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01/25/2005 03:13:48 PM · #76
Originally posted by hyperfocal:

I'm on my third D70 and had two d100s before them, and I've had to clean the sensor maybe ten times. And of the ten times only once did I need to touch the sensor with anything other than air. ... Practice good camera hygene. ...

That was true for me while I was using canned air (clean). The air from "puffer bottles" shifts the large particals but sprays hundreds of smaller 'sticiky' (humidity?) dust over the sensor, which can then only be cleaned with liquid. Hence the beginning of my troubles right back in the beginning.

I am reluctant to use the canned air now as the most likely cause of my camera damage was the propellant that spirted out of one can, just onc time (according to the camera techs.)

Do you use canned air? Or puffer?

Re. the good hygene - I was very careful before and I'm now paranoid about it! There's only so much the clone tool in PS can do!
01/25/2005 03:17:25 PM · #77
The sensor brush is the way to go.
01/25/2005 03:20:51 PM · #78
Originally posted by GoldBerry:

As far as I know I don't have any dust issues either. That being said, my sensor would no doubt like a good cleaning.

If you're willing to cough up that much coin to replace a camera just because the sensor is dirty, then next time take it into an official nikon dealer to be professionally cleaned. I have a feeling it'd be a wee bit cheaper.

With respect, I don't think you've read much of the above posts.

"The next time" is every few days you see. That would be completely impractical. AND, I did not buy a new camarea just because the sensor was dirty - that would be just plain stupid yes? I bought a new camera because, after following the advice of many people online (about using canned air and not puffers and about cleaning the CCD with alcohol, etc) the CCD was destroyed beyond repair after getting (we think) air-can propellant stuck between the CCD and filter glass.

If you can't see any 'dirt' in your photos, then don't worry about it. You can see any dust that is there presently by taking a 'sky shot' at F22 or higher. In my case, I ended up with hundreds (thousands?) of dust particals, which would not blow away with any kind of air. These made any kind of clone-tool cleaning in Photoshop just completely inpractical, if not impossible. (I had successfully cleaning the CCD several times with out incident up to this point by the way.)

Having written the thing off, I becamse angry, frustrated and paranoid about the whole affair - hence my original post.

You're pretty much up to date now :)
01/25/2005 03:22:52 PM · #79
Originally posted by doctornick:

The sensor brush is the way to go.

But it's soooooo rediculously expensive! :'( Granted, much cheaper than a new body, but still! I just wont deal with people who appear to be that damn greedy. He can forget it. (personal opinion.)
01/25/2005 03:54:16 PM · #80
Guys,

For $15 get the eclipse and pec pads, get a spatula from Wal-Mart and clean the CCD. Those supplies will last for years.
01/25/2005 04:07:50 PM · #81
Originally posted by gruvin:

Originally posted by doctornick:

The sensor brush is the way to go.

But it's soooooo rediculously expensive! :'( Granted, much cheaper than a new body, but still! I just wont deal with people who appear to be that damn greedy. He can forget it. (personal opinion.)


Just buy a new camera when dust gets on the sensor. Buy a new car when yours needs an oil change. Don't wash the dishes, just throw them out and get new! Why do laundry? Just wear new clothes every day. It's all disposable, right?

Seriously, if you think the brush is too much, get the pec pads and a spatula. They do have spatulas in NZ, don't they?
01/25/2005 04:18:06 PM · #82
Everyone with digital slrs seem to be paranoid about the dust / cleaning issue (myself included) a bit of caution changing lenses should minimise the risk.

Dont forget dust has plagued ALL types of photographers at some stage, have you ever tried home developing/printing/scaning of film based products? makes dust on the ccd seem like the minor inconvinience it is.

A solution to dust would be dream come true, but unless you live in a sterile lab, its just not going to happen!

Cameras need cleaning, fact of life! there are plenty of products on the market and info on how best to aproach it.

Granted Nikon etc could be more helpful, but they are covering their own backs here about not touching the ccd (People would try and clean it with washing up liquid / emery paper etc etc, i kid you not i have seen someone spray furniture polish directly into the mirror box of a very expensive 35mm SLR to "clean the mirror")

Hope you dont give up on the D70 as it is a superb bit of kit, as most DSLR's are. No camera is imune from dust, grit, hairs or user error, just enjoy the equipment and adopt a workflow to include post processing (you are the darkroom now)

01/25/2005 06:15:23 PM · #83
This is a silly thread.

if you don't want to use DSLR's, don't use them. Why whine on the forums?

My Wife has a D70 and she never have any dusts issues that she can't get rid of. Nikon don't use a strong anti-aliasing filter, so the dust tends to show up more but you should only see them if you're stopped down F16 or more.


01/26/2005 06:00:55 AM · #84
Some people can't read, apparently... I'll skip the rest of that thought.

However gruvin,
Is there any reason you can't order from B&H out of New York City?
Their 100-pk of Pec Pads is $6.50 USD, about $9.10 NZD.
//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=71154&is=REG

Unfortunately, they can't ship the Eclipse (59ml), undoubtedly due to its
flammable nature, but that's only $10.50 NDZ...
//www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=productlist&A=details&Q=&sku=127525&is=REG

Good luck with your search.
01/26/2005 06:06:44 AM · #85
Also, Colson Co. is a distributor for the company that makes the Eclipse solution and Pec Pads... they're made by the same folks as the Sensor Swab (essentially a q-tip with a Pec Pad cut to size and attached with a rubber band), which I've seen locally for $12 USD each... screw that!
01/27/2005 06:13:29 PM · #86
Originally posted by paganini:

This is a silly thread. [Ed. "In your opinion"] ... so the dust tends to show up more but you should only see them if you're stopped down F16 or more.


What can I say some of us need deep field crisp and clear images taken at at LEAST F16 - especially at 300mm or more.

With respect, I couldn't give a rats about your wife's camera. Lucky her! The FACT is, my camera (and many others), in my environment has a BIG dust problem.

Despite certifiable paranoia when changes lens etc., three or four days of outdoor shooting it the most I can get before the dust issue become too great to deal with in Photoshop.

What we are trying to establish here is the most sensible way to deal with it in the face of having purchased an expensive extended 5 year warrantee only to find out it's void if we touch the sensor - when in all practicality it is unavoidable.

So you see, this thread is NOT silly! It's about a very important issue and one that needs to have definitive answers. It also about informaing others who are yet to make the same potential and very expensive mistake in the irresponsible absence of "official" information from Nikon and others.
01/27/2005 06:19:06 PM · #87
Originally posted by animes2k:

Is there any reason you can't order from B&H out of New York City? ... they can't ship the Eclipse ... but that's only $10.50 NDZ...

Thanks for that. The prices you quote are about a fifth (1/5th) of what I've gathered elsewhere. Weird. I must have something confused. I'll check it out.

(To be honest, I've been too busy with other work lately to follow much of this up - but I definitely will. I fell a lot more confident about the whole affair now. Thanks again.)
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