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 03/18/2005 11:56:25 AM · #26
What kind of camera you need depends on what you shoot. If everybody needed a DSLR there wouldn't be so many P&S and prosumer models out there selling like hotcakes. What kind of camera you want is up to you. Don't let others tell you what to dream about, or lust after.
 03/18/2005 12:11:12 PM · #27
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
The important thing to do is to use your current camera to its max. Try to employ all of its features. Find shots which will use them. Once you do this, you will have gotten a good portion of its worth.

Eventually, a yearning will develop for the next step. Remember, many people start with the SLR and take it for granted. Those that work up to it appreciate more when it arrives. Do not be in great hurry, your developing skills will tell you when you are ready, the main thing is to exploit what you currently have and take the best images possible.


I completely agree. I really loved pushing my Optio S, then the FZ10 to it's limits. Everyone has a different path, but I feel good knowing I did my best to get everything I could out of my equipment before I upgraded.
 03/18/2005 12:27:51 PM · #28
I've had a DSLR for a year and I am in love with it. If I wouldn't damage it by sleeping with it, I would put it next to my pillow every night. I've been able to achieve things I have never been able to achieve with my former film SLR or my former digital point and shoot.

The way I see it, my D70 produces a "negative" that is poster size. A 35mm negative cannot do that. Even if they came out with a "better" camera, I'd still be very happy with my D70. It does everything a manual SLR can do, everything an automatic SLR can do, and then five times more stuff than any other camera I've ever had.

I do say though, that I am addicted to buying new lenses for it and that is becoming expensive. However, the camera body itself is perfection.
 03/18/2005 12:28:56 PM · #29
Originally posted by nicklevy:
...When you guys bought your DSLR did you start dreaming of a better one? How much do you REALLY need to spend on lenses to cover many type of photography? Is the picture quality really that better? Are there really a lot of photography that you can't shoot if you don't own a DSLR?


ΓΆ€ΒΆ Yes, to dream is easy. I've seen the ghosts of F 828s, Canon 10Ds, 20D's, Leicas, and, lately, Canon 1Ds Mark II. After looking at my real needs and comparing it to may cash flow, I acted on one of those dreams. I think it's wonderful to dream, but it's clinically obsessive to consitently chase 'em.

ΓΆ€ΒΆ A discriminate generalist would, IMO, have to spend about $ 4.000 a good basic arsenal of lenses (at the time of writing).

ΓΆ€ΒΆ Yes, the picture quality is so much better, and this is very significant if one intends to print images. The lens should also be durable and, if possible, somewhat weather-resistant.

ΓΆ€ΒΆ There's plenty of good and great photography that has come out of cameras other than DSLRs. As a matter of fact, DSLRs are comparatively costly, heavy and awquard to use. People toting somewhat lighter equipment will have opportunities a DSLR shooter burdened with L lenses, a heavy tripod and all kinds of accessories might just miss.

I also feel that most cameras have personalities, certain quirks and strengths, which can and should be exploited. Often better means no more than knowing how to employ this particular uniqueness and make it work to your advantage.

I have just bought a second Canon 10D, because I wanted a back-up camera stocked with a normal lens. I did not buy a 20D, because a) a know the 10D, b) because I do not value the technical advantages of one camera over the other enough to pay an additional $ 1000 and c) the features I would like to see in a camera are only available if I pay an additional $ 4.000.

Instead I will wait three or four or five years and likely purchase such a beast when it is a little older and less desirable by those who must always have the newest and best yesterday.

Message edited by author 2005-03-18 12:35:48.
 03/18/2005 12:40:47 PM · #30
Hi Nick,

You are kinda' in the same place I am right now. I want to be able to do so much more than I can right now, and yet know a dSLR is the only way I will be able to accomlpish it. My E-10, though dSLR in many ways, isn't and never will be. I deal with a lot of noise over ISO80, am limited to F11 and 1/640 sec, and if I need different lenses, I am stuck using adapters.

The upside to being limited, is that I think I have learned to use what I have well, and am very fluid with making it do what I want, and this in turn has been a very good learning tool, as it has pushed me to be a better photographer. It's not an egotistical thing either, as luck has been on my side more often than not.

I have actually been extremely satisfied in what I have been able to accomplish with a 5+ year old camera, and have managed to stand on the winners podium with the best equipment out there. It's kind of like a kid that bought a retired race car, and pushed his skills (and luck) and competed with all the high-dollar sponsor race teams, and wins once in a while. When the time is right, I will be upgrading when I get serious about this and join the ranks too.

When you are ready, it will happen. The equipment will help, no question about it, but the best hardware isn't a substitute for your own vision and talent.
 03/18/2005 12:53:16 PM · #31
It never stops, really. When I got my 10D I thought...wow...this is a camera I'll never grow tired of. Now, not so much. It's a fabulous camera, for sure, but I still would like a larger sensor for wide-angle work. The 17-40, 50, 70-200 and 1.4x that I use on a regular basis would work so much better at full frame, and it has always bothered me that these lenses were designed for such a system. I could swap for a 20D and a 10-22 but ulimately I'd like the other features of the 1 series cameras, too. Weatherproofing is a major concern for me. I do a lot of site visit work etc. for school and for the occasional job and if it's raining or snowing it'd be really nice to not worry about the weather and just shoot away. This would require me to trade my 70-200 f4L for the 2.8 IS version, but that's a minor concern.

I can see myself looking at either a 1D MkII or, more likely, a 1Ds MkI or maybe MkII when I graduate.
03/18/2005 02:03:54 PM · #32
I was going to buy the Rebel but decided against it for now because of the fact I just got into photography a few months back and didn't feel I was redy for that kinda purchase. I also opted against it because of the investment in lenses.

I will be ready to invest that kind of money in October but not now. By October I will have a better sense of my skills and will have determined if this is something I want to stay into. Until then I will stick with my Canon Powershot S1 IS. Besides I can buy add on lenses for it to get me through till then.

Also this is a good carry all camera. I can still use it once I buy a DSLR.

Just wanted to add my two cents.
 03/18/2005 02:31:42 PM · #33
I'm really happy to hear the Nikon D70 owners say how much they like their cameras because tonight, yes tonight, I'm taking the plunge. Around 5 p.m. this evening I should be the owner of my first DSLR - the Nikon D70 (kit), it's going to be there waiting for me when I get there. I did my research, handled the different brands in the stores, and I think this will be a good match for me. It seems easy to maneuver the settings, I can actually see them (my eyes are pretty weird these days), and it just feels really good and not overly heavy! I feel a little guilty for splurging on a new camera because I just bought my other camera last July, but I really, really want to try using DSLRs.

Ritz has a great deal right now (the stores, I don't know about online). Any camera over $600, 12 mos. financing same as cash (no interest). Because I'm very very careful with money, I don't see any problems with this plan. So ... wish me luck with my new baby!!!
 03/18/2005 02:40:26 PM · #34
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
I'm really happy to hear the Nikon D70 owners say how much they like their cameras because tonight, yes tonight, I'm taking the plunge. Around 5 p.m. this evening I should be the owner of my first DSLR - the Nikon D70 (kit), it's going to be there waiting for me when I get there. I did my research, handled the different brands in the stores, and I think this will be a good match for me. It seems easy to maneuver the settings, I can actually see them (my eyes are pretty weird these days), and it just feels really good and not overly heavy! I feel a little guilty for splurging on a new camera because I just bought my other camera last July, but I really, really want to try using DSLRs.

Ritz has a great deal right now (the stores, I don't know about online). Any camera over $600, 12 mos. financing same as cash (no interest). Because I'm very very careful with money, I don't see any problems with this plan. So ... wish me luck with my new baby!!!


Congrats, good luck and enjoy! Sorry to see another Kodak user going away though . . . I am getting lonely out here! lol
 03/18/2005 03:30:57 PM · #35
Kylie, your photos are fantastic with your DX7590. I still love Kodaks. the 6490 was my third Kodak digital. That makes me feel a little guilty for abandoning the little fella (and Kodaks in general), but with all due respect, I feel a need to broaden my horizons. Maybe I was going to turn into a camera bigot - the Archie Bunker of the camera world if I had chosen another Kodak.
 03/18/2005 03:35:37 PM · #36
Originally posted by woohoopepper:
Kylie, your photos are fantastic with your DX7590. I still love Kodaks. the 6490 was my third Kodak digital. That makes me feel a little guilty for abandoning the little fella (and Kodaks in general), but with all due respect, I feel a need to broaden my horizons. Maybe I was going to turn into a camera bigot - the Archie Bunker of the camera world if I had chosen another Kodak.


You're so sweet, thanks! You look like you are more than ready to move forward, and I wish you lots of happiness with it! Maybe someday I will be ready, too. In the meantime, I do love Kodaks also (my 3rd, too). Too bad they aren't even trying to compete in the same market Canoon and Nikon.
03/18/2005 03:39:20 PM · #37
Originally posted by di53:
When you guys bought your DSLR did you start dreaming of a better one?
Nope I'm happy with what i have

How much do you REALLY need to spend on lenses to cover many type of photography?
You can spend lots or if you're careful and watch you can save lots too. A lot of the dslrs come with very good lens on them and you can buy 2nd hand for some lens if you are careful

Is the picture quality really that better?
Depends on the photographer. You can have the very top camera but if the photographer doesn't have the ability...?

Are there really a lot of photography that you can't shoot if you don't own a DSLR
cant do MAJOR telephoto without one, you can still do telephoto with most cameras tho. Its difficult to push the limits with a non-slr camera but its possible. Look at all the great pictures from non-dslr camera on this site!

Would I buy my camera over again if i didnt have it? You betcha


I'm so happy you said that...my is being delivered this afternoon! I'm so excited!
 03/18/2005 03:52:51 PM · #38
When you guys bought your DSLR did you start dreaming of a better one?
I upgraded from a Canon Powershot S50 to a 10D about 9 months ago and I've been delighted with the 10D ever since. Sure I'd like more pixels but really I'm not that fussed about upgrading yet. Compared to my S50 this thing is godlike.

How much do you REALLY need to spend on lenses to cover many type of photography?
You can spend as little or as much as you can afford. But it's definitely the lenses that maketh the camera. The low end lenses are not terrible and will almost always out perform compact camera lenses by a fair margin. Be warned that while you might not find yourself dreaming of upgrading your camera, you might well spend a lot of time dreaming about your next lens.

Is the picture quality really that better?
Yes

Are there really a lot of photography that you can't shoot if you don't own a DSLR
If you have the appropriate lenses yes.

Would I buy my camera over again if i didnt have it?
Yes yes yes

John

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