in a copyright infringement case. Or try telling Bill Gates to give back all the money people paid for Windows.
Kavey is absolutely correct. Just because you can get away with something undetected, like taking a dpc shot for wallapaer without permission, does not make it ok to do it, or legal for that matter. And even if people are flattered instead of being offended, that still does not make it the right thing to do, or legal.
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03/22/2005 12:02:13 PM · #45 |
Official proclamation
(please take the time to read)
Be it known to all on this wonderful website, that I fully expect to receive compensation should anyone be goofy enough to use any image I have shared in my porfolio or in a challenge, as a desktop wallpaper, part of a screensaver or any other private use thereof, so long as it is not represented as your own or reproduced for personal or private sale.
The images of mine on this Web Site are protected by copyright and are property of me, myself and I, herein also known as BradP. Except as specifically permitted in the paragraph above, you may not publish, reproduce, distribute, transmit, participate in the transfer or sale, create derivative works or in any way exploit these images, its contents or any portion of it without prior written permission of me, myself and I. You acknowledge that you do not acquire any ownership rights by downloading copyrighted material.
The images I have shared on this website may contain technical, typographical or other inaccuracies that will be corrected as they are discovered, at me, myself & I's sole discretion. Changes are periodically made to the information contained herein.
All images are provided are on an "AS IS" and "AS AVAILABLE" basis without any representation or endorsement made and without warranty or conditions of any kind, whether expressed or implied, including, but not limited to the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose or non-infringement.
BradP assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions in the information or other documents which are referenced by or linked to on this web site.
In no event shall BradP be liable for any damages whatsoever, whether in an action of contract, negligence or other cause of action or theory of recovery whatsoever, arising out of or in connection with the use or performance of this Web Site, including without limitation, special, indirect or consequential damages resulting from 1. Reliance on the materials presented; 2. Costs of replacement goods; 3. Loss of use, data or profits; 4. Delays or business interruptions; and 5. Any theory of liability, arising out of in connection with the use of performance of information whether or not bradP has been advised of the possibility of such damages.
These terms and conditions shall be governed by and construed in accordance with the laws of wherever you live. Disputes arising herefrom shall be exclusively subject to the jurisdiction of the wherever you live.
BradP makes no representation that information on this Web Site is appropriate or available for use in all countries, and prohibits accessing materials from territories where contents are illegal. Those who access this site do so on their own initiative and are responsible for compliance with all applicable laws.
Failure to adhere to the above terms and conditions shall grant specific permission for me, myself and I to be very disappointed and will be grounds for an ass whoopin in the form of a forum post and possible private mail to ensure it was seen, in addition to removal of any favorites I have selected of yours and possible removal as a favorite photographer of mine.
The important part:
Oh, and the compensation I expect to receive should come in the form of a hearty handshake, a hug, a smile and/or a favorite added and an email saying thanks.
Clear as mud?
ROFL
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03/22/2005 12:07:25 PM · #46 |
Clear as lollipops!
For me it's not about compensation, I have only been asked once (in memory, I AM senile) if someone could print one of my pictures, it was not available as a print. I was happy for them to do so without charge. For many of my images I'd feel similarly regarding wallpaper. But I'd want to be asked!
That said, I'm fully aware that 1000 of you could now save any of my images and use it as your wallpaper and I wouldn't be able to do a darn thing about it even if I knew! I can't imagine anyone would want to but... now that I have images that I value (a recent thing) I do better understand why it's wrong.
Before, I knew the theory of copyright but I didn't get why I should pay any attention to it!
Anyway, the answer as always, is do as you see fit according to how you see the world!
Oh, and give me your darn lollipop!
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03/22/2005 12:08:22 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Official proclamation
(please take the time to read) |
Well put - from now on all my work is covered as per the BPL (BradP Licence) :)
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03/22/2005 12:09:36 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by colda:
Originally posted by BradP:
Official proclamation
(please take the time to read) |
Well put - from now on all my work is covered as per the BPL (BradP Licence) :) |
Does that mean if I use one of your images as my wallpaper I have to hug and smile at BradP?
;o)
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03/22/2005 12:14:41 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by Kavey:
Originally posted by colda:
Originally posted by BradP:
Official proclamation
(please take the time to read) |
Well put - from now on all my work is covered as per the BPL (BradP Licence) :) |
Does that mean if I use one of your images as my wallpaper I have to hug and smile at BradP?
;o) |
Ohhh no, of course not, I would not wish that on you!
Anyway, I'm far more huggable than BradP so I expect loads of people to start using my images ;)
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03/22/2005 12:30:34 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
... Or try telling Bill Gates to give back all the money people paid for Windows. |
Finally, someone offering a practical suggestion : ) |
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