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12/13/2004 01:59:59 AM · #1 |
Man, if I had a camera that was not some mega dSLR, I'd feel very discuraged on this site. They keep winning the challenges. Of the last 9 ribbon winning images 8 of them were from dSLRs. :(
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12/13/2004 02:04:46 AM · #2 |
I do not for one bit believe that it is the camera that makes you a winner.
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12/13/2004 02:05:09 AM · #3 |
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12/13/2004 02:08:48 AM · #4 |
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I do not for one bit believe that it is the camera that makes you a winner. |
I know man, I'm just saying it would be a bit discuraging to see all the wins by the big guns and then expect to place with a little non dslr cam... I haven't seen and 2Mpxl cams sweep recently.
Maybe, this site is doing so well that's it's attracting more pros and amatures.
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12/13/2004 02:10:04 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Geocide:
Originally posted by Azrifel:
I do not for one bit believe that it is the camera that makes you a winner. |
I know man, I'm just saying it would be a bit discuraging to see all the wins by the big guns and then expect to place with a little non dslr cam... I haven't seen and 2Mpxl cams sweep recently.
Maybe, this site is doing so well that's it's attracting more pros and amatures. |
I managed a 8th place recently with my 2mp FZ2 :)
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12/13/2004 02:17:40 AM · #6 |
Read the details. 1 megapixel mode. Blue ribbon.
Message edited by author 2004-12-13 02:18:00. |
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12/13/2004 02:26:16 AM · #7 |
This is why I was so happy in October and November
November av score 6.74
Octoberav score 6.29
with my little A70 ;)
Message edited by author 2004-12-13 02:33:54. |
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12/13/2004 02:47:14 AM · #8 |
3 out of 4 of my highest rated photos here at DPC (and my top 2) were taken with my old 2 megapixel Sony DSC-S50. What a lot of people forget about when talking about this is that small, point-and-shoot cameras aren't nearly as versatile as DSLRs, but for making a web image with a max. resolution of 640 pixels with a large depth of field and strong in-camera image processing a small point-and-shoot is actually very good for this. They can be carried anywhere, anytime, so have the advantage of increased opportunity. Is this any surprise? They make point-and-shoot cameras to be easy to carry and operate and program processing to make images look good right out of the camera. No wonder they can produce images which people immediately like - that's what they're designed to do.
The downside is that point-and-shoots take less TYPES of photos well. Sports, portraits with shallow depth of field, large and extremely detailed fine art prints etc. are not their strong suits. If you turned the tables and instead based a competition around getting good photos in an unpredictable situation, DSLRs would be a much better tool. The argument that 'it's the photographer not the camera' isn't true, as with this flexibility and increased capability a photographer with a vision is able to better create what he/she envisions due to the increased quality and capabilities of the camera. If it were only the photographer you wouldn't see all those white lenses at football games, nor medium-format digital backs in the hands of fashion photographers. There's a reason people spend money on gear. Sure Annie Liebowitz could take a reasonable photo with a disposable, but it'd be better with a Leica.
The key is that to score well here you only really need to take the type of photo your camera is strong at taking. Nothing more to it.
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12/13/2004 02:53:44 AM · #9 |
Exactly. I would kill for a nice dSLR (I'm eyeing that 20d) because my G2 just cannot easily handle fast motion indoors because of its very weak ccd as compared to say a 20d or even a 300d. But, I've nailed some very good studio shots and outdoor shots where I have had more control over lighting, positioning, and subjects.
Of course, I'm ready to move on to a more expensive camera now that I am reaching the edge of my current cam's capabilities. |
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12/13/2004 05:55:58 AM · #10 |
Your reasoning is backwards. :)
People who invest in DSLRs are just 'more' interested in photography than the P&S-er (In general). Go figure, the camera with the highest score is the Canon 1DmkII.
P.S. but I also think when you switch to a SLR, you think more aobout the subject, composition and such, I know I do.
Message edited by author 2004-12-13 05:56:52.
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12/13/2004 06:09:54 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by jonr:
P.S. but I also think when you switch to a SLR, you think more aobout the subject, composition and such, I know I do. |
Hmmmm, I'm not so sure about that being driven by having an dSLR. I resently borrowed a Minolta 7i and saw first hand the advantages of a bigger sensor, this is one of my main reasons why I'm looking to get a D70 in the near future. I feel that I push my little camera to it's limits and can now see where a dSLR can be an advantage. With regards to spending more time on subject, composition and such I think this is more driven by a natural progression in increasing one's level of photography. I know that I spend much more time on these matters for the simple reason that they make for better images.
Darren
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12/13/2004 06:11:52 AM · #12 |
Well good photographers tend to have good cameras, which is probably why the most winning cameras tend to be good.
It certainly isn't the camera that produces good results otherwsie with all the years of development we would all be shooting better than Ansel.
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12/13/2004 06:25:58 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by jonr:
the camera with the highest score is the Canon 1DmkII. |
Not forgetting that the highest-scoring image ever on DPC was taken with a "lowly" Sony F707...
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12/13/2004 06:31:39 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
Well good photographers tend to have good cameras, which is probably why the most winning cameras tend to be good.
It certainly isn't the camera that produces good results otherwsie with all the years of development we would all be shooting better than Ansel. |
I agree and disagree, as a new guy with all the interest in the world I realised I will need all the help I can get, and bought the cheapest dslr i could get. The result shocked me as I just got my highest score ever and ended in the top 20. Is it my camera or is it me... or just a combination ... or, well, let me say it, just luck. I do agree, the man makes the pic, the tool just makes it easier.
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12/13/2004 06:44:14 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by jonr:
the camera with the highest score is the Canon 1DmkII. |
Not forgetting that the highest-scoring image ever on DPC was taken with a "lowly" Sony F707... |
I thought this -> //www.dpchallenge.com/image.php?IMAGE_ID=106 was the highest scoring image on the site, and that with an even more "lowly" Olympus C-700Uz. |
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12/13/2004 06:48:47 AM · #16 |
Ah yes, I forgot about that little shot :o) Well, it was back in the days when there were only 10 entries, whereas the other was a much larger challenge. Just goes to show how the camera isn't as important as the photographer...
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12/13/2004 07:04:18 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Ah yes, I forgot about that little shot :o) Well, it was back in the days when there were only 10 entries, whereas the other was a much larger challenge. Just goes to show how the camera isn't as important as the photographer... |
Sorry, just read my reply and understand it was a little confrontational, wasn´t intended as such. Anyway totally agree with you about the photographer being the most important part of the equation, I could easily outshoot most of my friends, even if I only had a camera phone and they a 1Ds MkII and a 24-70 2.8L. |
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12/13/2004 07:51:40 AM · #18 |
This is an interesting argument, and one that will continue to rear it's head every once in a while.
Clearly the most important tool in a photographers bag is his/her eye. But to pretend that the other tools in said bag don't matter is a little nearsighted (excuse continued eye metaphor). The problem is that this whole issue is confounded by the already mentioned fact that good photographers tend to be those more devoted to the craft and thus the better photographers tend to spend more money on equipment. It then becomes effectively impossible to separate the impact of the equipment from the role played by the photographers 'eye.'
What cannot be argued about this post is that, for whatever reason, those with expensive camera's (not just dSLR but upper range prosumers too) tend to win most of the challenges. For some of us at the shorter end of the equipment stick this may be a little daunting. One thing I would point out is that a lot of people simply can't afford a dSLR, so to make the assumption that they don't own one because they aren't interested in photography, or, worse yet, don't have the requisite skill, is quite the elitist statement.
For my part, I like the challenge of swimming with the bigger, better equipped fish, and while sometimes I feel disadvantaged or at least limited by my camera (which cannot take night shots, has a pathetic macro mode, and a mammoth shutter lag that makes candid people shots really tough), there are a lot of situations my camera can handle perfectly well.
Anyway, basic point here: is that of course the camera matters, and so does the person behind it. It is impossible to separate the relative contributions of the two factors. Those of us boxing in the point and shoot division should not be discouraged, but rather relish the challenge of taking on the more experienced, better equipped photographers here. The worst that can happen is that you'll learn something. I've been taking photo's for less than a year, and have improved to the point where I wouldn't look twice at shots I was initially really proud of.
That said, I look forward to the day (couple more years now) when I collect that law degree and can actually afford the dSLR. Until then, when I do badly in these challenges I'll try to refrain blaming the limitations of my camera :P. |
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12/13/2004 07:55:55 AM · #19 |
Not forgetting that the highest-scoring image ever on DPC was taken with a "lowly" Sony F707... [/quote]
I don't know how lowly the f707 was back in 2002... I'd hardly put it in the 'budget' camera range. That said, I'm pretty sure that image would still score ridiculously highly if resubmitted today. |
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12/13/2004 08:06:50 AM · #20 |
hrmm I don't know if it's the camera or the person. Sure some cameras have their limitations, but I haven't really seen all that many entries done with a dslr that couldn't have been shot with my 5100 for example.
Put my camera in the hands of jmsetzler for example and give his 10D to me -- I bet he still beats me 99 times out of 100.
There's just a lot to learn -- and as people get better, they move up in what camera they have. There just aren't that many people walking around that really have a good overall grasp on photography with a 3.0 MP P&S camera in their pocket.
Sure all cameras have limitations, and I wouldn't expect a P&S to win say a challenge at a sporting event, but I, personally, don't give that much credit at all to the cameras when I see a challenge-winner. I give it where it's due -- to the photographer, their thinking process, lighting, their angle that they captured, or just for being in the right place at the right time.
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So...I would like to extend this offer -- anyone who wants to prove this wrong, and prove you're more than just your d70 or other dslr, email me and we'll trade cameras then you can prove to everyone that it's not the camera, it's you ;-)
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12/13/2004 08:15:09 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by jonr:
Your reasoning is backwards. :)
People who invest in DSLRs are just 'more' interested in photography than the P&S-er (In general). Go figure, the camera with the highest score is the Canon 1DmkII.
P.S. but I also think when you switch to a SLR, you think more aobout the subject, composition and such, I know I do. |
Haven't read all the posts, but I agree that this is the case. I certainly haven't won any ribbons, but my photographs have really improved over the last 3 months. I started with a little Canon A40 and recently bought the digital rebel but my photos are improving with time, not with camera...although as jonr said, the extra control is proving to be great in helping my accuracy in what I'm looking for in the photos I take. |
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12/13/2004 08:43:17 AM · #22 |
Originally posted by Manic:
Originally posted by jonr:
the camera with the highest score is the Canon 1DmkII. |
Not forgetting that the highest-scoring image ever on DPC was taken with a "lowly" Sony F707... |
and, of course, that's the challenge where I had to come in 2nd. :( |
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12/13/2004 09:27:19 AM · #23 |
| Look at how many of the top 10 highest scoring photos on DPC were taken with non-DSLRs. |
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12/13/2004 09:38:45 AM · #24 |
I was doing better with my 3mp Toshiba than with the DRebel. Granted there is more competition here now but I've learned the camera doesn't necessarily make the photographer.
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12/13/2004 09:39:56 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by deapee:
hrmm I don't know if it's the camera or the person. Sure some cameras have their limitations, but I haven't really seen all that many entries done with a dslr that couldn't have been shot with my 5100 for example.
Put my camera in the hands of jmsetzler for example and give his 10D to me -- I bet he still beats me 99 times out of 100.
There's just a lot to learn -- and as people get better, they move up in what camera they have. There just aren't that many people walking around that really have a good overall grasp on photography with a 3.0 MP P&S camera in their pocket.
Sure all cameras have limitations, and I wouldn't expect a P&S to win say a challenge at a sporting event, but I, personally, don't give that much credit at all to the cameras when I see a challenge-winner. I give it where it's due -- to the photographer, their thinking process, lighting, their angle that they captured, or just for being in the right place at the right time.
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So...I would like to extend this offer -- anyone who wants to prove this wrong, and prove you're more than just your d70 or other dslr, email me and we'll trade cameras then you can prove to everyone that it's not the camera, it's you ;-) |
i just shot my first challenge entry with a DSLR... so far, I see a noticable improvement in my average score. something tells me the same concept would have scored lower with my canon sd110. |
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