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 03/20/2005 12:36:49 PM · #1
Just a word of Caution, should you receive a Second Chance Offer via email on an Item that you were outbid on...be very careful as there are some scammers out there that will send you a second chance offer when in fact they are merely trying to get you to wire them some money via western union.

I was just notified of a second chance offer on a 70-200mm 4L that I was bidding on...looking at the email closely, seller email and method of payment did not make sense (why send money to the UK for an Item in Alabama?) I forwarded the email to eBay Security and they confirmed.

Bottom Line is that if someone offers you a second chance offer is that it will appear in your My eBay section when you log in.

Be Careful out there...

Andy


03/20/2005 12:38:45 PM · #2
Thnaks Andy. Good advice.
 03/20/2005 01:10:57 PM · #3
good catch on the lens, Andy...and a small bump for everyone.
 03/20/2005 02:14:44 PM · #4
Why is there so much scamming involved with ebay? Seems like they could do a better job of eliminating all the different ways to cheat people if they really tried.

Thanks for the heads up Andy.
 03/20/2005 02:23:44 PM · #5
There are scammers everywhere...Ebay does work to stop it but it's hard to tell who's honest and who's not.
 03/20/2005 02:30:49 PM · #6
Originally posted by coolhar:
Why is there so much scamming involved with ebay? Seems like they could do a better job of eliminating all the different ways to cheat people if they really tried.

Thanks for the heads up Andy.


e-bay does an extraordinaiuly good job of policing the scammers when you consider the volume of transactiosn they run on a daily basis. I have nothing but respect for the way they exert "due diligence". But there's no such thing as an unscammable system.

Robt.


03/20/2005 02:33:42 PM · #7
The fact is that scammers are attracted to eBay because it's wildly successful. The more people using the site the more chance they have of finding someone who will fall for their scam.

Sad but true. And eBay do work very hard to stop these things.

John
 03/20/2005 05:40:38 PM · #8
Scammers sank an auction I had running last month. They started mailing out the second chance offers on a camera I was selling before the auction was even finnished. It seems now if you are selling any high ticket item it might be better to just keep the identity of the bidders private to keep anyone from contacting them.
 03/21/2005 09:31:31 AM · #9
*Bump* for the morning crew...

And a I finally said screw it and quit messing around trying to get the 70-200mm 4L on eBay and picked up a new one for full price at the local shop yesterday. What a Lens!
 03/21/2005 09:44:12 AM · #10
i got an ebay email the other saying that my account was suspended and that i could not buy or sell..than they wanted me to sign in to settle the matter by making sure my account info was correct, I never signed in because my account is working fine so i figured it was a scam..
 03/21/2005 10:09:54 AM · #11
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i got an ebay email the other saying that my account was suspended and that i could not buy or sell..than they wanted me to sign in to settle the matter by making sure my account info was correct, I never signed in because my account is working fine so i figured it was a scam..


report that to eBay so that they can stop the scam. I have gotten similar ones form paypal as well - if you look at the link they want you to go to, it is NOT the right place.

Also, ANY contact to sell an item 'outside' of an ebay auction (second chance or similar) is against the eBay rules - turn in the person to ebay. I have seen auctions set with a ridiculaous reserve, no one wins, and hte seller then contacts the bidders to buy outside of eBay, saving the seller the eBay fees, etc.
 03/21/2005 10:15:36 AM · #12
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


report that to eBay so that they can stop the scam.


And another one will take its place the minute it's shut down. I stopped wasting my time reporting to Safe Harbour. They need to find a way to close the holes while still keeping eBay accessable to honest buyers and sellers.
 03/21/2005 10:22:27 AM · #13
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


report that to eBay so that they can stop the scam.


And another one will take its place the minute it's shut down. I stopped wasting my time reporting to Safe Harbour. They need to find a way to close the holes while still keeping eBay accessable to honest buyers and sellers.


I am gonna come and commit crimes in your hood dude - apparetnly you are very apathetic and will allow me rape murder and pillage without consequence.
Now then, where is it you keep that Mk II when you go to the store?

While we are not all the Police, we are still respnsible adults and should exert some effort to make the planet a better place. Unless the scammer emails an ebay employee, it is us that needs to tell the authorities about it.

"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."
 03/21/2005 10:29:29 AM · #14
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:


"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."


That is good.

The only way I buy off of ebay is if they accept Paypal and have buyer protection. Also good to look at their ratings and read the negative ones. That is my piece of advice.
 03/21/2005 01:18:50 PM · #15
Originally posted by bear_music:
... e-bay does an extraordinaiuly good job of policing the scammers when you consider the volume of transactiosn they run on a daily basis. I have nothing but respect for the way they exert "due diligence". But there's no such thing as an unscammable system.

I disagree. I think e-bay does an extraordinarily poor job of policing scammers and unscrupulous users. They were late to the game in getting started on security, only began to take it seriously when the media brought attention to the scams and they feared it would eat into profits. Just as with their customer service they spend as little as they can reasonably get by with on security. Being large and handling many transaction is no excuse for operating a system so prone to abuse. In a way, it reminds one of Microsoft's excuses about all the holes in Windows and Internet Explorer.
03/21/2005 01:25:29 PM · #16
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
I am gonna come and commit crimes in your hood dude - apparetnly you are very apathetic and will allow me rape murder and pillage without consequence.
Now then, where is it you keep that Mk II when you go to the store?

"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."


The camera and 3 L lenses are sitting behind the seat of my truck with the doors unlocked and the keys in the ignition. You're welcome to try.

We have our own justice down here and it has little to do with reporting anything to the police. And what has this subject to do with taking away the blacks and the Jews?

Message edited by author 2005-03-21 13:26:33.
 03/21/2005 01:53:06 PM · #17
I just received a similiar scam from PayPal. I haven't sold anything on eBay or otherwise in a while, but the scam was the person "sent me $52.00" - I didn't click on the link provided with the notice. Instead, I logged onto PayPal with a different browser and checked... no money... the person was just trying to get my PayPal password.

03/21/2005 01:56:52 PM · #18
NEVER click a link in a e-mail. Always type in the link yourself in your browser.
 03/21/2005 02:52:33 PM · #19
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."

... And what has this subject to do with taking away the blacks and the Jews?


I've seen that quote before, wish I could remember where. It is appropriate. It speaks to what happens when people don't report things they ought to be concerned about but are too lazy; or are discouraged by no expectations of a helpful response, which is the case with e-bay..
03/21/2005 03:20:56 PM · #20
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."

... And what has this subject to do with taking away the blacks and the Jews?


I've seen that quote before, wish I could remember where. It is appropriate. It speaks to what happens when people don't report things they ought to be concerned about but are too lazy; or are discouraged by no expectations of a helpful response, which is the case with e-bay..


"When they came to look for the Catholics, I said nothing, since I am not a Catholic. Then they came to look for the trade-unionists; I said nothing since I am not a trade-unionist; then they came for the Jews, and not being a Jew, I said nothing. In the end, when they came to take me away, there was no one left to raise his voice."

Martin Niemöller as quoted Elie Weisel

Robt.
 03/21/2005 03:46:52 PM · #21
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
"When they took the blacks, i was not black and said nothing. When they took the jews, i was not jewish so i said nothing. When they came to take me, no one was left to say anything."

... And what has this subject to do with taking away the blacks and the Jews?


I've seen that quote before, wish I could remember where. It is appropriate. It speaks to what happens when people don't report things they ought to be concerned about but are too lazy; or are discouraged by no expectations of a helpful response, which is the case with e-bay..


"When they came to look for the Catholics, I said nothing, since I am not a Catholic. Then they came to look for the trade-unionists; I said nothing since I am not a trade-unionist; then they came for the Jews, and not being a Jew, I said nothing. In the end, when they came to take me away, there was no one left to raise his voice."

Martin Niemöller as quoted Elie Weisel

Robt.


This is usually use in connection with amendments to the US Constitution or in some way in advocating the right to free speech or the rights of others. I̢۪ve never heard it used before referring to the lack of reporting scams on eBay. I have gotten some scam email related to eBay or Pay Pal on a daily basis for the past several years. If they haven̢۪t figured out how to deal with it by now, I doubt that any reporting that I will do can help in the least.
03/21/2005 03:57:48 PM · #22
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by bear_music:

"When they came to look for the Catholics, I said nothing, since I am not a Catholic. Then they came to look for the trade-unionists; I said nothing since I am not a trade-unionist; then they came for the Jews, and not being a Jew, I said nothing. In the end, when they came to take me away, there was no one left to raise his voice."

Martin Niemöller as quoted Elie Weisel

Robt.


This is usually use in connection with amendments to the US Constitution or in some way in advocating the right to free speech or the rights of others. I̢۪ve never heard it used before referring to the lack of reporting scams on eBay. I have gotten some scam email related to eBay or Pay Pal on a daily basis for the past several years. If they haven̢۪t figured out how to deal with it by now, I doubt that any reporting that I will do can help in the least.


The lines are most properly used to encourage a stand on principle, even if you're not "directly involved" in the events taking place. This was what Pastor Neimöller was preaching to when he first said them.

Robt.
 03/21/2005 05:10:53 PM · #23
Originally posted by nsbca7:

This is usually use in connection with amendments to the US Constitution or in some way in advocating the right to free speech or the rights of others. I̢۪ve never heard it used before referring to the lack of reporting scams on eBay. I have gotten some scam email related to eBay or Pay Pal on a daily basis for the past several years. If they haven̢۪t figured out how to deal with it by now, I doubt that any reporting that I will do can help in the least.


There is a first time for everything. As for your 'country justice', how do you hill folk keep the tobacco juice off the lenses? ;)

The attitide of "nothing i can do will matter" is the attitude of surrender, apathy and selfishness. You are a witness to a crime. You are the intended victim - these scammers are to take your money. If you want to lie there and do nothing, then do not complain about nothing being done.
03/21/2005 06:31:38 PM · #24
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by bear_music:
"When they came to look for the Catholics, I said nothing, since I am not a Catholic. Then they came to look for the trade-unionists; I said nothing since I am not a trade-unionist; then they came for the Jews, and not being a Jew, I said nothing. In the end, when they came to take me away, there was no one left to raise his voice."

Martin Niemöller as quoted Elie Weisel

Robt.


This is usually use in connection with amendments to the US Constitution or in some way in advocating the right to free speech or the rights of others. I̢۪ve never heard it used before referring to the lack of reporting scams on eBay. I have gotten some scam email related to eBay or Pay Pal on a daily basis for the past several years. If they haven̢۪t figured out how to deal with it by now, I doubt that any reporting that I will do can help in the least.


Help me out on this if I'm wrong Robert.

The Niemöller quote referenced events in Europe leading up to the Holocaust and WW II, not anything surrounding the US Constitution. But if you add African-Americans to the list of the hated, it could pass for a reference to the KKK. Is that what you were thinking about nsbca7?
 03/21/2005 06:35:25 PM · #25
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
Originally posted by nsbca7:

This is usually use in connection with amendments to the US Constitution or in some way in advocating the right to free speech or the rights of others. I̢۪ve never heard it used before referring to the lack of reporting scams on eBay. I have gotten some scam email related to eBay or Pay Pal on a daily basis for the past several years. If they haven̢۪t figured out how to deal with it by now, I doubt that any reporting that I will do can help in the least.


There is a first time for everything. As for your 'country justice', how do you hill folk keep the tobacco juice off the lenses? ;)

The attitide of "nothing i can do will matter" is the attitude of surrender, apathy and selfishness. You are a witness to a crime. You are the intended victim - these scammers are to take your money. If you want to lie there and do nothing, then do not complain about nothing being done.


I don't chew tabacc and this is flat-assed South Alabama. As far as reporting to eBay lets just say that I have done it over 50 times. They haven't put a dent in the problem or this thread wouldn't exist. They haven't offered to refund my seller's fees from the sabatoged auction and I did report that. Screw them. Let them fix their own problems.
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