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 01/13/2005 02:40:25 AM · #1
I am new in this forum, and also quite new to photography. So maybe that is the problem, that I am a rookie :). But checking the picture that won the Waldo's challenge I saw that there were people that had given 1, 3 and 4 points to what i think is an awesome picture.



Is there anything wrong that I missed?

Message edited by author 2005-01-13 02:42:42.
 01/13/2005 02:42:38 AM · #2
There is almost always someone giving a 1,2 or 3. Its one of the mysteries of life.......truely. Don't know why but it almost always happens.
 01/13/2005 02:44:55 AM · #3
There are alot of threads on this topic that go into detail. In summary. They are just haters. :P
 01/13/2005 02:46:56 AM · #4
No accounting for taste. Goth or Collagen. GQ or facial tattoo's .
Go figure people?
Don't sweat it :-)
 01/13/2005 02:57:56 AM · #5
Originally posted by Arancha:
... to what I think is an awesome picture.

Thanks Arancha - glad you liked it!
One thing about this form of art, is that we simply cannot please everyone, all the time. Some look at a Picasso and drool, while I might only give it a 1.
Human emotion can be an odd thing to try and understand, and is best if you don't. Please yourself first, as you are what counts - everything here is virtual and "goes away" when the power goes off.
Regards,
 01/13/2005 04:24:00 AM · #6
Originally posted by Arancha:
I am new in this forum, and also quite new to photography. So maybe that is the problem, that I am a rookie :). But checking the picture that won the Waldo's challenge I saw that there were people that had given 1, 3 and 4 points to what i think is an awesome picture.



Is there anything wrong that I missed?


It was not my favorite, but is a good picture and I gave it a much better score than that. You will find that someone has given a 1 to almost every winning picture here. I think some of the members give bad scores to the better images to try and help bring thier own score closer to a ribbon. Others get mad because thier image is doing squat and try to retaliate. It's all sick. There is no way in anyone's mind, taste or no, that these well executed images deserve a 1. There are plenty of 1s out there don't get the deserved score.
 01/13/2005 04:52:28 AM · #7
Originally posted by Arancha:
... Is there anything wrong that I missed?

No, just different people with different opinions. Just about every image has those that like it and those that don't. Some have a hard time comprehending others may not like what they like. These people look for conspiracies to explain how they actually do like it, but don't want to vote it high or some such nonsense -- but it is just a matter of taste. After all, if it was a conspiracy; how did the other two ribboning images avoid getting 1's? ;)

What wasn't liked could be anything from duotones to crashing waves, or given the nature of the contest, they may have not found Waldo and voted it down for not meeting the challenge. Don't sweat it, it is just the nature of a broad audience and the statistics of the scoring.

David
 01/13/2005 05:21:14 AM · #8
The same reason that some people like fish yet others will not touch it.


01/13/2005 06:30:40 AM · #9
Originally posted by jonpink:
The same reason that some people like fish yet others will not touch it.


Yep - good old human variation - leads to both the survival of the species and inexplicable DPC votes :P.

Of course there is also the spiteful element in play but, as an example, my best score here got more ones and two's than one of my other entries which scored a full 1.3 points lower - life wouldn't be half as fun if everyone saw things the same way.

Message edited by author 2005-01-13 06:33:10.
 01/13/2005 06:56:32 AM · #10
I've been here long enough now to realize all the reasons everyone just gave are true, but the simple fact is that the challenge rules state:

"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."

So obviously a picture that meets the challenge and is in focus and all those other things that have been talked about hundreds of times before, simple shouldn't be given a one.
But it happened, does happen and will continue to happen.
You just have to accept it as part of (DPC) Life.

Happy Snapping :-)
 01/13/2005 07:00:09 AM · #11
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I've been here long enough now to realize all the reasons everyone just gave are true, but the simple fact is that the challenge rules state:

"While voting, users are asked to keep in highest consideration the topic of the challenge and base their rating accordingly."

So obviously a picture that meets the challenge and is in focus and all those other things that have been talked about hundreds of times before, simple shouldn't be given a one.
But it happened, does happen and will continue to happen.
You just have to accept it as part of (DPC) Life.

Happy Snapping :-)


Why? If I don't like a photo at all, I give it a 1 regardless of how much it meets the challenge or not.

In most cases though I suspect it works the other way around, 1's for those whom don't quite get the connection.
 01/13/2005 07:19:04 AM · #12

"Why? If I don't like a photo at all, I give it a 1 regardless of how much it meets the challenge or not."

That kind of surprises me.
Judging by the quality of your images here and the scores you receive, I would have thought you would have been more inclined to give higher marks for image quality rather than image content.

That just goes to show ...................something, I don't know what, but it just goes to show something :-)

01/13/2005 07:26:33 AM · #13
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
"Why? If I don't like a photo at all, I give it a 1 regardless of how much it meets the challenge or not."

That kind of surprises me.
Judging by the quality of your images here and the scores you receive, I would have thought you would have been more inclined to give higher marks for image quality rather than image content.

That just goes to show ...................something, I don't know what, but it just goes to show something :-)


Ouch not sure if that is good or bad :D

I am not a huge fan of quality when judging images, more composition or location and light than anything else.

One thing I have always said is that if some National Geographic top 50 images were posted into challenges here, they would score badly because so many people like everything to be 'technically' perfect and start marking down those that aren't regardless of any other qualities the photo may have.

Again this is down to personal taste, and whilst i agree a photo should be well exposed etc there are occasions where it doesn't really matter as the image is so Strong without it, or when the content is that bland it doesn't make a difference either way.

There are also times when fussyness or grain and blur helps the shot feel 'real'

I must stress I don't give 1's that much, but I do give them unlike others whom think giving a one is being a troll.

I also give a lot of 10's :D

01/13/2005 07:38:20 AM · #14
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
I would have thought you would have been more inclined to give higher marks for image quality rather than image content.


One more point, content is king in my opinion. An example - this image



I imagine would get the following comments. To dark, color is off, lost detail in the sheets, back of man is out of focus .....

But in my opinion, the image is strong, raw and has emotion in it.

On the flip side this image:



Is technically very nice, good lighting pose etc attractive lady, but it doesn't say anything to me in comparison with the first example.

Not to say that isn't a cracking shot :D
 01/13/2005 07:38:56 AM · #15
Also, we don't really get shots like that on DPC so it never really comes into play :D

01/13/2005 07:44:56 AM · #16
I totally understand what you are saying and if everyone had the same view as me (or as you) then what a boring place this would be.
I mean, what else could we be doing with our time right now?
Working?
 01/13/2005 07:48:25 AM · #17
I really should be working right now, but I keep saying 'one last post'

Trouble is people keep replying so I keep typing :D

01/13/2005 07:55:37 AM · #18
Arancha - now you are seeing something else for the first time: the debate between the "1 is a valid vote" and the "1 is a most grievous insult and should never be used" camps.

In the end they will agree that consistency in voting, whatever your style, is the most important but that they agree to disagree on the use of 1's.
 01/13/2005 07:58:26 AM · #19
Stop replying and then I'll stop replying.
Go on, you stop typing first.
No, you.
Go on.
 01/13/2005 09:11:14 AM · #20
Originally posted by UNCLEBRO:
Stop replying and then I'll stop replying.
Go on, you stop typing first.
No, you.
Go on.


Ok :D
 01/13/2005 09:41:50 AM · #21
Wow... I know it happens all the time, but I just can't even walk in the moccasins of someone who saw that image as a "1". You may not like the subject, but to imply that aboslutely nothing is redeeming is insanity. I've only given 1/2 scores to the class of images I call lens-caps. When you can't even tell whether or not it was technically executed well it's in that area.

...But to suggest that BradP's Solitude was a "1" or "2" is proof that we haven't won the war on drugs.
 01/13/2005 09:49:44 AM · #22
could be that there are some folks who don't understand how the voting scale works. they may think they are voting highest marks when giving a 1 out ;}

BTW - i am not sure i understand what this means?

Originally posted by cghubbell:
I've only given 1/2 scores to the class of images I call lens-caps. When you can't even tell whether or not it was technically executed well it's in that area.


01/13/2005 09:57:15 AM · #23
Originally posted by soup:
could be that there are some folks who don't understand how the voting scale works. they may think they are voting highest marks when giving a 1 out ;}

BTW - i am not sure i understand what this means?

Originally posted by cghubbell:
I've only given 1/2 scores to the class of images I call lens-caps. When you can't even tell whether or not it was technically executed well it's in that area.


It means that if someone enters an image that is so poorly composed and executed that I can't tell what it was, or find anything redeeming (outside my aesthetics) I use a 1 or 2 rating. Take a look at some of the lowest rated and you'll see a few. The lowest I typically go is a 3. 3 is a total snapshot with no attention to composition, subject, or technical practices.

You may be right about the 1/2 being people who didn't understand the scale - that's a good point. It's just a shame because Solitude, whether you like landscapes or not, is a very well executed image. I've given 4-6 ratings on many images whose style I don't like, but talent I respect. To each their own.
 01/13/2005 10:19:34 AM · #24
I think they should track who gives 1's and 2's and then fry those people. I'm sure the photos that the people who gives 1's and 2's suck just as bad as they do for giving out those scores!!
 01/13/2005 10:34:42 AM · #25
A 1 on Brad's image means one of two things... either the voter couldn't find the person in the image and gave a 1 for not meeting the challenge, or his straightjacket made it difficult to reach the other end of the voting scale.
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