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01/01/2005 09:13:48 PM · #1 |
| I really need to clone out some major elements in a photo, not just minor spots here and there. I know cloning is allowed in advanced but to what extent. I have some major distractions I'd like to eliminate. Maybe someone has some suggestions to "wipeout " an annoying portion of background. If I had more time I'd set up the background and reshoot. :-) |
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01/01/2005 09:27:24 PM · #2 |
That's a curious choice of words meg. I think it is the same as in the rules. You can't move "major elements". Defining what constitutes a "major element" is a grey area. You can remove "minor distractions". But if you have called the distraction you want to take out major, don't be surprised if the Site Council agrees with you if your entry is reviewed for possible DQ. How good are you at cloning?
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01/01/2005 09:37:06 PM · #3 |
| for example there is a chair in the background that I really wish wasn't there and it does detract from the picture slightly. I agree that I wouldn't like to be DQ for over cloning. It's a great photo but now I think I won't take the risk and just go with another !:-) |
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01/01/2005 09:52:51 PM · #4 |
A chair would probably be a major element. At least I would think so. :) Good luck with the other photo hehe
M
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01/02/2005 01:14:34 AM · #5 |
Minor distractions are in my mind things like lint on a suit or a blemish on someone's face -- i.e. not individual points of interest in and of themselves. However, I recall that not too long ago (few months maybe) there was an image of a lone tree in an otherwise empty garden (or such, memory a bit foggy) -- but the photographer had cloned out a promiscuous couple and a small lad present in the original. It may have been DQed, but I don't recall that it was.
Bottom line is we can all guess which way the SC will vote on an image, the only safe thing to do is PM a member of the SC (or several if the need is urgent) and enlist their aid in getting a ruling on the specific editing you wish to do.
David
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01/02/2005 01:40:30 AM · #6 |
| See if you can select the major element and color shift or dodge/burn it to match the surroundings better, then clone a few small spots to help it blend in. By not cloning or moving the major element, you might squeak it through that way. |
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01/03/2005 04:29:40 AM · #7 |
| Thanks everyone for your feedback. I might keep that point in mind scalvert, may need to try that in the future. I ended up choosing another photo for the candid submission to keep it safe !:-) |
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01/03/2005 09:24:33 AM · #8 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
See if you can select the major element and color shift or dodge/burn it to match the surroundings better, then clone a few small spots to help it blend in. By not cloning or moving the major element, you might squeak it through that way. |
I'm afraid not. The advanced rules state:
Selective Editing: Adjustments can be made selectively to your photo. Cloning, dodging, burning, etc. to improve your photo or remove imperfections or minor distracting elements, etc. is acceptable. However, using any editing tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not permitted (emphasis added).
The Advanced Rules are in almost all cases concerned with what you do to your photograph, and not how you do it.
-Terry
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01/03/2005 12:32:53 PM · #9 |
I'm confused:
Selective Editing: Adjustments can be made selectively to your photo. Cloning, dodging, burning, etc. to improve your photo or remove imperfections or minor distracting elements, etc. is acceptable. However, using any editing tools to duplicate, create, or move major elements of your photograph is not permitted (emphasis added).
As I read this, it's ok to burn the heck out of some areas (we'd do this in film photography, no problem), but what we can't do is MOVE "major elements", or CREATE them, or DUPLICATE them. "Major elements", folks. So anything that mutes out or even REmoves a distracting element is ok. Like, a flawless landscape with a single telephone wire arching across the upper left corner: clone the surrounding sky over it, should be fine, as I read this.
Anyone with review authority care to confirm or refute this conclusion? I sure need to know...
Robt.
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