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 02/03/2005 11:01:04 PM · #1
02/03/2005 11:02:36 PM · #2
Gorgeous picture -
I PM'd you.
 02/03/2005 11:06:46 PM · #3
I also have this verison...

02/03/2005 11:17:13 PM · #4
My honest opinion...

I think you attempted to catch a 'neat' angle of the statue. I guess the angle works for the statue, but it's hard to tell. The blown out section of the sky covers about 3/4 of the top 1/3 of the entire photo -- that's quite a bit. The shadows don't really hold much depth -- and the tree in the background is quite distracting.

I think if you returned to this same location, sun at your back with a clear blue sky behind the statue, with the same angle (or slightly different to get rid of the tree or at least part of it), the outcome would be a lot better.
 02/03/2005 11:22:47 PM · #5
Originally posted by deapee:
My honest opinion...

I think you attempted to catch a 'neat' angle of the statue. I guess the angle works for the statue, but it's hard to tell. The blown out section of the sky covers about 3/4 of the top 1/3 of the entire photo -- that's quite a bit. The shadows don't really hold much depth -- and the tree in the background is quite distracting.

I think if you returned to this same location, sun at your back with a clear blue sky behind the statue, with the same angle (or slightly different to get rid of the tree or at least part of it), the outcome would be a lot better.


Thanks for your comments. :>)

I do plan on trying to get this on a clear day as well. I will have to clone out the trees though. They surround the entire property.

I will tell you what I was going for with this shot like this and you tell me (if you don't mind) if I got my vision across.

I left the trees to make the statue appear larger than life.
I left the storm clouds and the "blown out" sky to convey the sense of trouble times passing. Like maybe the angel had protected us through stormy weather and the sun was coming out to relief us. Does that make sense or do I sound like a fruit loop? :)

Message edited by author 2005-02-03 23:24:36.
 02/03/2005 11:27:57 PM · #6
i like the B&W and think it is a great angle and picture....it has emotion.......

the color i do not care for.

the tree in the backround is a distracting eliment and i think forthat propouse alone u need a reshoot.

the angle is nice but if it isn't possible to get the tree out from that prospective then change it.

remrmber if i could go their and see it from that angle u have done a bad job and your viewer will not be caught in the image as he or she should.

always that pictures form 2 angles the see(common-if u go there the prettyest spot that any1 would view it from) and the unseen the place where only you and your camera have thought to view it.

if u go about your shooting in that way u will always have a shot that will captivate your aduience.

that is my 2¢ lovely image great statue needs to have no tree...lol

good work,
_brando_
 02/03/2005 11:29:36 PM · #7
Makes good sense. I like the tree, but I don't like the blow out. With a touch of Heida's burn technique the sky could look extremely dark and foreboding while still leaving the angel in a haloed light source. Would really put it over the top.

Edit: man do I need spell check.

Message edited by author 2005-02-03 23:30:36.
 02/03/2005 11:32:47 PM · #8
Originally posted by NinjaMom:
I left the trees to make the statue appear larger than life.
I left the storm clouds and the "blown out" sky to convey the sense of trouble times passing. Like maybe the angel had protected us through stormy weather and the sun was coming out to relief us. Does that make sense or do I sound like a fruit loop? :)


the tree like i sayed bad choise i don't see the statue as larger than life and don't think it should be seen that way.

with the rest of the image u achived your objective it seems a weathered point on a mapand u feel that standing below it u are somehow safe from that turibulece.

more of my 2¢

_brando_
 02/03/2005 11:32:49 PM · #9
Originally posted by Arcanist:
Makes good sense. I like the tree, but I don't like the blow out. With a touch of Heida's burn technique the sky could look extremely dark and foreboding while still leaving the angel in a haloed light source. Would really put it over the top.

Edit: man do I need spell check.


What is Heida's burn technique exactly? I would love to try it.
 02/03/2005 11:37:16 PM · #10
Originally posted by NinjaMom:
I will tell you what I was going for with this shot like this and you tell me (if you don't mind) if I got my vision across.

I left the trees to make the statue appear larger than life.
I left the storm clouds and the "blown out" sky to convey the sense of trouble times passing. Like maybe the angel had protected us through stormy weather and the sun was coming out to relief us. Does that make sense or do I sound like a fruit loop? :)


It makes sense -- as much as any work of art makes sense. If the blown sky, tree, shadows and everything are intentional, then it is a great work of art. Great art and great photographs, however are miles apart...when you encroach upon the 'artistic' side of photography, you have to take the good with the bad -- everything you produce will not appeal to the majority as a great photograph would.

As long as you captured what you intended to capture, I say great work -- my comments are just what I, personally, think would make the image look better to ME.
 02/03/2005 11:42:07 PM · #11
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by NinjaMom:
I will tell you what I was going for with this shot like this and you tell me (if you don't mind) if I got my vision across.

I left the trees to make the statue appear larger than life.
I left the storm clouds and the "blown out" sky to convey the sense of trouble times passing. Like maybe the angel had protected us through stormy weather and the sun was coming out to relief us. Does that make sense or do I sound like a fruit loop? :)


It makes sense -- as much as any work of art makes sense. If the blown sky, tree, shadows and everything are intentional, then it is a great work of art. Great art and great photographs, however are miles apart...when you encroach upon the 'artistic' side of photography, you have to take the good with the bad -- everything you produce will not appeal to the majority as a great photograph would.

As long as you captured what you intended to capture, I say great work -- my comments are just what I, personally, think would make the image look better to ME.


Oh gosh... I hope I didn't offend ya with extending my vision out there. I definitely see your side of the coin and plan on trying it on a clear day.
 02/03/2005 11:50:29 PM · #12
There for a moment I though it was the same as I had took at the first of January but when I went back and compared pictures, they are different but similar. Mine was back-lite and found it very hard to take a picture. I know it had to be in your situation as well. Hard to find the right lighting with the shadows. Here is the one I took, do you think they look similar?

02/03/2005 11:53:07 PM · #13
i quite like the trees in the shot. it seems a much more natural scene than if they were removed. i prefer the b&w version and i think the clouds make it more dramatic. the only thing i would do is a moderate dodge on the face of the statue to bring out more of her features. i think you did a good job here. i'm a big fan of cemetery photos, too.

Natchez City Cemetery
 02/04/2005 12:00:44 AM · #14
Originally posted by NinjaMom:

Oh gosh... I hope I didn't offend ya with extending my vision out there. I definitely see your side of the coin and plan on trying it on a clear day.


no...not at all. I was just trying to say that the only thing that I, personally, can say is what I think a photo needs to look better to me. Trying to make the point that everyone's tastes are different...for example, there have been ribbon-winners that I have given a 4 to and there have been very low-scorring photos that I have given 8's or 9's to.

I didn't mean anything personally.
 02/04/2005 12:01:24 AM · #15
Originally posted by SDW65:
There for a moment I though it was the same as I had took at the first of January but when I went back and compared pictures, they are different but similar. Mine was back-lite and found it very hard to take a picture. I know it had to be in your situation as well. Hard to find the right lighting with the shadows. Here is the one I took, do you think they look similar?

Wow... They do look similar.
 02/04/2005 12:03:58 AM · #16
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by NinjaMom:

Oh gosh... I hope I didn't offend ya with extending my vision out there. I definitely see your side of the coin and plan on trying it on a clear day.


no...not at all. I was just trying to say that the only thing that I, personally, can say is what I think a photo needs to look better to me. Trying to make the point that everyone's tastes are different...for example, there have been ribbon-winners that I have given a 4 to and there have been very low-scorring photos that I have given 8's or 9's to.

I didn't mean anything personally.


I didn't take it personally at all. I enjoy hearing your perspective on this image. I like to get others opinions on what I am attempting to do because my hubby seems to like everything I do and I worry he is trying more to be nice than cut it to me straight.
 02/04/2005 12:17:40 AM · #17
Here's a hack at what I'm suggesting could be done with the burn and clone tools, this is way more on the Digi-art side than photography and would never be legal even in advanced, but by playing, you can see what the shot could be with no blow out and some darker clouds simply from burning.


02/04/2005 12:37:52 AM · #18
Originally posted by Arcanist:
Here's a hack at what I'm suggesting could be done with the burn and clone tools, this is way more on the Digi-art side than photography and would never be legal even in advanced, but by playing, you can see what the shot could be with no blow out and some darker clouds simply from burning.



I see what you are getting at. I will give it a try. Thanks to your comments and help I actually know what the burn and dodge tools can do... I didn't before now. Gosh, I am such a newbie! :)

Thanks for all your help!
 02/04/2005 01:21:07 AM · #19
It's kind of hard to work with at this low resolution so the selection is blocky, but here's another take on it:



Robt.
 02/04/2005 01:40:35 AM · #20
Originally posted by bear_music:
It's kind of hard to work with at this low resolution so the selection is blocky, but here's another take on it:



Robt.


Hi Robert,
I have one that is very similar to this picture that I took. It was on an over cast day and back lite so the face is very darkened. I would like for you to see what you could do with it if you don't mind. I can send you the original. PM me if would like to give it a try. I have seen your post processing work and have to say you are very good at it. I cant seem to get the detail i want with this picture and before I dismiss it I would like for someone with your skills to give it a try.
 02/05/2005 12:07:46 PM · #21
Ok...Here is my first attempt with the Burn and Dodge tools. How did I do?



Message edited by author 2005-02-05 12:09:14.
 02/05/2005 01:43:54 PM · #22
bump
 02/05/2005 02:44:10 PM · #23
Mucho bettera!
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