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 01/10/2005 05:06:29 AM · #26
...I think people don't belive my bokeh is genuine, I'm getting hit to the bottom, and with a very special bokeh that took a while to achive (won't try one of these tricks for a while....). Are people voting photos down instead of going through the DQ process?
 01/10/2005 05:22:00 AM · #27
Hi

I have seen some lovely entries in this challenge yet again mine is way down there 4.2 something this for me is not my worst entry but guess everyone else thinks it is :(

I just dont have what it takes to produce poster quality photographs I feel just like a snap happy mad woman. Feel like I am losing my drive to enter challenges, got to find some enthusiasm from somewhere. When I took photographs just for me I felt proud of my achievments but now I feel sad about them. Lots to think about here for me - assess where I am going with my photography.

good look everyone :)
01/10/2005 05:23:27 AM · #28
Or should I have said Good Luck :)
 01/10/2005 05:23:27 AM · #29
Originally posted by bear_music:
Lhall,

There's two working definitions of bokeh here. The one the challenge framers seemed to have in mind was an interelationship between out-of-focus backgrounds with sharp foregrounds, artefacts relatively incidental to this. The other is the technical definition of bokeh as a lens artefact produced by spherical abrerations.

I'm using the former, artistic definition to vote. Presence of artefacts is a plus in this challenge, but I'm not judging htem by technical "good" or "bad" bokeh terms; rather by how the image as a whole works.

Robt.


I agree with you here too. I lean more towards the "artistic" definition, and am voting the photos "as a whole", especially since the challenge details say "take a photograph whose subject is enhanced by the bokeh of the background"(emphasis is mine), but since the challenge is specifically bokeh, I am still looking for bokeh that somewhat "technically good" as well, and is "soft" around the edges, not very sharply defined.
01/10/2005 06:06:28 AM · #30
Originally posted by skiprow:
Originally posted by nsbca7:
Originally posted by BradP:
Guess with mine being at:

Votes: 23
Views: 40
Avg Vote: 6.8696
Comments: 1

I must have "got it", and if I hadn't, I'd be saying "so what" as it is something new and certainly a shot I really like!


Is that a good score? I noticed that some of the images you have won yellows with are above 7. Do these fluctuate or start out low? I have never entered one before, so I would like to know what to expect.

brad's scores are not a good benchmark for normal people mortals to measure by ;-)


Yeah, for "Mr. Nine Ribbons in Less Than One Year"() , that's a pretty normal score. For the rest of us we're lucky to have scores like that two or three times a year.

For me, any picture, mine or otherwise, that scores close to or over 6.0 is a great shot.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 06:07:57.
 01/10/2005 06:43:46 AM · #31
Originally posted by lhall:
Originally posted by bear_music:
Lhall,

There's two working definitions of bokeh here. The one the challenge framers seemed to have in mind was an interelationship between out-of-focus backgrounds with sharp foregrounds, artefacts relatively incidental to this. The other is the technical definition of bokeh as a lens artefact produced by spherical abrerations.

I'm using the former, artistic definition to vote. Presence of artefacts is a plus in this challenge, but I'm not judging htem by technical "good" or "bad" bokeh terms; rather by how the image as a whole works.

Robt.


I agree with you here too. I lean more towards the "artistic" definition, and am voting the photos "as a whole", especially since the challenge details say "take a photograph whose subject is enhanced by the bokeh of the background"(emphasis is mine), but since the challenge is specifically bokeh, I am still looking for bokeh that somewhat "technically good" as well, and is "soft" around the edges, not very sharply defined.


I just finished the voting, and I chose to run through and divide up the images into 3 categories -

1. The missed it by a mile cat, just no notion of Bokeh - given less than 5 but ranging from 3-5 depending on how pleasing the image is.
2. The soft and almost solid backgrounds - judged against the others in this cat
3. The sparkly backgrounds - judged against the others in this cat

Once I had them divided up, I went back to my usual voting pattern of bumping images in the thumbnail screen, but this time reviewing all cat 2 and cat 3 images by score.

I think I've been fair, but I must admit the sparklies have done better than the solids in that final round.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 06:45:02.
 01/10/2005 07:00:18 AM · #32
So, Falc, you prefer your wine with a sparkling bokeh, hih?

Robt.

01/10/2005 07:36:43 AM · #33
well the contest clearly states :
" take a photograph whose subject is enhanced by the bokeh of the background."

So NOT the foreground
and which enhances, i find many photos with just out of focus backgrounds which do not interact or enhance the focused subject

01/10/2005 08:19:57 AM · #34
Scares me, talk like this, because I'm not convinced I really know what bokeh is. Graphicfunk's message helped a bit, but now I'm not sure I get it.

Haven't had a chance to look through the challenge entries yet, but I will later today.

Originally posted by bear_music:
I agree there are some very, very good shots in this challenge. Hoever, IMO (and it's JUST my opinion) close to half the shots missed the concept of "bokeh" significantly. Many very good images are what I'd classify as "shallow DOF" shots.
01/10/2005 08:22:57 AM · #35
I'm voting on the basis of images having a subject that is enhanced by an out-of-focus background. I can't see the sense in getting hung up on undefined purist views.
 01/10/2005 08:23:28 AM · #36
I think before voting I'm going to have a few beers and get my own blurred Bokeh-vision going.
 01/10/2005 08:27:05 AM · #37
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
I think before voting I'm going to have a few beers and get my own blurred Bokeh-vision going.


Count me in!!! *burp* :-P


01/10/2005 08:29:27 AM · #38
I have never seen so many excellent pictures in any one competition... simply amazing! Well done guys, makes me a proud member of the "Losing-but-Learning" club at DPC!
01/10/2005 08:44:06 AM · #39
I think for bokeh to work in this challenge it needs to enhance your subject. This can be done by color, texture or both. Your eye should be drawn to the subject before the bokeh. I don't think enhance can be farther defined in this instance because it really depends on the subject and message you are tying to convey. Sparkly, soft, bright, dark.... all have there place. I'm not sure this helps but these are my initial thoughts on this challenge.

Good luck everybody.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 08:45:36.
 01/10/2005 08:47:33 AM · #40
I went for Bokeh that was smooth--looks like a solid background and I am getting hit for it.

Here's my alternate. Do you think this would have done better--since the bokeh is obvious, even if not as pretty? By better, I mean more than the 5.07 I'm sitting at now!

01/10/2005 09:03:26 AM · #41
Originally posted by LisaCan:
...mine is way down there 4.2 something this for me is not my worst entry but guess everyone else thinks it is :(

I just dont have what it takes to produce poster quality photographs I feel just like a snap happy mad woman....


Oh now Lisa! I've looked through your portfolio, and you have taken some beautiful photos. Bottom line, though, is whether you are having fun, as I'm sure you would agree. For me, the main benefit of DPC is that it helps me stay motivated to be out there taking pictures instead of having my days occupied with the mundane considerations of life. I bet if you didn't enter any challenges for a month, you would suffer withdrawel symptoms! Good "look" (heh heh) with your continued participation in DPC, if you choose to do so. Here's hoping you will.
01/10/2005 09:12:56 AM · #42
Originally posted by BradP:
This makes a milestone for me too, as this and WWaldo are both over 6.9...


I think a California DPC Get Together is in order... with baseball bats.
 01/10/2005 09:15:45 AM · #43
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by BradP:
This makes a milestone for me too, as this and WWaldo are both over 6.9...


I think a California DPC Get Together is in order... with baseball bats.


I'll bring the mace..
:D
 01/10/2005 09:17:23 AM · #44
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I'm ignorent... How would these hav been scored for the bokeh competition? Any comment welcome.

hahahah.. stupid me, can not even put a thumbnail in a message, sorry, I tried.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 09:19:09.
 01/10/2005 09:21:34 AM · #45
Originally posted by gibun:


Just insert the image number itself.

Both are interesting images, though the bokeh seems harsh- especially on the second one.

Message edited by author 2005-01-10 09:22:43.
 01/10/2005 09:23:55 AM · #46
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by gibun:


Just insert the image number itself.
Thank you so much... I can do some thing I could never do before...WOW...thank you!!!

Both are interesting images, though the bokeh seems harsh- especially on the second one.

01/10/2005 09:30:17 AM · #47
testing

01/10/2005 09:35:26 AM · #48
4.9 my strongest start yet. I used a shallow DOF for my shot not knowing what brokeh was. It's seems I must have been atleast close.
 01/10/2005 09:46:58 AM · #49
Originally posted by Falc:

I think I've been fair, but I must admit the sparklies have done better than the solids in that final round.


Goldfish would agree with you.
 01/10/2005 10:42:16 AM · #50
there are differing types of bokeh, be gentle on each other.

We are here to learn. If someone produced a decent image but isn;t dead on cut them some slack, we will all learn to be more distinguishing. As challenge states, the background should enhance the shot and should have some blur.

having said that my shot has gone from 6.3 to 6.9 to 6.2,
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