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01/21/2005 01:31:11 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by micknewton: Originally posted by Azrifel: When is a comment worthy enough to make the commenters vote weigh more? |
That would be up to the person receiving the comment.
Originally posted by Azrifel: I like DPC as it is. I don't have time to leave comments on every challenge and suddenly my vote is worth less? Better not vote at all than if it is only worth 30%, it would be a waste of time. |
If you don't have time to leave comments, especially when handing out very low or very high scores, then you probably don't have time to give the photos a decent appraisal either. In that case you should come back later when you have more time. The problem is that a lot of people "don't have time" so they either don't vote at all or they just blast through 20% of the photos without even really looking at them.
I think they should do away with the 20% rule and make everyone vote on every entry before any of their votes are counted. After all, it's supposed to be a contest between a set number of entries, and if you only vote on 100 entries out of 500 then there's a good chance that you won't even see the best entries in the competition. |
I'm for that too. |
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01/21/2005 01:33:08 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Azrifel: Wouldn't people who don't get many comments (and I think there will be plenty) sink even deeper?
Perhaps that could be a way to encourage people to enter higher quality photos.
On the other hand, someone who enters some artsy stuff or something controversial could suddenly end up with a lot of heavy weighing low votes. |
There̢۪s no way of telling what all of the ramifications would be. I just think that anything that encourages (or even forces) people to really think about the votes they hand out is bound to improve the situation. How many excessively low scores (1̢۪s to 4̢۪s) have you received with no comment as to why they thought your photo deserved such a low score? With my suggestion in place those people could still hand out low scores without commenting, but their votes would affect the outcome less.
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01/21/2005 01:34:19 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by micknewton: Originally posted by Azrifel: When is a comment worthy enough to make the commenters vote weigh more? |
That would be up to the person receiving the comment. |
But in that case it does not encourage people to leave more comments. It encourages them to only leave comments on the photos they want to win. In your situation I could leave super comments on my top 5 to make sure they are marked high so the weigh the maximum. But it doesn't encourage me in any way to leave comments on lower votes. It could even discourage me if I really would want my top 5 to score the highest.
That's why I came up with the numbers and percentages.
Originally posted by micknewton:
If you don't have time to leave comments, especially when handing out very low or very high scores, then you probably don't have time to give the photos a decent appraisal either. In that case you should come back later when you have more time. The problem is that a lot of people "don't have time" so they either don't vote at all or they just blast through 20% of the photos without even really looking at them. |
For me that is not the case. I have plenty of time to vote on them all and look at them long enough. Just not the time to give a truly helpful comment. I could alway say: "Great, I love it." But to discuss composition, lighting and emotion takes a bit more, like 2 to 10 minutes a photo.
I think it is a misunderstanding that people who leave no comments don't give photos a decent appraisal. The group who don't take the time to give a justified score (without a comment) is not that big.
Originally posted by micknewton:
I think they should do away with the 20% rule and make everyone vote on every entry before any of their votes are counted. After all, it's supposed to be a contest between a set number of entries, and if you only vote on 100 entries out of 500 then there's a good chance that you won't even see the best entries in the competition. |
I fully agree with that. It should be at least 50%.
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01/21/2005 01:45:44 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by micknewton: How many excessively low scores (1̢۪s to 4̢۪s) have you received with no comment as to why they thought your photo deserved such a low score? With my suggestion in place those people could still hand out low scores without commenting, but their votes would affect the outcome less. |
I don't get many 1's or 2's lately, but quite frankly I am not at all interested in why they think it is worth so low a score. Apparently they don't understand me or simply don't like it. If you score it so low you are not interested at all. That can happen.
If there are some flaws in a photo one likes, mostly you'll get a 6 or a 7 and they will explain what's up.
With many of the low scores I hand out it is so obvious why I rate them low that I don't understand why the photographer doesn't understand it himself. Like I said in another thread, I don't think DPC is here to help people without any knowledge suddenly become better. The first step they need to make themselves by studying photography from a book (guides or galleries) or online tutorials. I don't think photographs like that should be bumped up because I didn't comment on them (or any other photo in that challenge).
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