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01/18/2005 12:06:52 AM · #51 |
"WOW I SUCK!"
...admitting you have a problem is the first step :P
Seriously, it's good to know that they were this way before you started an assignment/job. Good luck to the person that she does decide on using.
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01/18/2005 12:22:16 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by faidoi:
Good luck to the person that she does decide on using. |
and don't forget good luck to the poor sucker she is marrying ;)
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01/18/2005 01:14:12 AM · #53 |
So a woman who is getting married and likely considers it her big day and something she wants to cherish and keep memories. She decides not to go the normal route of having something cheap or free from a relative or friend who just got a camera for christmas. She has a set of things she would like done and also questions that she likely read in the various bride magazines out there in order to make sure she gets a photographer who can compete said vision on her day. Handcoloring is common and likely still popular, although mostly it's done digitally these days. Outsourcing prints is just another thing that could possibly go wrong and involves a third party. Professional training is more important to some people than others but almost everyone has a dslr these days and after shooting a few of their friends weddings can claim themselves as a professional photographer.
And yet she becomes an uninteresting, uneducated bridezilla? I would likely say she was someone who cared a lot about her special day with that one time only opportunity to get good photographs. I would be more concerned with the bride who didnt care enough about photographs. |
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01/18/2005 02:21:19 AM · #54 |
Originally posted by moodville:
So a woman who is getting married and likely considers it her big day and something she wants to cherish and keep memories. She decides not to go the normal route of having something cheap or free from a relative or friend who just got a camera for christmas. She has a set of things she would like done and also questions that she likely read in the various bride magazines out there in order to make sure she gets a photographer who can compete said vision on her day. Handcoloring is common and likely still popular, although mostly it's done digitally these days. Outsourcing prints is just another thing that could possibly go wrong and involves a third party. Professional training is more important to some people than others but almost everyone has a dslr these days and after shooting a few of their friends weddings can claim themselves as a professional photographer.
And yet she becomes an uninteresting, uneducated bridezilla? I would likely say she was someone who cared a lot about her special day with that one time only opportunity to get good photographs. I would be more concerned with the bride who didnt care enough about photographs. |
Handcoloring is still popular in some places, enough so they might ask for it. Charge extra - SOMEONE can be hired to do it, digitally or elsewise. $500. $1000. Some price gets it done, or declined.
film vs digital - either she knows not the difference, or cares not or has got fiom on the mind. Unless you have some reason in your presentation to tout one over the other, there is no need to mention it. A friend is nearly digital, except for weddings - the one thing he still does 'the old fashioned way'. Preferences.
third party printing...i don't know anyone that does their own color printing. I'm sure some DPC'rs do it, but of the 30,000 people here, i bet under 100 do it. Half of them do it well.
"but almost everyone has a dslr these days" - yeah right. in your (our) world maybe, not out there in the 'real' world. Not everyone has a slr, let alone a d-slr. Outside photo pros and hobbyists, my Rebel is RARE, and impressive to the masses. Even here, of the 30,000 folks i bet less than 20% have dSLRs.
So she cares, that can be good and bad. Misinformed and caring is a bad combination - a sure recipe for later disappointment (on her part) and then troubles on Mavrik's part.
Mavrik - Check back with her and see if you can find out who got the job. and then call him/her with your condolences!
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01/19/2005 10:38:28 AM · #55 |
hey matt,
I just read through your rant "WOW I SUCK!"
and just had to laugh!
that is very funny...
I wouldn't take it personally.
I just had a (potential) client who wanted me to drive 1.5 hours away to meet with them about their wedding. They told me they were meeting with several other photographers and they wanted me to go to their house (mind you it's 3 hours total drive for me) to discuss their day. I told them that i wouldn't drive all the way out there for an initial consultation. They responded a few days later via email saying "We were really turned off on the fact that you wouldn't even come to our house to meet with us. If we are possibly going to spend several thousand dollars on a photographer, we at least expect them to come and meet us at our house. We consulted several other photographers in our area and they thought it was very strange and very un-professional of you. This is why we are no longer considering your services."
Now tell me, am i wrong for not wanting to drive 3 hours to meet with someone who might not (they met with several other photographers) book me?
Am i "totally un-professional" for doing this?
or is it just not finacially viable for me to spend 3+ hours on a "maybe" client?
What I've learned is, you can't please everyone all the time.
And for someone to expect me to spend that much time on a maybe situation, well, that's just lame of them.
So don't take that bad apple to heart. no matter how many you please, some of them might be sour.
peace and good luck in this wedding season!
E
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01/19/2005 10:55:37 AM · #56 |
Thanks! I got your PM as well. I don't think if you KNOW you're not going to get a job you should go. We spent 2 hours on a maybe that turned out to be a YES YES YES! But she was rare. She was the one we booked the same day I wrote this rant. lol
Thanks as well - good luck in your wedding season and if we hear about anyone in your area, we'll definitely send them your way! :D
M
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01/19/2005 11:04:08 AM · #57 |
Hey Eric- I once had the band manager for Steppenwolf call me out of the blue to create an album cover for them. He wanted me to illustrate a carnival (rollercoasters, etc.) with everyone in the crowd sporting a wolf head. He asked me to show them several versions, and if the liked anything they'd pay me. It was a very brief conversation.
Oh, and Mav- as Moodville suggested, don't be so hard on the lady. Hand coloring is very important to some people, as the undead tend to look pale in photos.
Message edited by author 2005-01-19 11:08:15. |
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01/19/2005 11:10:35 AM · #58 |
It's her day and she's paying for it, yes. If I go to McDonald's and see they no longer serve ice cream but I drive up anyway and politely ask for ice cream and they say "I'm sorry ma'am, we no longer serve ice cream" to which I say "Yes, I saw that before I drove up, but I still want ice cream" and proceed to throw a tantrum. Wouldn't that make me a jerk?
P.S. Scalvert, the undead? Hilarious.
P.P.S. When I have people see my website, read my bio, book an appointment and then be shocked when I show them the same work and tell them the same bio, I kick them in the arse and bill them for wasting my time. Errr at least that's what I WANT to do.
Message edited by author 2005-01-19 11:12:04. |
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01/19/2005 11:38:04 AM · #59 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Handcoloring is common and likely still popular, although mostly it's done digitally these days. |
Which is what I told her.
Originally posted by moodville:
Outsourcing prints is just another thing that could possibly go wrong... |
Which is why Dennis Regie and Gary Fong print their own....wait, they don't.
Originally posted by moodville:
Professional training is more important to some people than others... |
She GUSHED about our work before we met. She said it was good stuff, awesome stuff, she couldn't wait to meet! Then it sucks because I don't have a BFA?
I definitely understand what you're saying mood, but in my case, she said she loved our work, she thought the prices were right - it felt like she got a case of the bad HR manager. She started the interview right out to "trip us up" and "catch us" on something.
She is definitely allowed to do whatever she wants - but I AM thankful I won't be there and I'd definitely tell my friends not to touch it with a 20000 foot pole.
M
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01/19/2005 11:39:41 AM · #60 |
This thread is such an eyeopener! I never thought people could be so inconsiderate and demanding....thanks for a good laugh though, I needed that..
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