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01/01/2005 10:24:41 PM · #126 |
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01/01/2005 10:25:51 PM · #127 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Due to those who cannot or will not control themselves, and who continue to insist on hijacking threads and turning everything into political rant, this thread is being moved to the Rant Forum. |
THANK YOU KIRBIC
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01/01/2005 10:26:25 PM · #128 |
Originally posted by deapee:
What do you have to be proud to live in canada for? What has canada done? What interest does anyone have in anything that goes on in canada?
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What has canada done? Canadian troops openned the way for Americans in Dieppe during WWII. They were there way before Americans were even concerned about it... The Canadians are the great heros that remained in the US shadow.
Why am I pround of being a Canadian? My government had the balls to say NO. We will not join you guys in bombing a bunch of innocent civilains in order to punish those that yes, like you said, beheaded and mistreated it's own people... And don't kid yourselves... USA does not want to protect anybody but those who have something of value (Is oil something of value? yes, yes it is...) How come you don't see Americans saving children from prostitution in Thailand? What's in thailand that America could use?
That's one of the reason why I'm proud to be a Canadian.
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01/01/2005 10:29:15 PM · #129 |
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by deapee:
Originally posted by photodude:
The US does not operate as a terrorist nation. We do not randomly target civilians. If we acted in that manner we could flatten the whole place and just move on |
That's my idea...just flatten everyone. I'm sick and tired of listening to other counrties who envy the US point out every little thing they think is wrong with us. Just level them all I say. |
How about... Just leaving them alone? Leave their country and let them decide what kind of regime they want with the culture and values they have? |
America would have done that. Unfortunately, IRAQ didn't have any control of their own nation. A group of terrorists had complete control of their country -- and we put an end to that.
People were beheaded in the streets. Men sat and watched as members of that terrorist organization came into their homes and raped their wives right infront of their faces.
Don't sit here and tell me that America not being a coward and stepping up to do something about the horrible treatment of PEOPLE is wrong. There's such a thing as going to far -- maybe we've gone too far, but there's also such a thing as not going far enough -- which canada is definately guilty of.
What do you have to be proud to live in canada for? What has canada done? What interest does anyone have in anything that goes on in canada?
America, on the other hand, has accomplished more than any country in the entire world -- and we've had our downfalls...and we air our problems out there like dirty laundry for the rest of the world to see and ridicule us. And after they're done poking their noses in our business, and they're in need of some help -- who's the first person every country runs to?
(And yes, I called America a country -- please don't correct me in saying it's not -- I think everyone gets the point). |
I completely agree! I've been all over the world, I was born, raised, and live in Colorado. When I was younger I thought Americans were rude, then I moved to Germany for 6 months. I've never been treated so rudely by anyone ever. Except in France. In fact, the only people who didn't verbally harrass and brow beat me for being American were the Dutch.
The thing is racism is only acknowledged when there is a 'race' in question. I don't think you have to be a skin head to be racist. I've seen more racism subtly hidden within more forums than this one. It's the same thing when you sit and type about a country being 'terrorists'. That's just bull shit. There are a few in every country who are completely insane and believe moronic shit. Look at hitler, the only difference between hitler and the talaban is that hitler massacred about a million people (this may not be the actual number) by marching them into death camps. The talaban flaunts it's blatent disregard for any human life. They take hostages, they demand shit for peoples lives. That is disgusting in any right. That doesn't mean all of Iraq is evil, or terrorists. What it means is that anywhere you'll find a crazy bastard willing to behead someone for idiodic reasons, we'll be there to do what's RIGHT and stop it. Any time someone threatens our people which the talaban continuously does, or fly planes into buildings containing NO MILITARY ANYTHING is asking to be blown the hell up.
The worlds sits and says 'someone should do something about that'. As soon as we do, we are brow beaten for how we do it. Don't hate the players, hate the game.
correction, the pentagon does contain military stuff for those of you who want to be technical
Message edited by author 2005-01-01 22:32:06.
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01/01/2005 10:29:51 PM · #130 |
This was not a hijacking, the original topic had to do with a loss of rights to photograph in public places. While it certainly turned into a post 9/11 forum, I think most of us would agree that 9/11 is the root cause for that issue.
We are all big boys and girls and these issues do relate to photography. Another example is the pending ban on photography in the NY City subway. these things do matter |
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01/01/2005 10:32:37 PM · #131 |
Originally posted by photodude:
This was not a hijacking, the original topic had to do with a loss of rights to photograph in public places. While it certainly turned into a post 9/11 forum, I think most of us would agree that 9/11 is the root cause for that issue.
We are all big boys and girls and these issues do relate to photography. Another example is the pending ban on photography in the NY City subway. these things do matter |
I agree. |
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01/01/2005 10:36:33 PM · #132 |
Originally posted by magicshutter:
... The talaban flaunts it's blatent disregard for any human life. They take hostages, they demand shit for peoples lives. That is disgusting in any right. That doesn't mean all of Iraq is evil, or terrorists. What it means is that anywhere you'll find a crazy bastard willing to behead someone for idiodic reasons, we'll be there to do what's RIGHT and stop it. Any time someone threatens our people which the talaban continuously does, or fly planes into buildings containing NO MILITARY ANYTHING is asking to be blown the hell up... |
Talibahn = Afgahnistan
AlQaida = Afganistan (base of operation)
9/11 = Al Qaida
focus of WAR = IRAQ
Edit: fixed above,as it was AlQaida responsible for 9/11, not Afgahnistan (majority were actually Saudi).
And, I'm just being an a$$, cause I know the point you were getting at. ;-)
Message edited by author 2005-01-01 22:40:00.
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01/01/2005 10:39:44 PM · #133 |
Originally posted by photodude:
This was not a hijacking, the original topic had to do... |
You just defined a hijacking but started out by saying it wasn't... Clinton supporter?
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01/01/2005 10:40:55 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by photodude:
This was not a hijacking, the original topic had to do with a loss of rights to photograph in public places. While it certainly turned into a post 9/11 forum, I think most of us would agree that 9/11 is the root cause for that issue.
We are all big boys and girls and these issues do relate to photography. Another example is the pending ban on photography in the NY City subway. these things do matter |
I agree, what made it that is people chiming in about how great it is to NOT be 'American' (you people in Canada live in AMERICA too! We are the UNINTED STATES OF AMERICA). You imply that we are 'less fortunate' for living in a country that doesn't always flow the way we all paddle. It's not wrong to see things differently, or believe in opposite things. I think we all agree it's wrong to kill people for a ransom never given. It's wrong for police, in any part of the world, to harrass citizens or tourists for doing what we have done from the creation of photography.
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01/01/2005 10:42:52 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by photodude:
This was not a hijacking, the original topic had to do... |
You just defined a hijacking but started out by saying it wasn't... Clinton supporter? |
A hijacking in this respect would be to change the subject. I think the thread is still on the main topic, but has shifted to the cause as opposed to the effect. Which includes opinions on why the cause is the cause.
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01/01/2005 10:43:39 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
Originally posted by magicshutter:
... The talaban flaunts it's blatent disregard for any human life. They take hostages, they demand shit for peoples lives. That is disgusting in any right. That doesn't mean all of Iraq is evil, or terrorists. What it means is that anywhere you'll find a crazy bastard willing to behead someone for idiodic reasons, we'll be there to do what's RIGHT and stop it. Any time someone threatens our people which the talaban continuously does, or fly planes into buildings containing NO MILITARY ANYTHING is asking to be blown the hell up... |
Talibahn = Afgahnistan
AlQaida = Afganistan (base of operation)
9/11 = Al Qaida
focus of WAR = IRAQ
Edit: fixed above,as it was AlQaida responsible for 9/11, not Afgahnistan (majority were actually Saudi).
And, I'm just being an a$$, cause I know the point you were getting at. ;-) |
It's all good ;) Debate kicks ass!
Joe
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01/01/2005 10:53:53 PM · #137 |
Originally posted by magicshutter:
A hijacking in this respect would be to change the subject. I think the thread is still on the main topic, but has shifted to the cause as opposed to the effect. Which includes opinions on why the cause is the cause. |
Before the thread was locked, photography wasn't mentioned for over 50 or 60 posts... I stand by my definition!
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01/01/2005 10:55:49 PM · #138 |
I believe they keep attacking us because they know that they've been invaded and they will never be rid of the US government's influence in their country, either through indirect control, such as what the US had with Iran and the Shah, and also they do not want American business interests in their country, which is exactly what's going on there.
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
How about... Just leaving them alone? Leave their country and let them decide what kind of regime they want with the culture and values they have? |
For the first time in recent history they will be allowed to decide what kind of regime, culture and values they will have and it's all because we stepped in! What's the worst thing you can do to a terrorist based organization? Give the people the choice! Why do you think that they keep attacking us now as hard as they do... |
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01/01/2005 11:00:16 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by magicshutter:
A hijacking in this respect would be to change the subject. I think the thread is still on the main topic, but has shifted to the cause as opposed to the effect. Which includes opinions on why the cause is the cause. |
Before the thread was locked, photography wasn't mentioned for over 50 or 60 posts... I stand by my definition! |
Ron, I think you're referring to the other thread, and Joe is referring to the this one. The other did veer way off topic before it was rightfully locked.
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01/01/2005 11:01:52 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by frychikn:
As to your arrogant stereotyping, believe me NOTHING keeps me glued to the TV screen (except perhaps a good football game!) and TV advertising doesn't sell me shit. |
I don't see how that is arrogant. I really don't. Canadians consume just as much TV as you guys.
Again... This discussion is not about you. It's about the majority of citizens... That's how discussions like these turn sour. We talk about large amounts of people... and there's always someone to ask: "What the hell did he say about me?"
I wasn't talking about you buddy! I don't know you and because of that I would never make a comment about you |
I do not wish to enter into this silly argument, I just wanted to correct an error in fact.
The average Canadian views 22 hours of TV per week and the last figures that I have for the average American is more than 28 hours per week. So, this is a big difference, about 28%!
As well, the diversity of the Canadian TV channels is significantly more far ranging than the channels found on the American dial. We have more channels, more ethnic mix, more foreign viewpoints.
Canadian news is considered to be near the best and most non-bias in the world, close to the BBC. The primary reason that the major USA networks hire so many Canadian newsreporters is because they can pass as Americans to the American viewer and can easily access countries where the USA passport is not as welcome. We all expect our more recent export - JD Roberts - who now sports the Yankee name, John Roberts, to replace Dan Rather at CBS.
"Americans watch TV, whereas Canadians watch American TV". There is a huge difference. It is all about perspective and balance.
So, let's be clear here. I am commenting on the TV comment, not the silly argument that has hijacked this thread.
Message edited by author 2005-01-01 23:15:33.
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01/01/2005 11:06:26 PM · #141 |
When come back bring pie.
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01/01/2005 11:19:47 PM · #142 |
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01/01/2005 11:20:13 PM · #143 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I believe they keep attacking us because they know that they've been invaded and they will never be rid of the US government's influence in their country, either through indirect control, such as what the US had with Iran and the Shah, and also they do not want American business interests in their country, which is exactly what's going on there.
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That's what I believe too. Anyways, it's been fun for me. I love debating. I hope noboby gets any hard feeling towards anyone... I don't. We all have opinions, based on the culture we lived in, plus the family that raised us, and the friends we've hung out with, and our own researches of knowledge through litterature and such... No cultures are the same, don't expect people to be either.
See take advantage of these debates as one more way to study all the possible answers. Use all of your background teachings to do what human beings do that sets themselves aside from the other habitants of this planet... The ability to think, the way no computer could ever do.
The numbers of formulas a thought could ever go through are so infinate, the result could not be any different.
No one will ever exactly see eye-to-eye... Truly take interest in different answers than yours... They are the missing numbers complementary to the rest of your background data. Expand! See the whole universe through your eyes...
So I'm signing off for tonight. I wish you all a happy new year.
-Simon
P.S. Please don't start a US/Canada war until april-may, our camo uniforms don't perform well in the snow... :-(
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01/01/2005 11:22:57 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
... How come you don't see Americans saving children from prostitution in Thailand? ..... |
Do we see Canadians saving children from prostitution in Thailand? |
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01/01/2005 11:23:43 PM · #145 |
Originally posted by Morgan:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by frychikn:
As to your arrogant stereotyping, believe me NOTHING keeps me glued to the TV screen (except perhaps a good football game!) and TV advertising doesn't sell me shit. |
I don't see how that is arrogant. I really don't. Canadians consume just as much TV as you guys.
Again... This discussion is not about you. It's about the majority of citizens... That's how discussions like these turn sour. We talk about large amounts of people... and there's always someone to ask: "What the hell did he say about me?"
I wasn't talking about you buddy! I don't know you and because of that I would never make a comment about you |
I do not wish to enter into this silly argument, I just wanted to correct an error in fact.
The average Canadian views 22 hours of TV per week and the last figures that I have for the average American is more than 28 hours per week. So, this is a big difference, about 28%!
As well, the diversity of the Canadian TV channels is significantly more far ranging than the channels found on the American dial. We have more channels, more ethnic mix, more foreign viewpoints.
Canadian news is considered to be near the best and most non-bias in the world, close to the BBC. The primary reason that the major USA networks hire so many Canadian newsreporters is because they can pass as Americans to the American viewer and can easily access countries where the USA passport is not as welcome. We all expect our more recent export - JD Roberts - who now sports the Yankee name, John Roberts, to replace Dan Rather at CBS.
"Americans watch TV, whereas Canadians watch American TV". There is a huge difference. It is all about perspective and balance.
So, let's be clear here. I am commenting on the TV comment, not the silly argument that has hijacked this thread. |
Very cool insight! Thanks! Did you know JD Robert used to be a VJ at Muchmusic. He had long hair and hosted the "Power Hour", one hour of Heavy Metal videos!
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01/01/2005 11:28:52 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
... How come you don't see Americans saving children from prostitution in Thailand? ..... |
Do we see Canadians saving children from prostitution in Thailand? |
No, because we mind our own business. Other culture, differant values. It's sad to say but, for them, of course it's problem, but they don't perceive it as bad as North-American people would. It would be stupid to go there and start a war (or even military presence) over something so wrong for us, but not something that they like to see a war going on on their grounds for... That way, we are not imposing our cultural values upon them.
Think about it...
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01/01/2005 11:37:55 PM · #147 |
If you think it's bad now with photographers getting harassed wait until after the inauguration in a few weeks, or wait until Alberto Gonzales gets approved for John Ashcroft's Attorney General post, or when the Domestic Security Enhancement Act gets passed.
Interesting to note about these types of harassment is that they happen a lot when private citizens, especially those of businesses or companies, make complaints. I have been in NYC on a number of occassions recently and it seems that every other person is carrying a camera around their neck and photographing many buildings and what not, yet I doubt they are being questioned by the authorities.
It's part of the "ownership" society.
One of the purposes, I believe, of harassing amateur photographers is to send a message to journalists not to stick their noses too deeply into certain areas, unless they are "embedded," of course. This is to prevent the heists that will be perpetrated over the next 4 years from being brought to light. There will be many kinds, such as banking and financial, social security, civil/constitutional rights, democracy and election heists...scandals, such as S&L, BCCI, and of course, the heists overseas.
US government thrives on secrecy and not openess. Taking pictures is part of the openess they fear. Count on more problems down the road. My opinion. |
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01/01/2005 11:38:44 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by grandmarginal:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
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P.S. Please don't start a US/Canada war until april-may, our camo uniforms don't perform well in the snow... :-( |
How about a massive snow ball fight! :P
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01/01/2005 11:50:40 PM · #149 |
Oh yeah! Another thing just popped in my head about Canada/USA differances (going back to the beginning of the thread...) One major difference between the two countrys, is the way politics are influenced by religion. American president Georges W. Bush openly talks about his faith in the Great Lord. Where as in Canada, if Prime Minister Paul Martin was asked in an interview about his faith, there is no way he would go as deep as Mr. Bush has.
In Canada, religion became something rather personnal to ask someone since most people became non-praticant or atheiste. Since most Canadian dissociated themselves with the church, the wide array of spritual beliefs makes it something hard to explain exactly where we're at on the God thing. Eventhouh religion is very personnal, Atheistist are well pericieved by the majority of people... I believe it's different in the States. So to make my point without making any judgements, religion in politics is very different in both countrys.
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01/01/2005 11:52:03 PM · #150 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
Ron, I think you're referring to the other thread, and Joe is referring to the this one. The other did veer way off topic before it was rightfully locked. |
I meant to say moved... I was refering to this hijacked thread... Good to see it's kinda back where it started though.
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