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02/28/2005 01:11:34 PM · #76

Originally posted by nsbca7:

But if you were to aspire to become a great painter or sculptor then I would expect at some point in your life you would become quite familier with Donatelo and Michelangelo. (not ninja turtles)

Would that not depend on what kind of painting you wanted to do?

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02/28/2005 01:13:21 PM · #77

Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
Cream has a tendency to rise to the top.

I play the Britney Spears card again :P

See if her music is still on the airwaves 70 years from now. And yes, anyone wanting to go into pop music would be well advised to study Britney.

Artan

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02/28/2005 01:14:39 PM · #78

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Cream has a tendency to rise to the top.....

As pointed out one of my teacher, when I volunteered the above comment.
....... Unfortunately so does the scum .....

[Foot note - Not that Iâ��m suggesting for one minute that Adams is the latter]

02/28/2005 01:15:48 PM · #79

Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
But if you were to aspire to become a great painter or sculptor then I would expect at some point in your life you would become quite familier with Donatelo and Michelangelo. (not ninja turtles)

Would that not depend on what kind of painting you wanted to do?

I guess Grandma Moses never studied the masters and some people are quite comfortable with the title primative artist, but that is not where I want to be in ten years.

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 13:17:15.

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02/28/2005 01:17:27 PM · #80

Originally posted by nsbca7:

I guess Grandma Moses never studied the masters and some people are quite comfortable with the title primative artist, but that is not were I want to be in ten years.

I don't know who Grandma Moses is either.

Originally posted by nsbca7:

And yes, anyone wanting to go into pop music would be well advised to study Britney.

But would you advise a classical musician to study her too?

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 14:31:04.

Artan

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02/28/2005 01:18:28 PM · #81

Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
I guess Grandma Moses never studied the masters and some people are quite comfortable with the title primative artist, but that is not were I want to be in ten years.

I don't know who Grandma Moses is either.

Are we talking "Ten Commandments" fame....

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02/28/2005 01:23:58 PM · #82

If this was a medical forum then you ought to know who Christian Bernard is, or if you didn't then you ought to be curious. If this was a political site, then Engles might be a topic for discussion. (not that I could discuss these guys in any serious way either). But they are signposts in their feilds.

Adams is the same way. He was an artistic and technical force in photography, and a person whose work is worthy of study. I don't belive his work is better than some of his freind's and contemporaries, but to equate his contributions to his feild to those Ms. Spears has made to music is just silly. Adams is not famous because he looks cute in black vinyl or has a fetching belly ring. Spears will not be someone people ought to know in fifty years, unless she has a second chapter to her career that takes her in a very different direction.

02/28/2005 01:24:15 PM · #83

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
But if you were to aspire to become a great painter or sculptor then I would expect at some point in your life you would become quite familier with Donatelo and Michelangelo. (not ninja turtles)

Would that not depend on what kind of painting you wanted to do?

I guess Grandma Moses never studied the masters and some people are quite comfortable with the title primative artist, but that is not where I want to be in ten years.

At the risk of sounding positively neanderthal, how would studying somebody who shot mainly black and white landscapes help somebody who shoots mainly motorsports, ducks, and bright colourful still lifes?

Would I not be better off studying the works of Chris Sutton or Heather Angel?

How does my choice of influences make me more or less primitive than anybody else?

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02/28/2005 01:28:34 PM · #84

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I changed my signature back.

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coolhar

02/28/2005 01:29:49 PM · #85

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Obviously Ansel's PR is not as effective overseas.

But it came thru loud and clear in Alabama.

02/28/2005 01:33:26 PM · #86

Originally posted by nsbca7:

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I changed my signature back.

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At the risk of sounding positively ignorant how would studying Ansel Adams help somebody who shoots mainly motorsports, ducks, and bright colourful still lifes?

Would I not be better off studying the works of Chris Sutton or Heather Angel?

How does my choice of influences make me more or less ignorant than anybody else?

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02/28/2005 01:33:30 PM · #87

Originally posted by coolhar:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Obviously Ansel's PR is not as effective overseas.

But it came thru loud and clear in Alabama.

Actually I'm not that big a fan of Adams, but I know and respect his work. He is a master. We study the masters. There is a lot to learn from someone like Adams for anyone who is hungry.

Spork99

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02/28/2005 01:34:41 PM · #88

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Adams was a very good photographer, so were many of his contemporaries. One of the main reasons Ansel Adams is such a familiar name is not because his work so exceeds that of his contemporaries, but rather that he hired a very good publicist to promote his name and work outside the photography/art world.

Cream has a tendency to rise to the top. The best publicists in the world couldn't have kept Adam's work hanging in prominent positions in the best museums in every industrialized nation on this planet for more then 50 - 70 years after they were created.

I'm not suggesting that Ansel's work is inferior. Rather his name has recognition outside the art/photography world mostly because of the work of his PR agents. Many of his contemporaries produced work on par with Adams, but ask someone on the street here in the US to name a famous photographer and Ansel Adams will probably be the first name to come up. Almost no one will cite Imogen Cunningham, Edward Weston, Carleton Watkins, Timothy O'Sullivan, Paul Strand, Alfred Stieglitz and other members of f/64.

Adam's work remains very popular in the US, but he is not nearly as well known, or as popular, overseas.

02/28/2005 01:36:55 PM · #89

Originally posted by bod:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
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I changed my signature back.

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At the risk of sounding positively ignorant how would studying Ansel Adams help somebody who shoots mainly motorsports, ducks, and bright colourful still lifes?

Would I not be better off studying the works of Chris Sutton or Heather Angel?

How does my choice of influences make me more or less ignorant than anybody else?

Composition, form and tone mean nothing to you?

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02/28/2005 01:38:05 PM · #90

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Composition, form and tone mean nothing to you?

And Ansel is the only one who can teach me these things?

Message edited by author 2005-02-28 13:38:25.

xtabintun

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02/28/2005 01:38:22 PM · #91

Originally posted by nsbca7:

Cream has a tendency to rise to the top.

When did Eric Clapton become involved? I'm so confused.

GeneralE

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02/28/2005 01:40:39 PM · #92

Originally posted by bod:

One of the ways Adams was able to exploit his craft was his meticulous record-keeping and overall organization. Remember, his prints -- famous for their dodging and burning effects -- were created individually by hand on an enlarger, with all the dodge/burn effects repeated each time. I believe he would write "scripts" so that he could replicate a print made years earlier.

He was also a pioneer in "making" rather than "taking" pictures -- making photography into an art form where the finished print was as he envisioned the scene, not merely a record of the number of photons striking each part of the emulsion.

He knew his equipment and materials as well as anyone. You can learn a lot from his organization and commitment.

GeneralE

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02/28/2005 01:41:53 PM · #93

Originally posted by xtabintun:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
Cream has a tendency to rise to the top.

When did Eric Clapton become involved? I'm so confused.

Maybe they've bundled his "Layla" ringtone with an Adams startup screen for your cell phone.

02/28/2005 01:43:26 PM · #94

Originally posted by Spazmo99:

Adam's work remains very popular in the US, but he is not nearly as well known, or as popular, overseas.

I do believe you are mistaken.

[/i]Natural Causes: Ansel Adams & American Landscape Photography

7 March â�� 21 June 1998 National Gallery of Australia

[i]Ansel Adams (1902â��1984) is one of the most celebrated and influential 20th century landscape photographers. The exhibition title reflects the place of Adams's work in a tradition of brilliant American photographers of the sublime natural landscape and Adams's role as an ardent conservationist.

In 1981 the National Gallery of Australia was one of a select group of world museums which were successful in their applications to purchase Adams's `Museum set' of 75 images spanning his career from 1927 to the 1970s . The selection and production of this portfolio occupied the last decade of Adams's life.

The Museum set has formed the basis of two previous National Gallery exhibitions. The 1998 exhibition includes over 30 images
by Ansel Adams from over 100 works in the Gallery's collection. The exhibition is being mounted in association with New Worlds from Old: 19th Century Australian & American Landscapes. A small selection of works by other 19th and 20th century American landscape photographers in the National Gallery's collection will also be included in the current Adams exhibition.

I could come up with over a hundred other international links to the works of Adams beyond the US borders, but I have to drive to Mobile. Later.

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02/28/2005 01:46:41 PM · #95

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by xtabintun:

Originally posted by nsbca7:
Cream has a tendency to rise to the top.

When did Eric Clapton become involved? I'm so confused.

Maybe they've bundled his "Layla" ringtone with an Adams startup screen for your cell phone.

Can you think of one up and coming blues guitarist the doesn't know who Clapton is? Or Robert Johnson? Why all the adversion to understanding your art better?

colda

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02/28/2005 01:47:53 PM · #96

I like Ansel, in fact I like all of the Adams family ;)