a complaint about forums - DPChallenge Forums

01/22/2005 09:06:52 PM · #1

this is really nothing important but here i go telling it anyways.. i dont usually post on the forums a lot and i dont create photography all the time that i feel good enough to post on the individual discussion forum. but every once in a while i get inspired and i put myself on superdrive. and i would like critiques on those pieces as i go and i dont create all of them at once and if i post all of them in a single forum entry than none of them get the attention they deserve. and i dont see anyhting wrong to post 4-5 different posts every once in a while about same subject rendered differently.. am i wrong? if you think i am wrong than i will subdue

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

01/22/2005 09:09:28 PM · #2

i just realized that my posts in individual discussion forum have been locked. and i find that to be offensive to my intellect. i would like to be able to seperate my pictures as the way i see fit. especially when i pay for membership. these are unnecessary measures. i am not happy with it. i demand for those posts to be unlocked. i dont think i am spamming anything to deserve such treatment...

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/22/2005 09:09:58 PM · #3

Theodor:

as long as you post the variations as a "reply" to the original thread, it brings it back up to the top of the heap and the new pix will be seen. We can only see so many threads on the main page at once; if 3 of the more recent threads are all yours, and all related to the same topic/image, this robs other threads of front-page space and they get neglected.

This is the reasoning behind juggle's request.

Go ahead and take those images and append them as replies to your original thread and it's all good.

Robt.

addendum: this is a universal point of etiquette in all forums I have aprticipated in; you are not being singled out.

Message edited by author 2005-01-22 21:12:07.

01/22/2005 09:11:57 PM · #4

i dont wish to do it that way. than posts get too long and noone can track it or wants to track it. i dont see why i can not post 10-15 threads as i wish every other month like i usually do.. in photo.net every critique request gets its own forum entry . they seem to manage it just fine...

01/22/2005 09:12:23 PM · #5

i am very dissapointed. this is my usual rutine and all of a sudden i cant do it...

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

01/22/2005 09:13:24 PM · #6

While I understand that posting to multiple threads could generate more comments, it also means that you're pushing many other threads off the home page, thereby robbing others of feedback. You're not the only one who pays a membership fee. If you'd like more feedback, just bump the existing thread and ask for it.

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/22/2005 09:14:01 PM · #7

Theodor,

Go to your "home page" and scroll down; see that only the most recently-commented threads are visible. If three of them are started by you, that's a large percentage of the threads. If those three all relate to the same set of images, it's considered a breach of etiquette, like hogging the shrimp at a buffet. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way, but that's how it works.

Robt.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

01/22/2005 09:14:29 PM · #8

Perhaps a bigger issue: are forum threads really a good mechanism to discuss images? I've never found them to be, partly because (although they call it threadjacking to some extent), others images are soon appended and you may or may not get yours discussed.

What I am saying is that maybe we need to try and get another mechanism in place for that? Like a special shared portfolio for images, with separate discussion area appended to each?

Just thinking out loud. Maybe you have some ideas on this?

dacrazyrn

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED VR II

01/22/2005 09:15:05 PM · #9

I agree in a way. i was hoping to get a Nude modeling session in today (she had childcare issues...DAMN!!), and would probably started a thread for feedback on one or two of them. It seems if you post more than 3 pics in a thread, help goes downhill some. If they are a different series I see no problem with a different thread, but I do hate seeing recurring threads on the same subject, over and over.
Take the good with the bad I guess.

Message edited by author 2005-01-22 21:17:46.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

01/22/2005 09:16:10 PM · #10

Originally posted by bear_music:

...it's considered a breach of etiquette, like hogging the shrimp at a buffet.

Nice analogy!

01/22/2005 09:16:29 PM · #11

i generally only post images every once in a while and i like to seperate it into different threads if there are more than 3 images. i didnt think i bothered anybody. sorry i was selfish by pushing other people's threads off the main page. never thought of it that way. i guess i should restrain myself...

MadMordegon

01/22/2005 09:16:45 PM · #12

Originally posted by bear_music:

it's considered a breach of etiquette, like hogging the shrimp at a buffet.

lol nice analogy.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Samsung Galaxy S24, S24+, S24 Ultra

01/22/2005 09:17:38 PM · #13

Originally posted by theodor38:

...i guess i should restrain myself...

Only in the forums. Keep pushing the edge with your photos. ;-)

Bear_Music

Sony 24-70mm f/4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/22/2005 09:18:40 PM · #14

Thanks, Theodor. Sometimes any of us get so enthusiastic we begin to look like we're hogging the real estate. I've been guilty of it too...

Robt.

MadMordegon

01/22/2005 09:19:45 PM · #15

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by theodor38:
...i guess i should restrain myself...

Only in the forums. Keep pushing the edge with your photos. ;-)

Here here; baba-6.jpg is absolutly fantastic. It looks like its carved in stone.

Personally though, I like your random photo threads.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

01/22/2005 09:22:11 PM · #16

Mehmet,
I understand that you'd like each of your efforts to get full consideration by being given their own threads.
Let me propose a way that you may do so without overloading the "front page". Simply post each one a couple days apart. This will actually benefit each of you threads, they will get more attention than if they were competing with each other.

mrorange002

Canon EOS-5D

Canon EF 16-35mm f/2.8L USM

01/22/2005 09:25:09 PM · #17

I love looking at you photos and think the way you've been posting them is fine. And I agree with Kirbic on his suggestion "Simply post each one a couple days apart"

I think each and every photo you post this way will get the attention they deserve.

keep posting please, I'm inspired by your style.

Peace,
E

Canon EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM

01/22/2005 09:28:57 PM · #18

i will try and do that.. i just get excited... i moved my images and other threads can be deleted.. sorry for trouble...

Cam

Sony DSC-F717

01/22/2005 09:38:30 PM · #19

I think sometimes the mod's get way over agressive in there no duplicate posts rule.

I mean come on, sometimes I just roll my eyes when I see a thread is locked for no real real reason.

karmat

Apple iPhone 7

01/22/2005 10:01:58 PM · #20

When I open a thread, and it is a request for a critique or comments on a picture, I might respond (depending on time, etc.). If I then open a thread near it and it is the same photog posting the same subject, I won't. Period.

Granted, when you post two or three pictures of the same subject in the same thread, it becomes more of a comparision of the three, but they are still being commented on.

AND, I think it is just easier to follow and is "neater" to post like things together.

Riggs, I 'm sorry you feel that way. We try to keep the forums as user friendly for everyone. We have a duplicate thread/post rule for a reason. Most people don't like reading the same thing eighty-eleven times when once is enough.

Beagleboy

Canon EOS-30D

Tokina AF 12-24mm f/4.0 AT-X Pro DX

01/22/2005 10:09:03 PM · #21

Originally posted by karmat:

We try to keep the forums as user friendly for everyone. We have a duplicate thread/post rule for a reason. Most people don't like reading the same thing eighty-eleven times when once is enough.

Amen to that.

bdobe

Canon EOS-1D Mark II

01/22/2005 10:35:36 PM · #22

I agree, the forum is monitored and policed a bit too zealously here at DPC.

Users already have some tools to monitor the forum on their own and, too, of finding and managing specific threads. For example, if the number of recent threads on the homepage is a concern to a user, well, then, just increase the number of active threads on one's homepage -- I've set mine to 30. Also, I can ignore threads, or watch threads, etc. Therefore, I don't see why all the recent forum policing is necessary.

Now, I understand that DPC is focused on providing a sense of community -- which is great; however, as a paying member, that is, as a customer/consumer, I'd rather have the energy and resources that are spent on policing, be directed towards developing additional web site features and solutions (i.e., faster implementation of the requests posted in the "Web Site Suggestions" forum).

Here's the point, a customer has voiced a dissatisfaction with the service he's received, and rather than offering a service oriented solution, the customer has been told (in so many words), "Tough luck, your business is not important to us." As some have already suggested, perhaps the current mechanism (in this case a photo critique thread) is not sufficient, and so it's time to develop some technological solution. For example, rather than posting all active threads on the homepage in the same bin, the active threads can be broken into 3 or more separate bins (ex., Individual Photo Critique, DPC Meet Ups, Rant, etc.) so that users can more easily navigate to and manage active threads (users could even customize which forums they'd like to be displayed on their homepage). Here's an illustration of what I mean (please keep in mind that this is meant as a constructive suggestion, and that the goal of the DPC managers ought to be developing solutions that lead to "customer satisfaction" -- i.e., recurring customers/subscribers):

[note to monitors, this image is only 34k -- thus, modem friendly!]

.......................................

Just my 2.5 cents!

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

01/22/2005 10:53:26 PM · #23

Originally posted by bdobe:

...Here's the point, a customer has voiced a dissatisfaction with the service he's received, and rather than offering a service oriented solution, the customer has been told (in so many words), "Tough luck, your business is not important to us."

Well, not exactly. The solution that I proposed and which Mehmet graciously accepted requires no additional coding, and actually should enhance the response to his posts. Personally I really like his art, and I certainly hope he keep sharing it with us.
I personally agree that immediately locking the other threads might have been a might heavy-handed (again, personal opinion only!) but I'll note that the topic had been discussed in the past on many occasions, and the "multiple vs. single thread" issue had been brought to theodor38's attention.
I like your idea of enhancing the display of forum threads; I can envision that something like you propose could be done by "tabbing" the forums. Click on a tab to go to that forum. Would make navigation a lot easier.

Jacko

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

01/22/2005 11:00:54 PM · #24

I like it when people give as many comments as they receive.

samtrundle

Canon EOS-50D