Please don't contact me about my comments, pretty

12/21/2004 07:39:53 AM · #1

When I get a PM from someone, still being voted on, asking me to explain my score, well then I think that's not the way it should be. In fact, if you need more info I'd gladly discuss it after the competition closed. But surely, telling me exactly what pic, by whom etc is not the way it should be done. Sure, I did the same in the beginning, but with a difference, I thanked each and every one who made a comment and I tried to not even hint at what pic I submitted.
Please, as common curtesy, let's not get into that at this stage.

12/21/2004 07:40:49 AM · #2

You should make yourself anonymous in your profile page if you want to avoid this, as most people don't read the forums. That's what the feature was implemented for.

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

12/21/2004 07:53:13 AM · #3

Kanador,
Agree and disagree, the voting process in itself in essence is designed in such a fasion that I should not know who I'm voting for.... I want to give comments, openly, and maintain the secret of submission. However, if in the process of voting still, a member identifies him/herself, he/she is wrong.

However, that's the way it is and I suppose I have a choice: give feedback with a bag over my head, or don't give feedback. Difficult choice for me. Must think about that one.

colda

Nikon D800

12/21/2004 07:58:19 AM · #4

Because of this issue I try to do comments on a second pass such that my score and comment are not linked

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

12/21/2004 08:04:25 AM · #5

I don't like the bag icon personally but it's what the majority of the SC wanted :(

KaDi

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

12/21/2004 08:06:23 AM · #6

Originally posted by colda:

Because of this issue I try to do comments on a second pass such that my score and comment are not linked

But you actually leave comments. The last 50 or so of gibun's "comments" are simply detailed voting breakdowns. And when you go flinging around the 3's and 4's without further explanation something's bound to get flung back.

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

12/21/2004 08:19:43 AM · #7

Originally posted by KaDi:

Originally posted by colda:
Because of this issue I try to do comments on a second pass such that my score and comment are not linked

But you actually leave comments. The last 50 or so of gibun's "comments" are simply detailed voting breakdowns. And when you go flinging around the 3's and 4's without further explanation something's bound to get flung back.

Point taken, however 'flinging around 3's and 4's' may not be a true reflection and may imply the majority of the '50 or so' are 3's and 4's and that's not true. As a basic princple I very hesitantly give a 3 or a 4 and they are far less than the better scores. I suppose I should check what % of my total scores where 3's and 4's ... not that it would make a difference in perception.

Must say, without putting on my glass slippers, probably better not to give any comment, no feedback no comeback nor implying a flinging of low scores. sad, but true.

strangeghost

Canon EOS-7D

12/21/2004 08:20:39 AM · #8

Make yourself anonymous. It's not hiding, it's not chicken. You're anonymous for exactly as long as the owners of the challenge entries are. I have not received a single PM from a challenge participant after I left a comment since this feature was enabled. 'Nuff said.

-J

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

12/21/2004 08:34:23 AM · #9

your average vote given is 4.91

Originally posted by gibun:

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

12/21/2004 08:37:49 AM · #10

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt guys. My average vote given was 4.9 for ages and it doesnt mean I didn't give lots of high scores.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

12/21/2004 08:39:57 AM · #11

now, now, let's not get out the tar and feathers...

voting is as much a learning process as is photography. gibun hasn't been around but for a couple months, so he's still learning the ropes. maybe he just needs to spend a little more time working out his definition of what meets the challenge before he starts voting...

soup

Canon EOS-30D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

12/21/2004 08:40:27 AM · #12

not intending too - he said he needed to check his average - merely pointing it out. mines like 5.1 something...

Originally posted by Konador:

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt guys. My average vote given was 4.9 for ages and it doesnt mean I didn't give lots of high scores.

Message edited by author 2004-12-21 08:47:03.

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

12/21/2004 08:45:46 AM · #13

Originally posted by Konador:

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt guys. My average vote given was 4.9 for ages and it doesnt mean I didn't give lots of high scores.

Exactly. If someone has a higher standard for photography, the majority of the shots on DPC could be considered average. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone having a higher standard and voting as such.

Edit: Boy, I type slow. :-)

Message edited by author 2004-12-21 08:46:27.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

12/21/2004 08:46:42 AM · #14

I've been on both ends of comments during voting and have a couple of thoughts:

Being fairly new to DPC I LOVE getting feedback (comments) on challenge photos, unfortunately they are not as frequent as preferred (good or bad) to be helpful as a learning tool. To me it doesn't matter if they are anonymous or not. Part of the frustration that may (I stress MAY) be at the root of the comment directed at the method some use for leaving comments during challenges. That method being just the posting of numbers without basis for the numbers, i.e. Composition: 6, Technical: 7, etc, etc... What would have improved the photo in that commenters opinion? Numbers are fine, but also say what was good, bad, etc...

Sorry for the sidetrack, back to the original posting direction.

I've PM'd someone (twice) after comments - only to say thank you when the comments were unusually kind and or above average helpful. To seek additional comments from someone who HAS taken the time to comment already is inappropriate IMO.

On the flip side I have rec'd a couple of PM's during voting where the person that rec'd my comments felt they needed to explain, or wanted additional feedback. I'll admit this made me a bit uneasy because I didn't want to leave that person hanging, but I also didn't want to get involved in some long drawn out commenting process.

Long winded I know...couldn't resist! That's my two cents. :-)

TooCool

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

Canon EF 50mm f/1.8 II

12/21/2004 08:54:35 AM · #15

Feel free to PM me during any challenge that I've commented on. I especially like the PM's that come from people who think that their picture is god's gift to photography. You know the ones that won't accept that there is room for improvement. The ones that get extremely defensive when you give constructive critism. In fact the meaner the response the better! I'm entertained by those with small minds.

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

12/21/2004 08:59:04 AM · #16

Originally posted by Konador:

Lets not turn this into a witch hunt guys. My average vote given was 4.9 for ages and it doesnt mean I didn't give lots of high scores.

But a fair comment is a fair comment, and soup is right.At least his average is at 5.1. As long as I know in my heart I am honest in my opinion and intend, nothing else matters.

But flinging 3's and 4's, fom a person whose bio reflects my sentiment about the real issue at hand, just does not stick. Just a quick look at my stats say I have used the scoring about 55 times of which 5 was combined with more comments, and 23 reflected scores higher than 5, that too is a fact. The 2nd fact that the balance of about 27 is less than 5 is a true reflection that of all the callenges since I started using the scale, I only had 27 less than 5's. It should be interesting to see what % the 27 represents of all the hundreds of votes I have made since then. If it would have served a purpose to calculate such a small percentage, I might have done that.

However, what is the point, playing the ball not the man, of this threat... Please don't contact me. That should be the basic. Hiding in a bag? Nope, stop giving feedback.What I have intended, was to give the less lucky photographer some guideline, some point of reference. Yes it's not the ideal, but miles better thangetting nothing at all. And that is really all I have to say.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

12/21/2004 09:23:17 AM · #17

Since the majority of the photographs are NOT anonymous anyway because people share their potential submission files with fellow DPCâ��ers before they submit their photograph, I donâ��t see a problem with people PMâ��ing me about a comment during the voting period. However you do and it is your right. DPChallenge has offered a tool to keep you hidden during the voting period but you may not like that and I can understand. May I suggest another attempt to keep people from PMâ��ing you during a challenge-voting period?
On the first line of your bio [It will be directly under your Private Message Link] in bold write the following:
PLEASE DO NOT PM ME ABOUT A COMMENT I HAVE MADE ON YOUR PHOTOGRAPH DURING THE VOTING PERIOD. PLEASE RESPECT MY WISHES

Message edited by author 2004-12-21 09:26:30.

ahaze

12/21/2004 09:25:45 AM · #18

You are bringing this problem upon yourself, in two ways. 1- by not using the anonymous feature implemented to avoid exactly what you're talking about, and 2- by feeling the need to respond to the PMs at all before the challenge ends. Since voting on Classy and Deja opened I've received two comments explaining the shots and the circumstances. I haven't gone back again and looked at the photos in question and I haven't replied to the artists. I stopped doing that at all after the last time an artist jumped down my throat about my vote and comment. I was gone for a long time after that happened too, didn't really feel a desire to be here.

By the same token, I received a comment from the photographer of the image I chose to tribute in Deja Vu. Much as I want to PM him to let him know that one of his assumptions about my image is wrong, I'm resisting that urge cause I know it won't make any difference.

If you refuse to comment anonymously, then just ignore the PMs till after the challenge. If you won't do that then you're just bitching to hear yourself bitch. (Don't take this personal, we all do it.) You aren't going to be able to change anything about the way it works except for YOUR OWN actions.

What it comes down to is that we do this for fun and to help ourselves learn. By coming to a competition site we're saying "other peoples opinion of my work matters to me." If it didn't, we wouldn't bother to compete and be critiqued by voters. And as voters we don't learn what we like and don't like unless we study the art presented to us and respond honestly.

When we get our noses this bent out of shape about the voting (either as the voter or the votee) we're defeating the purpose.

ahaze

12/21/2004 09:27:41 AM · #19

Originally posted by SDW65:

Since the majority of the photographs are NOT anonymous anyway because people share their potential submission files with fellow DPCâ��ers before they submit their photograph

Since when? To my knowledge that's a big no-no. And be careful about using the word "majority", that would be quite an exaggeration.

SDW

Canon EOS-60D

Tamron AF 28-300mm f/3.5-6.3 XR Di LD Aspherical IF for Canon

12/21/2004 09:31:00 AM · #20

Originally posted by ahaze:

Originally posted by SDW65:
Since the majority of the photographs are NOT anonymous anyway because people share their potential submission files with fellow DPCâ��ers before they submit their photograph

Since when? To my knowledge that's a big no-no. And be careful about using the word "majority", that would be quite an exaggeration.

All I can say is that I had a member of the site council say it was ok. I will try to find the link.
Sorry about using â��majorityâ��, EDIT: Some

12/21/2004 09:35:13 AM · #21

DPC doesn't claim exclusive rights to your photos. You can do whatever you want with them as well as posting them to challenges. The only thing we ask is to try and maintain your anonimity by not posting your photo to the forums or portfolios here to ask for opinions. You can ask friends (whether they are members of DPC or not) for opinions, you can ask professionals for opinions, you can post it on other websites, whatever. It's not against the rules but some people may choose to vote down your photo if they believe you've broken the spirit of the rules by not keeping it anonymous.

Message edited by author 2004-12-21 09:35:34.

Sigma 100-300mm f/4.0 EX IF HSM for Nikon

12/21/2004 09:43:15 AM · #22

Thank you all for your comments. As always, I'm willing to learn. I'm also willing to stir (and to be stirred) as long as the end result is personal growth and or getting people the look again and think again.

Yip, this is for fun... let's have fun, I really enjoy my time here.

MrYu

Nikon D70

12/21/2004 10:40:22 AM · #23

Originally posted by gibun:

Perhaps you should refrain from commenting. Your comments are absolutely useless and just irritating. I don't care what mark you have given to my photo and how have come up to that if you are only communicating the fact, without any explanation or sense behind it. Save yourself some time.