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12/22/2004 01:04:36 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
... where software, hardware and experience can tip the playing field too far. |
Yep, that is true. I just don't ahve the $4,000 to get a dSLR, strobes, lenses, etc. Or a 20 year head start in expereince.
I DO have PS 7.
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I find it exciting to revert to the old days before PS. Hollywood before PS got along very well. People forget this. |
I like the new bits on DVDs on how hollywood did it. I have learned a few tricks this week from the appendices of hte LOTR:ROTK. Remmebr though, that back in 1939 (and probably earlier) mat (sp?) painting made up a lot of the image- Almost all of the ceilings in the interior shots of Gone with the Wind are matted in and not real. No PS then. No CGI. No Lucasarts. But they did combine multiple images into one final film frame.
I think it is interesting and challenging to do shots without PS. I also think it is abit ridiculous to not allow the use of modern technology, or generally accepted techniques to be used. How long has PS been around? Mat painting is 65 years or more. Techniques advance. Not to be allowed to use them, well, that is waht, Amish Photography?
If you cannot tell how the image was created, does it matter how it was created?
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 13:06:47.
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12/22/2004 01:10:49 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Again i agree, but it's flawed as we can use old shot, and even other peoples shots taken in the past - all you have to do is stick it behind your subject and all of a sudden it becomes legal. |
Been done. Multiple shots, timeframe, unlimited editing.
//www.fujimugs.com/
Take alook back at their challenges. The Fruit and Vegetable winner is 9 (yes nine) images combined. Looks photographic to me. Could have just as easily been done with one image...so i have no idea why he took that approach.
also note, they have the same 150k limit as here, but image sizes up to 800 x 800.
And "they" say it can't be done.
Message edited by author 2004-12-22 13:11:14.
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12/22/2004 02:26:06 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
I've just been informed that this site will accept long posts even if the preview window doesn't. My posts were truncated in preview so I have been putting them up serially. Sorry for any clutter.
Robt. |
But copy the text before you hit the "Post" button, because sometimes the server will time-out as you write and you lose the whole thing! |
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12/22/2004 02:31:38 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by Prof_Fate:
...Remmebr though, that back in 1939 (and probably earlier) mat (sp?) painting made up a lot of the image- Almost all of the ceilings in the interior shots of Gone with the Wind are matted in and not real. No PS then. No CGI. No Lucasarts. But they did combine multiple images into one final film frame. |
In the book on the making of Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey they described the matting process in some detail -- some of those shots combine 15-20 images into a single frame.
Again though, mainly for philosophical but also practical reasons we've adopted the single image rule. There are many other venues for displaying composited art -- there seems no other place which fills our particular niche. |
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12/23/2004 09:11:47 AM · #30 |
For the record, it's called "matte photography" and here's a little history on it; googling produces countless hits:
//www.digitalgreenscreen.com/tmatte.html
Also for the record, I'm fine with the site guidelines as they are. I'm stoking this discussion along because it's revealing a lot about the history/gestalt of this place. I completely understand the concept of arbitrary limits as a goad to creativity.
(robt)
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12/23/2004 12:18:35 PM · #31 |
The reason for the single image and date range rules is for...
Learning Basic Photography
1-Working with just one image puts the "focus" on photographic concepts like perspective, composition, DOF and the rule of thirds. These are fundamental to good photography.
2-Allowing images taken only during the submission week provides the mechanism to practice and learn photography. The challenge topic even provides a reason.
The site was originally created to allow novice photographers to learn fundamental photography, improve their skills and express themselves creatively through their pictures. Those restrictions are designed for that purpose.
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12/23/2004 12:58:20 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
Also for the record, I'm fine with the site guidelines as they are. I'm stoking this discussion along because it's revealing a lot about the history/gestalt of this place. I completely understand the concept of arbitrary limits as a goad to creativity.
(robt) |
An enjoyable thread, thanks for the stoking! |
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