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02/02/2005 06:53:26 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by joebok:
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by jab119:
Its not microsofts fault, its the 10-20 year olds who have nothing better to do than to do harm to computers and find microsoft is easy to take advantage of. |
If cars came with locks that didn't work would you hold the manufacturers completely free of blame when yours got nicked? |
If you had a choice of buying a car with locks or without, and you chose no locks, would you hold yourself completely free of blame when yours got nicked?
Microsoft has had a pretty slipshod product security-wise for a long time - yet their products are still being bought! |
It does not really matter the quality of lock on an automobile or it it even has locks at all. If someone wants to steal your car they will, now something like lo-jack to find and track yor car once stolen is a good investment and programs like ad-aware and other programs are to your PC as lo-jack is to your car, find detect and remove. but you wont ever stop all of it. Laws dont stop people from stealing your car and a more secure OS will not stop people from trying to find exploits to spread viri, malware and such.
Peoples thought processes need to change, then this will be a better place to live
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02/02/2005 06:58:13 PM · #27 |
I have a bad one now.
The name is ctfmon.exe and it spawns a nyzq0.exe like crazy.
I will try some of the sites mentioned. This stuff is crap....and it really slow down your computer. |
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02/02/2005 07:15:09 PM · #28 |
| Another vote for Spy Bot. Since I started using it (update and run regularly) I have had no problems. |
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02/02/2005 07:17:37 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by jab119:
It does not really matter the quality of lock on an automobile or it it even has locks at all. |
What?
A car without locks can be stolen by anybody, no matter what their skill level.
A car with high security locks, immobilisers, etc will take considerably more skill to steal.
This ties in nicely with the teenagers who like to attack windows - take away the easy to run scripts and most of them can't crack jack.
Originally posted by jab119:
now something like lo-jack to find and track yor car once stolen is a good investment and programs like ad-aware and other programs are to your PC as lo-jack is to your car, find detect and remove. |
Where I live you can find your car by following the fire engines an hour or so later.
This would be like the teenager or virus getting onto your box and wiping your files out. By the time you start adaware/lo-jack it's too late.
Originally posted by jab119:
but you wont ever stop all of it. |
I'll agree with you on this bit.
Originally posted by jab119:
Laws dont stop people from stealing your car and a more secure OS will not stop people from trying to find exploits to spread viri, malware and such. |
Laws have stopped me from ever stealing a car.
A more secure OS won't stop people from trying to find exploits, but it will stop them from being able to find them so easily.
Originally posted by jab119:
Peoples thought processes need to change, then this will be a better place to live |
Unfortunately, for teenagers hacking is kewl and rebelious. Their thought processes are never going to change.
If the consumer stopped accepting insecure as normal and acceptable, *then* we would see a change for the better.
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02/02/2005 07:19:53 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
I have a bad one now.
The name is ctfmon.exe and it spawns a nyzq0.exe like crazy.
I will try some of the sites mentioned. This stuff is crap....and it really slow down your computer. |
ctfmon.exe is part of XP. |
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02/02/2005 07:22:19 PM · #31 |
I have a firewall on my computer and anti-virus, behind a NAT firewall, regular update for everything, regulare spyware checks, but this only does so much.
I have gotten into the habit of reinstalling windows every 6 months or so.
the only thing that realy fixes all my problems
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02/02/2005 07:37:51 PM · #32 |
andd im about to reinstall windows as well. Stupid pc, im weaning myself off it but dont wanna bog my new powerbook down with a bunch of junk. There is some adware on my computer that spybot cannot get rid of, hasnt been able to get rid of for months with all the updates. I dont think theres any solution but a mac right now.
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02/02/2005 07:39:05 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by mk:
Originally posted by Riggs:
I have a bad one now.
The name is ctfmon.exe and it spawns a nyzq0.exe like crazy.
I will try some of the sites mentioned. This stuff is crap....and it really slow down your computer. |
ctfmon.exe is part of XP. |
Its a part of windows office that people will add there spy or ad programs to because it runs all the time. I just read that trying to gt rid of my problems.
I found several folders that were under ctfmon, but not actual windows files....if that makes sence. |
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02/02/2005 07:46:24 PM · #34 |
just to mention it again
another member here on DPC refered me to this web site and it REALLY helped alot. you can search my DPC user name there to see the responses
jab119
Short Media Forms
you will need to register (its free) and snoop around and find the hijackthis download, install it and post your log in a new file. but run ad-aware se and spybot Search and destroy first.
They are great guys and will help you get your system clean
James |
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02/02/2005 09:57:46 PM · #35 |
| Best AD-WARE protection is abstinence :-) ( no more porn-surfing) |
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02/02/2005 10:08:01 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Best AD-WARE protection is abstinence :-) ( no more porn-surfing) |
You don't have to porn surf to get this stuff. Plenty of legit looking websites that are packed down with it.
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02/02/2005 10:42:16 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Best AD-WARE protection is abstinence :-) ( no more porn-surfing) |
You don't have to porn surf to get this stuff. Plenty of legit looking websites that are packed down with it. |
also some adware, spyware and removal programs are infact spyware and adware themselfs, touting to remove stuff and giving false results to make you think it works, then to really clean your PC you pay $19, $29 or $39 for the "pro" version. Guess what it did remove some stuff, but they got YOUR money and your PC is still infected
So stick with Adware Se and Spybot S&D
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02/02/2005 11:05:28 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by pitsaman:
Best AD-WARE protection is abstinence :-) ( no more porn-surfing) |
You don't have to porn surf to get this stuff. Plenty of legit looking websites that are packed down with it. |
If that's the case, then how come my system hasn't been infected with those things?
Oh, that's right... I stopped using Microsoft Internet Explorer more then 5 years ago...
Seriously, every since I stopped using Microsoft Internet Explorer, I haven't had a single Spyware App install itself onto my PC. Don't think it wasn't for lack of trying either, I have been all over the Internet, I keep running the updated scanners and I keep finding nothing but cookies... and only VERY rarely do I see a pop-up... |
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02/02/2005 11:25:52 PM · #39 |
I can't say it enough that you get your moneys worth out of free product.
FYI PCMagazine's editors choice three selections in a row has been Webroot's Spy Sweeper. It is currently the only software that will remove CWS consistantly.
There is a 30 day trial, so give it a shot.
Many of the suggestions on here are good, Firefox, other alternate browsers, and avoiding adult sites are all good suggestions. The biggest one I have though, is to know where you're clicking to. |
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02/02/2005 11:32:50 PM · #40 |
I use lavasoft's adaware SE. It was free and it has an update feature. I usually run it once a week or so. It usually picks up a few things but not too many -- I'm usually really careful what I click when I'm on the internet.
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02/02/2005 11:43:42 PM · #41 |
| I know this will not be a popular choice for the really techie people...but here is what I did. First I quit using Kazaa....it will load you up with spyware ...and it wont let you use it if you remove parts of it. I have used and spybot s&d and it works well....but does not block popups. I run norton and update everytime I get on. Here is the kicker. I downloaded the Yahoo toolbar with the pop-up blocker and the spyware removal tool and have been clean for a while. Just a thought for the people who need to keep it easy. |
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02/02/2005 11:43:46 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
I have a bad one now.
The name is ctfmon.exe and it spawns a nyzq0.exe like crazy.
I will try some of the sites mentioned. This stuff is crap....and it really slow down your computer. |
I had a user with this one a while back not ctfmon which actually (from MS) monitors the active windows and provides text input service support for speech recognition, handwriting recognition, keyboard, translation, and other alternative user input technologies.
But that thing that is like hell spawn, it can actually spawn more than on instance at a time...the active program live in system32 directory with hidden attributes but don't try to delete that either as it will respawn hidden with 5 new names.
Thinking...brb... |
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02/02/2005 11:51:03 PM · #43 |
Riggs, if I remember right you got yourself a nice little virus on there have you tried McAfee's Stinger? It's Free can be found here.
Stinger
I got all high end when trying to fix the guy but it was a simple fix once I found it.
Try Stinger...
I'm still thinking... |
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02/03/2005 12:10:34 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by jab119:
Its not microsofts fault, its the 10-20 year olds who have nothing better to do than to do harm to computers and find microsoft is easy to take advantage of.
anyway, there is NOT one catch all end all program to stop all this junk. |
From my professional opinion, and believe me the least thing i would do is defend the 10-20 yo assholes, it is equally Microsoft's fault. They are negligent, careless and irresponsible. Their software development and business practices are horrible. But hey, they are a market leader, so it's all good.
Yes, the punk kids are criminals, no question, but it's microsoft and careless users who provide the punk kids with an opportunity.
As far as a universal program, no there is no such thing, and i don't think it's possible to write one. However, exercising caution and providing proper protection on multiple layers ("defense in depth" principle, google it up), it is possible to reduce the potential risk to an acceptable minimum.
How do i know? I haven't had malware on any of my Windows boxes for about 15 years now. And yeah, some of them have been in very hostile environments.
As for Macs, it's only a matter of time before malware for macs is going to be as widespread as that for windows, although apple's approach to security is somewhat better and they have better principles in the foundation. It's a function of market share and popularity of an OS, application, etc.
Message edited by author 2005-02-03 00:12:51. |
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02/03/2005 12:38:08 AM · #45 |
Microsoft spyware program is actually pretty good. It is a beta, as is any software really. Haven't had any problems from it, & it found a ton of things ad aware & spybot didn't.
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02/03/2005 01:22:26 AM · #46 |
| I have Nortin, Ad-Aware- SpyBot- Zone Alarm- Spy Sweeper- FireFox- Ya-da-de-yada-de yada... Combined together they are no better then simple and safe computer practice. Like stated before, KNOW what you click. Don`t open attachments that you were not expecting, even from friends. (If you were not expecting it, ask them FIRST if they sent it before you open it) Don`t click on adds, and don`t click on links that take you to sites that you think are trusted. Insteat type in the address yourself. Don`t download any free things that you can live without (IE: games) |
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02/03/2005 07:21:08 AM · #47 |
I always find it a bit puzzling when people say they are riddled with spyware but never download stuff. I use a mix of Opera and Internet Explorer, have Norton (which only ever picks up viruses in emails, there's never been one on my system) and AdAware (which never finds anything to worry about) and never have spyware.
I don't do anything magical. I don't click on popups and adverts. I don't download anything I don't trust and I keep XP reasonably uptodate (although only recently put SP2 on). So either I'm incredibly lucky, or these people ARE doing something different.
Spyware cannot just "appear" on your computer. You ARE letting it in somehow. As clicker says, don't open attachments unless you know what they are, don't click on ads, don't make it easy for them.
The car analogy is a good one - but even the best door locks don't help if you leave the door open and the key in the ignition.
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02/03/2005 09:09:34 AM · #48 |
Don't install programs on your computer that automatically update themselves. If they have this feature at all, it should be easy to disable. If not just skip the program and find something else to do the job. Updates are sometimes desirable but should not be done without your knowledge or permission. If you are satisfied with the way a program is performing, then you can do without updates. ZoneAlarm helps you to be aware of this activity. You can configure it to alert you whenever an installed program attempts to "phone home"; and you can cancel that contact (or allow it) each time, or continuously.
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02/03/2005 09:11:39 AM · #49 |
Originally posted by ganders:
Spyware cannot just "appear" on your computer. You ARE letting it in somehow. As clicker says, don't open attachments unless you know what they are, don't click on ads, don't make it easy for them.
The car analogy is a good one - but even the best door locks don't help if you leave the door open and the key in the ignition. |
All you have to do is run search engines while doing research. You open a site you think will take you to the info you need and open the wrong page. I got one a couple of weeks ago off some lame link someone had posted from a thread right here on this site.
Some of you sound like your feeling lucky cause it hasn't happened to you yet. Best knock on wood.
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02/03/2005 02:56:46 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by nsbca7:
All you have to do is run search engines while doing research. You open a site you think will take you to the info you need and open the wrong page. I got one a couple of weeks ago off some lame link someone had posted from a thread right here on this site.
Some of you sound like your feeling lucky cause it hasn't happened to you yet. Best knock on wood. |
It hasn't happened to me in over 5 years of web-surfing, which coincidentally is the same time that I swore off of Internet Explorer and went to Netscape, then Mozilla and now Firefox. |
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