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12/12/2004 06:45:20 PM · #1 |
| Some people seem to have problems with the scores that they have recieved on their photo's. It is not too difficult to see why. As I was going over some of the challenges I noticed that even people who ribbon have gotten 1's, 2's, and 3's. As I look at these picutre I can find no reason for them to get these scores, not even for not meating the challenge. Have many of you recieved reason as to the low score? It is hard to believe that a picture of such quality to have so many people like it enough to ribbon, would ever get anything less then a 4, if that. I myself understand the scores that I have recieved and have gotten many good comments that have helped, but for those others can the ribboners please help out on this question. |
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12/12/2004 06:52:04 PM · #2 |
I always figured that low scores on great photos probably fell into two categories.
1: Jerks who run through the site giving low scores to almost everything just because they can.
2: Worse Jerks trying to improve the odds of their own entries.
Then there is the odd duck who either is offened by the photo for some reason, or they think they know who took the photo and they happen not to like that person. However with the numbers of low scores for top photos I feel that one of the first two is most likely the culprit.
-alex
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12/12/2004 06:53:10 PM · #3 |
| A four to you may mean a one to someone else. Everyone has different ways of voting and the scale is one to ten for a reason. That said, there are some people who vote good images one to boost up their own score. There are numerous reasons why people vote low and there have been numerous threads about what to call people who do. There is no point trying to logically work out why it happens. The same can also be said about tens on what the majority of people consider bad images. Neither makes sense but to the people who vote the way they do. |
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12/12/2004 06:53:40 PM · #4 |
This has been discussed to death in the forums. Basically, it's a fact of life here, and there's nothing you can do about it. From an earlier post...
A list of perfectly valid reasons to vote a 1:
- Pictures of somebody else's kid 1
- Pictures with a flower in it- except maybe calla lilies, they're cool
- I saw something like this 22 years ago in Madagascar 1
- Pictures featuring pink. I hate pink 1
- Any concept based upon a flag, religious or political symbol 1
- Pictures of a dog or cat 1
- I don't like it, and you aren't advanced enough to understand why 1
- Hey! Wasn't there one of those in the last challenge? 1
- Zero isn't available, so I'm bumping you up to a 1
- Pictures of bugs. Ewww! 1
- Pictures with any hint of nudity- unless it's Bianca (that scale starts at 8)
- I love it, but this might be DQ'd so it's an automatic 1
- Any entry that doesn't fit the challenge title alone... descriptions are for weenies 1
- I don't understand the challenge, so this probably doesn't meet it 1
- Any photo that even remotely suggests digital art, even if it was straight out of the camera 1
- Any obvious use of Neat Image- photos shouldn't be too smooth, unless there's grain, that's also a 1
- The first 3 photos I happen to vote on because I'm grouchy: 1, maybe 2 if it's Friday
- Your background is out of focus! Hey, what does DOF mean? 1
- My photo just got a 3. YOU get a 1.
- Dice, eggs, dartboards, frogs, money, food and utensils... all 1
- Not enough saturation for this B&W challenge 1
- I'll start you off in the 1 group and adjust it later EDIT- Oops, I forgot!
- That's the most incredible photo I've ever seen!!! Umm... where was I? Oh, yeah... 1
- If your horizon isn't horizontal, then your score shall be vertical: 1
- Any entry that depends on the title to meet the challenge 1
- Any entry with the challenge name within the title 1
- Any entry with no title 1
- Bo-ring. Zzzzzz. 1
- That fits the challenge so perfectly! At least your score will be outside the box... 1
- Hi, I'm new here, so I'm going to start the scores at the beginning 1
and of course, the ever-popular:
- WWYT? 1
The more you understand these common reasons for low scores, the better prepared you will be to just shake your head in utter disbelief and move on. ;-)
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12/12/2004 06:55:14 PM · #5 |
| This is a commonly discussed topic. Some people just don't agree with you. Just because you feel a photo is wonderful doesn't mean everyone will. For example there were a pair of dog photos that scored very well. But just because they were dog pictures might have been voted low because some people might not like dogs. If you've ever been attacked by a dog like I have, you might understand this point of view. However that being said I'd like to add that I didn't base my vote on that past expirience. |
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12/12/2004 06:55:27 PM · #6 |
| There are some people who give low scores to good quality photos that are not interesting to them, which I don't mind at all, everyone has a way of voting. |
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12/12/2004 06:56:30 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
This has been discussed to death in the forums. Basically, it's a fact of life here, and there's nothing you can do about it. From an earlier post...
A list of perfectly valid reasons to vote a 1:
- Pictures of somebody else's kid 1
- Pictures with a flower in it- except maybe calla lilies, they're cool
- I saw something like this 22 years ago in Madagascar 1
- Pictures featuring pink. I hate pink 1
- Any concept based upon a flag, religious or political symbol 1
- Pictures of a dog or cat 1
- I don't like it, and you aren't advanced enough to understand why 1
- Hey! Wasn't there one of those in the last challenge? 1
- Zero isn't available, so I'm bumping you up to a 1
- Pictures of bugs. Ewww! 1
- Pictures with any hint of nudity- unless it's Bianca (that scale starts at 8)
- I love it, but this might be DQ'd so it's an automatic 1
- Any entry that doesn't fit the challenge title alone... descriptions are for weenies 1
- I don't understand the challenge, so this probably doesn't meet it 1
- Any photo that even remotely suggests digital art, even if it was straight out of the camera 1
- Any obvious use of Neat Image- photos shouldn't be too smooth, unless there's grain, that's also a 1
- The first 3 photos I happen to vote on because I'm grouchy: 1, maybe 2 if it's Friday
- Your background is out of focus! Hey, what does DOF mean? 1
- My photo just got a 3. YOU get a 1.
- Dice, eggs, dartboards, frogs, money, food and utensils... all 1
- Not enough saturation for this B&W challenge 1
- I'll start you off in the 1 group and adjust it later EDIT- Oops, I forgot!
- That's the most incredible photo I've ever seen!!! Umm... where was I? Oh, yeah... 1
- If your horizon isn't horizontal, then your score shall be vertical: 1
- Any entry that depends on the title to meet the challenge 1
- Any entry with the challenge name within the title 1
- Any entry with no title 1
- Bo-ring. Zzzzzz. 1
- That fits the challenge so perfectly! At least your score will be outside the box... 1
- Hi, I'm new here, so I'm going to start the scores at the beginning 1
and of course, the ever-popular:
- WWYT? 1
The more you understand these common reasons for low scores, the better prepared you will be to just shake your head in utter disbelief and move on. ;-) |
LOL, that's why you're in my favorites! |
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12/12/2004 07:00:51 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by moodville:
A four to you may mean a one to someone else. Everyone has different ways of voting and the scale is one to ten for a reason. That said, there are some people who vote good images one to boost up their own score. There are numerous reasons why people vote low and there have been numerous threads about what to call people who do. There is no point trying to logically work out why it happens. The same can also be said about tens on what the majority of people consider bad images. Neither makes sense but to the people who vote the way they do. |
This is a good point, different people utilize the scoring system differently. I bet there are lots of people who never vote outside the 4 - 7 range. I tend to be one of them >_> <_< >_> |
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12/12/2004 07:57:07 PM · #9 |
This issue was really brought home to me after my daughter and I both became members and started participating here. I have sat with her and watched her vote, and she me. It's amazing how many times we are at polar opposites over the score a photo should receive. And we're both right. As others have observed, voting is a very personal thing, and tastes vary widely, even among people in the same family.
That said, I have probably given out only 2 or 3 votes of 3 or below in my 7 or so months on DPC. My daughter initially was much freer giving out such low votes until I pointed out to her one day what her overall vote-given average was looking like. She hasn't given nearly so many 1's or 2's since then, but she still does give them for images she really thinks are poorly done. |
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12/12/2004 09:53:47 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
My daughter initially was much freer giving out such low votes until I pointed out to her one day what her overall vote-given average was looking like. |
Just curious, why did you feel the need to point out what her overall vote-given average was? |
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12/12/2004 10:02:48 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Just curious, why did you feel the need to point out what her overall vote-given average was? |
I cautioned her against developing a reputation of being a "low ball" voter. I don't know what term I used with her actually, but I noticed she was being disproportionately hard on images she didn't like and coached her to reserve the 1s, 2s and 3s for images that were truly bad, not just those she didn't care for. |
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12/12/2004 10:24:42 PM · #12 |
There are several solutions to this problem. Most voters have a horse in the race. It is called vested interest. Threads are many with suggestions.
The other remedy to the problem is to make voting public, say after the anniversary year. This will avoid the hot heads from going after people's throats. It is then history and who cares. ROFL |
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12/12/2004 10:38:05 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by puma:
...... but for those others can the ribboners please help out on this question. |
Why do you think that ribbon winners will have more insight on this issue than non-ribboners?
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12/12/2004 10:48:10 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
There are several solutions to this problem. Most voters have a horse in the race. It is called vested interest. Threads are many with suggestions. |
Maybe there really isn't a problem here at all. If the creators of this site wanted us to vote that way they could have made the voting scale 4 thru 10. But they didn't. They made 1 thru 10, so use it. There is a best and a worst image in every challenge. If you don't use the whole scale you are doing a disservice to the site by skewing the results.
Just my two cents.
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12/12/2004 10:53:17 PM · #15 |
Same old, same old.... this big machine called member voting is moving and won't stop anytime soon. It makes life so much easier if you learn to accept what comes your way, be it good or sad(bad). That's what I learned through the past few weeks.
Amazing though, my landmark entry is doing great and guess what..... 15 remarks and all sooooooooooo positive.:-)))))
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12/12/2004 11:26:51 PM · #16 |
I use to be at awe how votes could be so different. BUT I stopped letting it bother me and learned to understand that people see photographs in different ways. The same as you may see your own photograph different from day to day.
People have the right to vote from 1 – 10 and it’s there choice on how they chose to use that scale. All we [photographers] can ask is that they be consistent.
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12/12/2004 11:31:09 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
There are several solutions to this problem. Most voters have a horse in the race. It is called vested interest. Threads are many with suggestions. |
Maybe there really isn't a problem here at all. If the creators of this site wanted us to vote that way they could have made the voting scale 4 thru 10. But they didn't. They made 1 thru 10, so use it. There is a best and a worst image in every challenge. If you don't use the whole scale you are doing a disservice to the site by skewing the results.
Just my two cents. |
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Hey that is all right. If you are happy I am happy. The 1 to 10 is simply a scale. It does not mean that each voter is going to use it. I can only speak for myself but I do not have the capacity or the superior judgment to evaluate in a scale of 10. The NY times does theirs with a max of 4 stars. I use a span of five. But hey, if any of you can tackle the scale of 1 to 10 fine. Also, many people have openly said that they do not use 10 because it is the perfect picture. By the same token I do not use 1 because for image to be a one it must want to make me heave. If you survey you will find that the majority of voters do not use the entire scale. The low voters put the bad image at one at one and the good at 5 and the outstanding at 6. That is why their voting average is something like 4.3xx
I repeat, each one finds the nook they are happy. I have found mine.
Message edited by author 2004-12-12 23:35:33. |
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12/12/2004 11:33:51 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
- Pictures of somebody else's kid 1
- Pictures with a flower in it- except maybe calla lilies, they're cool
- I saw something like this 22 years ago in Madagascar 1
- Pictures featuring pink. I hate pink 1
- Any concept based upon a flag, religious or political symbol 1
- Pictures of a dog or cat 1
- I don't like it, and you aren't advanced enough to understand why 1
- Hey! Wasn't there one of those in the last challenge? 1
- Zero isn't available, so I'm bumping you up to a 1
- Pictures of bugs. Ewww! 1
- Pictures with any hint of nudity- unless it's Bianca (that scale starts at 8)
- I love it, but this might be DQ'd so it's an automatic 1
- Any entry that doesn't fit the challenge title alone... descriptions are for weenies 1
- I don't understand the challenge, so this probably doesn't meet it 1
- Any photo that even remotely suggests digital art, even if it was straight out of the camera 1
- Any obvious use of Neat Image- photos shouldn't be too smooth, unless there's grain, that's also a 1
- The first 3 photos I happen to vote on because I'm grouchy: 1, maybe 2 if it's Friday
- Your background is out of focus! Hey, what does DOF mean? 1
- My photo just got a 3. YOU get a 1.
- Dice, eggs, dartboards, frogs, money, food and utensils... all 1
- Not enough saturation for this B&W challenge 1
- I'll start you off in the 1 group and adjust it later EDIT- Oops, I forgot!
- That's the most incredible photo I've ever seen!!! Umm... where was I? Oh, yeah... 1
- If your horizon isn't horizontal, then your score shall be vertical: 1
- Any entry that depends on the title to meet the challenge 1
- Any entry with the challenge name within the title 1
- Any entry with no title 1
- Bo-ring. Zzzzzz. 1
- That fits the challenge so perfectly! At least your score will be outside the box... 1
- Hi, I'm new here, so I'm going to start the scores at the beginning 1
and of course, the ever-popular:
- WWYT? 1
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HEH....very good post. But I will have to give it a 1 due to negative attitude. :)
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