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01/13/2005 12:16:19 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by orussell:
First let me say I'm in no way condoning piracy. Now let me say that Adobe would much rather a home user use a pirated version of their product than buy the cheaper (or free) alternatives. If not they would be using a dongle for activation much like most of the RIP software employ. Simply put, the home user or student can potentially go out into workforce and bring their PS skills with them, but they can't if they are using someone elses software. I know some will pass this off as a lame rationalization - for the record I use PS Elements 2 like alot of Dreblers. |
hehe...and if I hadn't stolen my Canon Digital Rebel, I wouldn't be in the market for the Canon lenses I plan on buying and they'd miss out on an ultimate profit realization. No wonder the Canon rep wasn't guarding the door!
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01/13/2005 12:19:01 PM · #27 |
I was just lightheartedly agreeing that it sounds like you're rationalizing. I was likening it to stealing a Canon camera, and Canon being okay with it because I'm now a Canon customer for life!
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01/13/2005 12:25:28 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I was just lightheartedly agreeing that it sounds like you're rationalizing. I was likening it to stealing a Canon camera, and Canon being okay with it because I'm now a Canon customer for life! |
It's a little different I think because Adobe makes most of it's money from corporations and businesses. If they were considering the general public they'd lower their prices, sell more volume, and make nearly the profit they do currently. They keep their prices high because they have a market share that is the business sector. Also by keeping their prices high they create a "must have" mystique.
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01/13/2005 12:27:46 PM · #29 |
I understand, but I just won't knowingly buy pirated software, even if I convince myself that Adobe is okay with it...
Edit: I'm not saying that you suggested I do that by any means. In fact, I agree with your post (assuming it's not used to rationalize a purchase of pirated software)...
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 12:28:23.
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01/13/2005 12:28:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I understand, but I just won't knowingly buy pirated software, even if I convince myself that Adobe is okay with it... |
Neither will I.
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01/13/2005 03:56:31 PM · #31 |
BuyUSA faq
The faq above states they are selling software that was originally purchased to be 'bundled', but never made it into a bundle. The comment on the terms of service is ambiguous - it may as well mean 'copies of the software you bought from them', should you want a copy of the CD you purchased from them (you may not make your own by copyright restriction).
Then again, maybe not.
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 16:05:39.
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01/13/2005 04:05:25 PM · #32 |
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01/13/2005 04:06:29 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I have been using Elements 2.0 for the last few months and was recently pointed to a "Channel Mixer" plugin which has been great.
I'm still missing out on curves, quadtones and other great processing tools that Photoshop has. Does anybody know what Elements 3.0 actually has over and above what 2.0 has? Is it just RAW conversion? |
Elements 3 includes the new Bicubic Sharper/Bicubic Smoother resampling algorithms, which supposedly allow you to do significant resizing in one application, rather than using the "step interpolation) method of several successive smaller resamplings. |
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01/13/2005 04:06:57 PM · #34 |
I did find it, and modified my post. Apologies.
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01/13/2005 04:10:11 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by swagman:
I did find it, and modified my post. Apologies. |
No problem...you're right it is vague. I just feel that there is sufficient evidence against buysusa.com being a legitimate avenue for software purchases...
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01/13/2005 04:20:07 PM · #36 |
Simple solution. I emailed Adobe and asked. I'll post their reply.
It does seem to me if buysusa was doing something illegal, a well-known website, Adobe and others would have taken some action. I also noticed, however, their terms of service links goes to a site banneddata.com
Interesting
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 16:23:24.
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01/13/2005 04:23:22 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by swagman:
Simple solution. I emailed Adobe and asked. I'll post their reply. |
You think you're so smart...good idea!
I guess I just assumed it was not okay...but if Adobe gives a favourable reply, I've saved a bunch of money.
I look forward to hearing what they say...especially because this isn't some obscure company based out of Russia working under Russian copyright law. They are under the jurisdiction of Florida's state law, according to the web site...
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 16:24:04.
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01/13/2005 04:24:41 PM · #38 |
Problem is I placed an order already. I hope they reply quickly so I can cancel the credit card transaction if it's not legit.
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01/13/2005 04:26:33 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by swagman:
Problem is I placed an order already. I hope they reply quickly so I can cancel the credit card transaction if it's not legit. |
I see...
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01/13/2005 04:35:29 PM · #40 |
Placed the order before I read this thread. I don't use pirated software.
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01/13/2005 04:35:35 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by swagman:
Simple solution. I emailed Adobe and asked. I'll post their reply. |
Did you read my earlier reply in this thread?
There has been no such thing as "Photoshop OEM" since Photoshop 5.5.
I am very confident that if you order any version of Photoshop from that company you will not be able to register the software on Adobe's web site -- which means it is illegal. |
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01/13/2005 04:37:57 PM · #42 |
Eddy
No. I didn't read it before I ordered. Also, nothing personal, I don't know who you are or if your information is accurate, so I thought it best to go to the owner of the product. The have a web address for piracy questions.
Message edited by author 2005-01-13 16:39:12.
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01/19/2005 03:42:36 PM · #43 |
Good news for me!
My wife started another semester of classes yesterday so I asked her to look for Photoshop CS at the college bookstore/software store and to get a price...they have it priced at $365 (Canadian) for students.
I have to confirm it myself as I'm hoping that's not just the upgrade price from the previous version...
If it is $365 Canadian ($300 US), is this pretty much the best price out there right now or do you know of another option?
I'm going to try (once again) to download GIMP 2.2 and play with it for a while but ultimately I think I'll have to begin using Photoshop if I want to begin taking this more seriously...
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Also, swagman...did you receive a reply from Adobe?
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01/19/2005 04:49:24 PM · #44 |
Find out if they have a student price for the entire set of CS (Creative Suite) applications. Usually for about twice the price of any one of the programs, you also get InDesign (page layout), Illustrator (vector graphics), GoLive (web authoring, in some packages) and maybe most importantly, the complete version Acrobat (PDF creation/editing).
Or, once you have a full version of PS, you may get a discount on an upgrade to the suite later. |
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01/19/2005 05:33:46 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Good news for me!
My wife started another semester of classes yesterday so I asked her to look for Photoshop CS at the college bookstore/software store and to get a price...they have it priced at $365 (Canadian) for students.
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Do you know if the academic version is eligible for upgrades to new version (when they come out that is). Just curious? Some companies don't allow upgrades to new version, while others give you the whole product unchanged except for a nice sticker on the wrapping that states it's academic.?! |
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01/19/2005 05:41:49 PM · #46 |
Good question, Moose..I'll check it out.
General, thanks for the tip, I'll look into that as well.
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01/19/2005 05:55:04 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
I have been using Elements 2.0 for the last few months and was recently pointed to a "Channel Mixer" plugin which has been great.
I'm still missing out on curves, quadtones and other great processing tools that Photoshop has. Does anybody know what Elements 3.0 actually has over and above what 2.0 has? Is it just RAW conversion? |
Anyone using Photoshop Elements 2.0 should get the book The Hidden Powers of Photoshop Elements 2 by Richard Lynch. It lists for $40 but you can probably find it for less. The book comes with a cd-rom. From the back cover "The enclosed CD contains an extraordinary collection of tools that expand what you can do with Photoshop Elements by unveiling powerful features hidden under the hood, in cluding: Calculations, Clipping paths, Curves, Color Separations (RGB, CMYK and Lab), Channels, Color Balance, Masking, Customs vectors, Snapshots, Enhanced sharpening. This CD also contains more than 70 images and project files to use while working along with the book's exercises."
$27.20 at Amazon
From Amazon's Product Description: "The book and and tools (included on the CD) help turn Elements into a far more powerful image editor using many tools that are commonly thought not to be included with the program and many techniques thought to be impossible using Elements." (emphasis mine)
There are a lot of voices on the internet, and elsewhere, that are saying that most of the people who buy the full version of Photoshop don't need it and will never realize the value of what they pay for it.
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01/19/2005 06:13:06 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by swagman:
Eddy
No. I didn't read it before I ordered. Also, nothing personal, I don't know who you are or if your information is accurate, so I thought it best to go to the owner of the product. The have a web address for piracy questions. |
I'll vouch for the virtual veracity of EddyG, if you can do that on the imternet. I don't always agree with his opinions but, unlike some other prolific and respected posters here, his factual info has never been anything less than accurate.
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01/19/2005 06:19:24 PM · #49 |
| Academic Superstore here in the U.S sells Photoshop CS for $278 and the complete suite for $378.00 so think the Canadian price is right in line with this. All students and teachers are eligible to buy with proof to verify this. |
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01/19/2005 06:19:50 PM · #50 |
Hmm...I'm already using the free channel mixer found on the website for this book and I enjoy it.
I'd love to hear more about this from regular Photoshop users...
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