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12/20/2004 07:32:46 PM · #26 |
| Thanks for all the background info Daniel. This is very clearly about as far from "digital art" as you can get. I keep thinking of more examples of past ribbon winners that were supported as "not digital art" by some top names on this site, that went way beyond the minor adjustments you made to this shot. Excellent work, and congratulations (since I got caught up in the debate and forgot earlier). |
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12/20/2004 07:36:39 PM · #27 |
| Dan, it's all about having the vision to forsee a shot like that, then the ability to pull it off. Kudos to you and congrats again on the blue ribbon. |
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12/20/2004 07:40:44 PM · #28 |
I am still in awe of this shot, and the thought process to make it happen.
The original, from the camera is pretty much good enough to stand on it's own right. I do not see the editing that did happen as even borderline suspect, and am quite amazed it is being debated.
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12/20/2004 07:40:54 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
The floodgates are already open. Just rename the categories to "Basic Rules" and "Anything Goes Rules". |
The floodgates were closed back up in April/May when we went through the digital art backlash here (which, for what its worth, I was in agreement with). The rules were clarified, and the advanced edit rules are very definitely not "anything goes". |
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12/20/2004 07:41:00 PM · #30 |
Daniel...thank you.
I wish you were my mentor (and more than just photographically)! |
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12/20/2004 08:37:26 PM · #31 |
| Daniel-A wonderful job of illusion using more of the mind's eye than software, Very creative! |
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12/20/2004 08:37:43 PM · #32 |
A warm thank you to all. In closing this thread I just want to make a final observation to those that liked the image and to those who feel otherwise about it or simply indifferent because you are purist at heart or that you feel that when images are stretched, even under basic editing, these are not to your taste.
Well, it is the perpective that is vital in these type of discussions. I like all photography that is done well and I admire the masters in each in their respective fields. Now, when you insert the artistic element the entire dynamic changes. Now, you are using photography as a tool for your art.
Well, photography is a tool and notice the wonderful tool that it is. Always look, even at images that you yourself may never make. The moment that you close the iron gate by saying and believing that the art/craft that you practice is the only real one then you halt your growth. I have a theory about the muse. If you stipulate too much she does not cometh. She likes an open mind as simple as that of a child. If you suffer from very strong likes and dislikes you limit yourself. Likes and dislikes are perimeters placed arbitrarily to bring certain things in and keep certain things out. The Muse finds herself at home when you flow unimpeded. The moment you interfere with your supposed knowledge, you don't need her. Many artist reach a point where the kiss of fame touches them and they think they have arrived and then begin to cement opinions and very shortly they accentuate their knowledge and reach stasis. They then grow caustic in their comment and expect all to bow before them. This is involution. The muse is gone because it can not co-exist with arrogance.
To make it short: express your ideas the best you know. learn from others and feel free to examine other styles. Photography has no ownership, it is a tool, period...only you make it an artform.
Message edited by author 2004-12-20 20:40:45. |
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12/20/2004 08:41:47 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
A warm thank you to all. In closing this thread I just want to make a final observation to those that liked the image and to those who feel otherwise about it or simply indifferent because you are purist at heart or that you feel that when images are stretched, even under basic editing, these are not to your taste.
Well, it is the perpective that is vital in these type of discussions. I like all photography that is done well and I admire the masters in each in their respective fields. Now, when you insert the artistic element the entire dynamic changes. Now, you are using photography as a tool for your art.
Well, photography is a tool and notice the wonderful tool that it is. Always look, even at images that you yourself may never make. The moment that you close the iron gate by saying and believing that the art/craft that you practice is the only real one then you halt your growth. I have a theory about the muse. If you stipulate too much she does not cometh. She likes an open mind as simple as that of a child. If you suffer from very strong likes and dislikes you limit yourself. Likes and dislikes are perimeters placed arbitrarily to bring certain things in and keep certain things out. The Muse finds herself at home when you flow unimpeded. The moment you interfere with your supposed knowledge, you don't need her. Many artist reach a point where the kiss of fame touches them and they think they have arrived and then begin to cement opinions and very shortly they accentuate their knowledge and reach stasis. They then grow caustic in their comment and expect all to bow before them. This is involution. The muse is gone because it can not co-exist with arrogance.
To make it short: express your ideas the best you know. learn from others and feel free to examine other styles. Photography has no ownership, it is a tool, period...only you make it an artform. |
If my english would allow it, this is exactly what I would say. :) Very well said, I agree 100% on all accounts.
Message edited by author 2004-12-20 21:08:44. |
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12/20/2004 08:46:44 PM · #34 |
Great work Daniel
To bad many rush to an incorrect judgement! |
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12/20/2004 08:51:48 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I think it's a cool piece of digital art. |
Message edited by author 2004-12-20 20:55:21. |
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12/20/2004 09:00:15 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by Marjo:
Thanks, Graphicfunk, for your explanation. I didn't mean any disrespect to you as implied by Jinjit. I think your work is awesome and always very creative. You are very knowledgeable and experienced and share willingly with all.
This just goes back to before advanced editing rules were implemented on this site. I still think that whenever any kind of spot-editing is applied the category for competition should be "digital-art". |
Umm, film photographers dodge and burn just like us, or "spot edit" as you wanna call it.
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12/20/2004 09:00:43 PM · #37 |
| Like I said, Daniel is a true master and his ability to think outside the rigid borders and constraints we impose on ourselves was proven again. I'm so proud of him... |
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