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 02/28/2005 02:39:23 PM · #26
Originally posted by GeneralE:
BTW: a tip for when you "miss" with the crop tool on something like this is to just change the Canvas size to clip the extra pixels. Foe example, if your crop ends up 640 x 324, just set the Canvas size to 640 x 320 and you will automatically clip 2 pixels from the top and bottom (or just top or bottom depending on how you have the options set).


Thank you. This is helpful. Had I known how to do this, I would have. I was submitting a few hours before deadline and was worried I'd scwunch my picture with the method I knew. I only us PS Elements 2, so, yes, it is not particularly easy to get an exact ratio if you want to first crop and then edit. I did the best I knew how and was surprised to see the extra pixels when I uploaded.

The real question, here, has to be: "Why is this such a huge deal?" It hardly falls under flagrant mis-interpretation of the challenge description!
 02/28/2005 02:42:38 PM · #27
It is likely a newer user who has misunderstood the nature of the challenge description.

Just ignore it and don't worry about it -- it's the other person's "problem" and there's no need to make it yours.
 02/28/2005 02:43:57 PM · #28
Originally posted by GeneralE:
It is likely a newer user who has misunderstood the nature of the challenge description.

Just ignore it and don't worry about it -- it's the other person's "problem" and there's no need to make it yours.


True enough. WWIT!
=o
 02/28/2005 02:45:23 PM · #29
I've got it!! Tape the exact dimensions on your screen and evaluate the portion that falls within that area. Score the visible portion of the photo and then adjust that score to reflect the percentage of the image that feel falls within the boundries as defined by your taped screen.

I call this "Cropping" my vote.
 02/28/2005 02:49:19 PM · #30
I think you all are missing the point here, he was trying to be constructive, because in the real world if you dont do what the comapany wants then you don't get paid. . . on the other hand we all are here to just have fun, and this is not the real world, so do what you want, have fun and be creative. Don't let onw person bring you down.
 02/28/2005 02:51:39 PM · #31
Originally posted by jmoore:
I think you all are missing the point here, he was trying to be constructive, because in the real world if you dont do what the comapany wants then you don't get paid. . . on the other hand we all are here to just have fun, and this is not the real world, so do what you want, have fun and be creative. Don't let onw person bring you down.


On the contrary...........if you always do what the company wants, you'll get overlooked. I understand that as mediocrity.
 02/28/2005 02:54:01 PM · #32
Hmm, why do you think one needs to get the tape measure out to single out larger images? This is one challenge where most of the photogs picked the same size. Just open your "cast votes" page and look at the thumbnails. I haven't considered the size in my scoring (except in two cases), and only now after voting on all entries I went back and counted images that stood out in a thumbnail view - 16 of them.

Now, I am not defending voting down a photo for no reason (and not following a SUGGESTION in the challenge description is not a valid reason), but I'm just wondering if these voters read forum message threads like this one. Anyone? I'd like to hear your reasoning, if nothing else then to expand my views and learn about others'.

S. Freud :-)
 02/28/2005 02:57:01 PM · #33
sorry guys, i'm just being difficult :)

i'm in a good mood (read: feisty) and just egging people on. taking a side that i really could care less about. sf, i hear ya, hope you weren't getting too torqued at me.

btw, you've got some really nice stuff. "city life" is fantastic.

and you raise a valid point about the real world application of borders. i haven't really dealt with framing physical photos. pretty much strict photoshopper. but i know what you mean coz i used to be a project manager at an architecture firm and i used to struggle with getting the student employees to associate a line on their screen with a change in the slab elevation out in the field. and here i am in that same boat. :)

now i need to do some work

laters

(do people REALLY use the crop tool to size their images??? ;)
 02/28/2005 03:05:47 PM · #34
haha...it's cool....I'll go ten rounds with ya as long as I know it's all in good fun. :)
 02/28/2005 03:06:59 PM · #35
Originally posted by the-O-ster:


(do people REALLY use the crop tool to size their images??? ;)


If it's not in the proper aspect ratio, how else do you do it? I understand re-sizing once its cropped--that's not an issue. But can you explain (in PSE2) how it might be done?
 02/28/2005 03:10:53 PM · #36
I probably got a comment by the same person. How am I supposed to keep everything from getting distorted when I go with the suggested size?
 02/28/2005 03:13:45 PM · #37
What I usually do when I need to change ratio but i'm not sure how it will affect my composition (keep in mind, this isn't legal in basic editing):

1. Select the entire image. Copy it to the clipboard.
2. Go to Image > Canvas Size and key in the new dimensions I want. Hit Enter. It doesn't matter what the directional options are set to.
3. Paste the original image into a new layer. You can then move it around until it's composed exactly like you want it.
4. Crop the image the same size as the current canvas (to get rid of the excess).
5. Delete the bottom (original) layer.
 02/28/2005 03:16:51 PM · #38
Originally posted by KaDi:
Originally posted by the-O-ster:


(do people REALLY use the crop tool to size their images??? ;)


If it's not in the proper aspect ratio, how else do you do it? I understand re-sizing once its cropped--that's not an issue. But can you explain (in PSE2) how it might be done?


i really can't... is there no canvas size option? (image>canvas size...)

EDIT: or what sf said. not sure if its available in PSE though...

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 15:17:40.
 02/28/2005 03:18:38 PM · #39
Originally posted by sfboatright:
What I usually do when I need to change ratio but i'm not sure how it will affect my composition (keep in mind, this isn't legal in basic editing):

1. Select the entire image. Copy it to the clipboard.
2. Go to Image > Canvas Size and key in the new dimensions I want. Hit Enter. It doesn't matter what the directional options are set to.
3. Paste the original image into a new layer. You can then move it around until it's composed exactly like you want it.
4. Crop the image the same size as the current canvas (to get rid of the excess).
5. Delete the bottom (original) layer.


So how do you do it legally?

02/28/2005 03:21:40 PM · #40
Originally posted by alansfreed:
Originally posted by Ivo:
This comment must be from the same person that aligns all of their rice crispies north before they eat them in their sterile eating environment.


Geez... that sounds crazy! I always align my Rice Crispies to the South.


Hahhahhaaaa! That's where you are going wrong. Being of oriental origins, Rice Krispies should be lined up East to West. To line them up either N/S or S/N is evoke the spirits of the fields...they then get in a right paddy and make you krispies all soggy.

Steve
 02/28/2005 03:22:42 PM · #41
Originally posted by sfboatright:
What I usually do when I need to change ratio but i'm not sure how it will affect my composition (keep in mind, this isn't legal in basic editing):

1. Select the entire image. Copy it to the clipboard.
2. Go to Image > Canvas Size and key in the new dimensions I want. Hit Enter. It doesn't matter what the directional options are set to.
3. Paste the original image into a new layer. You can then move it around until it's composed exactly like you want it.
4. Crop the image the same size as the current canvas (to get rid of the excess).
5. Delete the bottom (original) layer.


Surely you resize the image to the long dimension before you do this? :-) Be a pretty extreme crop otherwise...

And why wouldn't this be legal in basic editing? Sounds fine to me. You can do the same thing by opening a 640x320 blank canvas, then paste the clipboard image into that and move it around.

Robt.
 02/28/2005 03:23:57 PM · #42
Originally posted by rex07734:
Originally posted by sfboatright:
What I usually do when I need to change ratio but i'm not sure how it will affect my composition (keep in mind, this isn't legal in basic editing):

1. Select the entire image. Copy it to the clipboard.
2. Go to Image > Canvas Size and key in the new dimensions I want. Hit Enter. It doesn't matter what the directional options are set to.
3. Paste the original image into a new layer. You can then move it around until it's composed exactly like you want it.
4. Crop the image the same size as the current canvas (to get rid of the excess).
5. Delete the bottom (original) layer.


So how do you do it legally?


I guess it depends on what the new ratio is...usually I'm only changing between vertical and horizontal, in which case I simply rotate the crop selection, or making it square, where I just hold down the shift key while selecting the crop area.

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 15:24:57.
 02/28/2005 03:27:39 PM · #43
Originally posted by bear_music:
Originally posted by sfboatright:
What I usually do when I need to change ratio but i'm not sure how it will affect my composition (keep in mind, this isn't legal in basic editing):

1. Select the entire image. Copy it to the clipboard.
2. Go to Image > Canvas Size and key in the new dimensions I want. Hit Enter. It doesn't matter what the directional options are set to.
3. Paste the original image into a new layer. You can then move it around until it's composed exactly like you want it.
4. Crop the image the same size as the current canvas (to get rid of the excess).
5. Delete the bottom (original) layer.


Surely you resize the image to the long dimension before you do this? :-) Be a pretty extreme crop otherwise...

And why wouldn't this be legal in basic editing? Sounds fine to me. You can do the same thing by opening a 640x320 blank canvas, then paste the clipboard image into that and move it around.

Robt.


I usually edit in full resolution and then use Save for Web to shrink to my final dimensions...so I have to figure out the ratios for the full size image first.

I thought you couldn't create a new layer with pixel data in basic. I guess you could put it into a new file, though....just so you don't have two image layers in the same file.
 02/28/2005 03:30:22 PM · #44
I hate to complain about a comment, but I found this one was a bit too much.

I have my scores turned off, but this person caught me. Mine is 640x330. LOL.

I just couldn't part with any more of the bottom, and I figured 10 pixels, I don't think the real signs are that exacting, and it did say "Suggested". ;)

I can't believe someone is going and measuring every image. LOL.

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 15:30:58.
 02/28/2005 03:30:26 PM · #45
I totally guessed when I did my crop, and then when I resized for 640 wide it came to 321 height. Nobody's caught it yet.
 02/28/2005 03:35:37 PM · #46
Ah.

In my case I do all my editing work on a full-sze, complete image. I don't do any cropping until I'm done editing. Sometimes I see a better crop after editing is done. So first I do all my editing, then I resize image to long dimension, then I proceed as you indicated, works like a charm.

Robt.
 02/28/2005 03:38:04 PM · #47
I didn't enter this challenge but this is outrageous to vote down a picture because it is not exactly 640x320. Now if it 640x640 or 640x420 I can see it taking away from the look of a billboard.
 02/28/2005 03:39:23 PM · #48
It's actuallay amazing the number of images that are nowhere NEAR 2:1, or that are photographs of actual billboards, or that have added text to the submission...

Robt.
 02/28/2005 03:42:55 PM · #49
I also got this comment.. and I'm just a few pixels off the SUGGESTED ratio. Ah well.
 02/28/2005 04:08:13 PM · #50
Originally posted by alansfreed:
Originally posted by Ivo:
This comment must be from the same person that aligns all of their rice crispies north before they eat them in their sterile eating environment.


Geez... that sounds crazy! I always align my Rice Crispies to the South.


::Sotto Voce::

Yeah, but what Alan doesn't know is that we've secretly flipped all his Rice Crispies (tm) so that they are in fact aligned to the North.

Let's watch as he tries them.
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