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02/21/2005 01:23:28 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by cosmic:
Originally posted by Kathy:
Often, it is the title which prompts me to click on a picture for a larger view. There have been several which had fascinating elements in them, that I might not have caught had the title not been there. So, here's a vote to choose a title well. Thanks, Kathy |
Took the words right out of my mouth! :)
~Heidi~ |
Just out of curiousity.... What do you folks do if you don't happen to like the title... Do you forego voting and move on to the next image???
If indeed such is the case, I find this troubling since you have not given the image any consideration, a factor which I find bemusing as these are photo challenges after all.
I have viewed and voted on every single image on all the challenges since I came to DPC and from my limited experience can categorically state that I have seen some absolutely astounding images that had either no title,,,or titles that did not mesh with the image. I am glad I viewed these, as some were absolute gems.
I surely don't expect every one to vote on each and all of the images submitted, but surely we can do better than to bypass an image simply because we don't happen to like the title.
Just my opinion.
Ray |
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02/21/2005 01:25:10 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by justinbrook:
Originally posted by RayEthier:
I don't know about Bear,,, but I can tell you that I noticed ... and now I am off to fire up the snowblower. Ahh the joys of living in the country and having a 90 foot driveway.
Ray |
90 foot, wow. Thats bigger than my town. Want an extra house guest. hehe |
You know how to operate a snowblower???? hehehehe
Ray |
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02/21/2005 01:30:03 PM · #53 |
If an image is untitled then the photographer wants the viewer to explore the image on their own. In any competitions I've entered the judges are not told what the title is just what the topic for the competition is.
On the other side of things, if a photographer can't come up with an appropriate title then maybe their objective wasn't clear to them to begin with.
Titles can work both ways. For the most part I only look at the title if the connection to the challenge is unclear. |
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02/21/2005 01:30:24 PM · #54 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Originally posted by justinbrook:
Untitled images lose 25% score immediatley. |
Comments of this ilk make me wonder if indeed the amount of effort put into this exercise is worth it.
Seriously... think about it... A photo deserving of an 8.0 (are rarely seen item in this venue) would automatically drop to 5.5... a bit harsh don't you think!!!
Just my 2 cents (or is that 0.2 X 75%)
Ray |
Actually 25% of 8 is 2 so the score would be dropped to 6 :)
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02/21/2005 01:30:45 PM · #55 |
I've been voting on separation and as it can be such and abstract thought or theme I'm finding some of the titles to be particularly helpful.
In fact I can think of a least five photo's that I didn't understand and the title completely pulled everything together and in a some cases even made it a better shot. In other words there were theme's of separation I hadn't even thought of and both title and photo together brought this to light. My congratulations to those of you who thought way out of the box because I didn't enter due to my nearsightedness. I tried reaching beyond in finding and out of the ordinary concept but fell flat.
I am surprised by this thread in how so many artists can be so definitive either way. Titles may or may not be necessary.
A bridge might simply be a bridge. The vastness of "Separation" could be transcendent, conceptual or actual. I think we should be more open and give some latitude when dealing with or judging art. IMHO.
Message edited by author 2005-02-21 13:40:20. |
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02/21/2005 01:35:26 PM · #56 |
AGAIN, I already corrected my 25% statement as I just pulled a number out my head to make my point.
I totaly agree with pawdrix but I am not as well read or spoken to say it so.. thanx
Message edited by author 2005-02-21 13:36:12. |
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02/21/2005 05:49:13 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by RayEthier:
Just out of curiousity.... What do you folks do if you don't happen to like the title... Do you forego voting and move on to the next image???
Ray |
I can only speak for myself, but I vote on every entry in every challenge I enter, and my basic approach is to look first at the imnage and then at the title. I have never voted an image down for a poor title, and never will. This goes for "untitled" as well. Occasionally a title is so apt that it causes me to score the image higher, and many times the title provides me information that allows me to evaluate the image more fairly, for which I am grateful.
So, in a nutshell: as far as my voting goes, a title can never hurt you. A truly witty or sly or beautiful title may enhance your image and raise its score. An image that is obscure or metaphorical in nature will definitely score better with me if it is accompanied by a title that focuses me on the photographer's intentions.
Robt.
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02/21/2005 05:55:14 PM · #58 |
A title is not just there to identify a photograph with a challenge; the photograph should be strong enough to achieve this on its own. For me the title assists in identifying the journey from the photographer vision to the end result, it assists in portraying the "how" and "why"
To illustrate why I feel the title is an important part of a photograph, I would like to use the following...
In the Advanced Editing Competition Hero's - "Be they firemen, costumed superheroes, or just a personal idol, we all understand the concept of a hero. Submit a photo that illustrates a "hero".
Picture the following photograph with a number of grave stones, all neatly lines up in rows and columns; - none of the inscriptions can be read.
The photograph is in black and white, except for 1 bunch of red flowers laying in front of one of the grave stones.
Now consider the following 4 different Titles for this Photograph.
1. (no title ...)
2. Hero
3. Lest they be forgotten
4. Granddad
All of these a perfectly good titles, but they all give different perspectives.
So what do these titles suggest to me?
1. The neatly lined up graves stones suggest that these are war graves commemorating those who died in action serving their country. The red flower singles out 1 grave in particular suggesting that the person in this grave is the hero.
2. This suggests exactly the same as number 1, and the title of Hero, in the singular, assists in confirming that suggestion.
3. This title does not single out one grave in particular but suggest that all the graves are heroes, but the red flower in the photograph will obviously draw out attention to one grave in particular. The title assist in helping us reflect on what these people must have done, and the sacrifices that they made, to try and make things better for later generations.
4. This title is more emotive and personal, and evokes images of a small child having placed the flowers on the grave on their granddad. A man who was loved and worshiped, and is still greatly missed.
1 photographs,
4 titles,
4 thought processes,
.. but for me 1 winner .. |
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02/21/2005 06:24:17 PM · #59 |
Excellent post, Artan.
Robt.
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02/21/2005 06:40:06 PM · #60 |
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02/21/2005 08:14:53 PM · #61 |
Yes, great post there Artan, very well expressed.
For me the photo is what really matters, but the title can be important and add to the photo. Although I do prefer photos where I can see the intention without a title, sometimes the intention is only clear with the title, which is also fine.
However, there is one thing I hate about titles here, and that is when they are the only thing that someone uses to try and force a photo to fit into a challenge. If the ONLY connection to a challenge is the title then s far as I am concerned it has not met the challenge.
For instance a photo of a fish (nothing else) in a bridges challenge, with a title of "Swimming under the bridge" ....... nope, that is trying to force something.
It's fine if the connection to the challenge is not obvious, but with a title the viewer would go "ahhhh, I see!" ... but not as an excuse top put a photo in a challenge it does not even come close to meeting.
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02/21/2005 08:40:18 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Excellent post, Artan.
Robt. |
Originally posted by jmritz:
Artan-Perfect! |
Originally posted by Natator:
Yes, great post there Artan, very well expressed. |
Thanks – I always feel that examples can help with the discussions.
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02/22/2005 12:17:36 AM · #63 |
I actually enjoy coming up with titles for my photos, whether they are challenge shots or simply to be put in my gallery or portfolio. I feel, somehow, that I have completed the package with a good title. Sort of like the difference between simply handing someone a gift, or taking the time to wrap it beautifully so that the presentation is special as well. Some titles are very simplistic...such as a location name. Others photos move me to a particular feeling or mood that I then try to capture with an appropriate title.
I do not vote down for a bad title, but I will vote up for a good title. I read them all. |
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02/22/2005 12:29:39 AM · #64 |
Originally posted by jpochard:
Some titles are very simplistic...such as a location name. Others photos move me to a particular feeling or mood that I then try to capture with an appropriate title. |
Like this?
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02/22/2005 12:32:17 AM · #65 |
| i love reading the titles but i dont judge my voting on this. |
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02/22/2005 04:33:24 AM · #66 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti:
... if a photographer can't come up with an appropriate title then maybe their objective wasn't clear to them to begin with. ... |
This statement I agree with more than anything else I have read in this thread.
While a photo does have to stand on its own, it must also have something to stand on. It's all abou tthe presentation of the image. An appropriate title is just as integral a part of the final presentation as any of a number of other steps along the way, including but not limited to: composition, post-processing, border, matting, frame and even the calibration of the display (if presented digitally) and the lighting of the room in which it is displayed.
No photo is viewed entirely on its own, it is viewed within an environment. The photographer may not have complete control over every aspect of this viewing environment, but he certainly can have control over certain aspect -- one of which is the title.
The title is a vital part of the final presentation ... but this is not to imply the lack of a title implies a lack of phototgrapher control of the viewing environment. :p
David
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02/22/2005 04:33:50 AM · #67 |
Originally posted by lentil:
i love reading the titles but i dont judge my voting on this. |
I don̢۪t think anyone expect voting to be judged on the title, however if you read the title it will have an influence, positively or negatively, subliminally or directly.
In exactly the same way as advertising influences usâ€Â¦.
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02/22/2005 05:07:06 AM · #68 |
I hope when it's time to vote on the 70's challenge those not old enough to know/remember the 70's read the titles...it may help put the photo in the proper context.
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02/22/2005 05:14:47 AM · #69 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Heck, ruler, in MINE they're reading the title and voting it down despite the title LOL. They say so in their comments.
Robt. |
Mine too .... Thats what makes it fun at times for me.. I only wish I was bold as my husband. I will have to use his ideas for some titles one day:) Probably some wont understand them but, most have rarely understood my titles either:)
I dont vote low on titles though usually I give a better vote if the title is helpfull or funny:)
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02/22/2005 05:23:15 AM · #70 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
I hope when it's time to vote on the 70's challenge those not old enough to know/remember the 70's read the titles...it may help put the photo in the proper context. |
LOL thats going to be a trick there.... Hopefully though 70's really wasnt long ago:)
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02/23/2005 05:12:41 AM · #71 |
This picture is a good example of the title syndrome, This tower IS the bridge, it's the central pillar of the bridge. I'm now discovering that calling it "The Pillar" would have probably give me a few (not much really) position up. It would have explained that this is the bridge and not just a different structure.
I beleive that people read title too much ;)
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