I'm in love...with Bibble - DPChallenge Forums

12/10/2004 10:10:44 PM · #1

We'll actually, we are still in the courtship phase.

I like to shoot raw, and while I think Breezebrowser does a nice job, I have been frustrated that once you do a conversion, if it's not like you wanted, you have to start all over. I've suggested that it should keep the settings for each file for redo's and for records to Breeze a few times, and it's always "can't do that with the Canon converter he uses". Which I don't understand, because I presume it's his "dialog" and he can remember and populate it with whatever defaults he wants.

Anyway, I've tried Phase One and didn't like the interface. I've now been playing with the Adobe converter, and it works great one-by-one, but that seems a bit time consuming.

So today, I tried Bibble. I tried it years ago and after a few crashes, gave up. But now, it's elegant, very intuitive to use, and POWERFUL! So it's love at first sight.

However, we had a little spat already. I was trying to adjust the color temp of a file, and when I did the conversion, it still didn't look right. So I tried again, and again, and finally I really made it look bad, to see if I could output something really bad (then at least I'd know it was working). I am using the interactive batch mode.

BUT WHATEVER I DO, the color temp does not seem to be applied. The cropping setting works, and maybe the other settings (those are harder to tell), but definitely not the color temp.

SO HELP!!!! She's holding out on me. Anyone use Bibble 4.1 for Windows? How do you make this baby sing? Is this a demo thing? It didn't say it was limited? Or is it just playing hard to get?

Thanks in advance...

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

12/10/2004 10:58:25 PM · #2

I'm in lust with Bibble.

There are several features that don't seem to do anything that I can tell. That's one of them. *shrug* i can set custom white points, and use the color mixer, so i gave up on trying to get the temp thing to work. It worked on the one RAW I tried, but not on the jpgs. Maybe that's it, but I don't know.

M

deapee

Kodak V803

12/10/2004 11:18:43 PM · #3

I use s7raw. It's free and I can't remember where I got it, someone on here linked me to it. It works great, but I don't think it's fast or at least I haven't messed around with it enough to find something that does multiple images at once if that feature does infact exist.

I don't really shoot in raw, just when I know there's going to be a problem with wb. Maybe it's laziness, but I'd hate to ruin an entire shoot with the wrong wb.

Maybe search for s7raw -- other than that I can't help any.

12/11/2004 12:09:53 AM · #4

Ok, she's working in the raw again....

I tried using the dropper rather than just selecting the slider, and that seemed to stick. Or maybe she was getting the idea I wasn't going to buy unless she started to put out...

Ok, maybe I'm taking this analogy too far... but it's working! And I am still in love. :)

dwoolridge

12/11/2004 06:16:47 AM · #5

I agree (with caveats). The WB presets in Bibble aren't the same as ACR, for example, which is unfortunate. I'd like to see Bibble support DNG and the .xmp's that PS/ACR generates. Don't think it'll happen though.

Azrifel

Fujifilm X100VI

12/11/2004 07:13:10 AM · #6

For questions and suggestions (like DNG support) you could try to post on dpreview.com. One of the people involved with the Bibble software development is 'Eric':
Eric's profile @ dpr

dwoolridge

12/11/2004 09:30:15 AM · #7

DNG already discussed at bibblelabs. Looks like it he won't really revisit the issue until there's more mfgr support.

I wonder why Bibble Mac requires a G4.

12/11/2004 10:43:49 AM · #8

Thanks for the info everyone. I do have to say that after using BreezeBrowser (BB) for years (at the time I bought BB was the time I was evaluating a very buggy Bibble), Bibble sure has a very nice workflow, great interactive batch mode, and seems to do a very nice job. I am not sure why it wasn't working with the WB before, but I like the custom WB dropper method best anyway, as long as there's some white in the pic.

One thing that seems to be missing here that I was hoping for is correction for Chromatic Abberation, which I understand from a tutorial I ran that the ACR converter in PS CS has (it's not in Elements 3). That's something that still may be worth my investment in PS CS.

But the workflow is great for Bibble. Most of all, I love the fact that it keeps track of your conversion settings for each pic. Though I wonder what it will do in my overall workflow, since I do move things around a bit. I guess it will lose track of the shot, unless I use Bibble to move it?

dwoolridge

12/11/2004 12:05:42 PM · #9

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Though I wonder what it will do in my overall workflow, since I do move things around a bit. I guess it will lose track of the shot, unless I use Bibble to move it?

I'm pretty sure it keeps its settings in a .bib sidecar file. As long as you move that file along with your image file, it should be fine.

EddyG

12/11/2004 12:44:23 PM · #10

Originally posted by nshapiro:

I've tried Phase One and didn't like the interface.

That's funny, because to me, Capture One has the best workflow of any raw converter out there. I've tried them all and still nothing comes close to the speed and efficiency at which I can browse through a session and delete the non-keepers (just press the "DEL" key), tag the "really good ones", apply adjustments to exposure, contrast, white balance, saturation, curves, sharpening, etc. and see the results reflected instantly, copy those adjustments to any/all other images with click of a button (again, with instant results), crop them to whatever aspect ratio I want, straighten any tilted images and then add them to the "Process" queue where they develop in the background, generating high-quality full-size JPEGs and medium-quality web-sized versions (for posting online, proof slide shows, etc.) while I continue to work on adjusting the next group of photos. And this is all done in the "raw" domain for maximum image quality, without having to convert to a gargantuan 16-bit TIFF and do a bunch of stuff in Photoshop... It is awesome. =]

P.S. Capture One keeps track of your adjustments in a "sidecar" file as well, but it is independent of where the file is located. A unique identifier is calculated for each image, so no matter where it comes from on your hard drive or archive media, as long as the sidecar file in C1's "Cache" directory hasn't been deleted, all of your adjustments will come right back.

Message edited by author 2004-12-11 12:52:26.

12/11/2004 12:51:07 PM · #11

Originally posted by EddyG:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
I've tried Phase One and didn't like the interface.

That's funny, because to me, Capture One has the best workflow of any raw converter out there. I've tried them all and still nothing comes close to the speed and efficiency at which I can browse through a session and delete the non-keepers (just press the "DEL" key), tag the "really good ones", apply adjustments to exposure, contrast, white balance, saturation, curves, sharpening, etc. and see the results reflected instantly, copy those adjustments to any/all other images with click of a button (again, with instant results), crop them to whatever aspect ratio I want, straighten any tilted images and then add them to the "Process" queue where they develop in the background, generating high-quality full-size JPEGs and medium-quality web-sized versions (for posting online, proof slide shows, etc.) while I continue to work on adjusting the next group of photos. And this is all done in the "raw" domain for maximum image quality, without having to convert to a gargantuan 16-bit TIFF and do a bunch of stuff in Photoshop... It is awesome. =]

Bibble 4.1 works in precisely this manner. But when I did the trial of Capture 1, I found it less intuitive and a bit slow, not to mention a bit expensive.

Have you tried Bibble 4.1?

Edit: I take back about slow part--I don't recall the speed as much as the fact that I wasn't inspired by the interface to keep using it. I found it less convenient than using Breezebrowser. And that didn't make me want to dig for my wallet. The only advantage I saw over BB at that point was the curves adjustments.

Message edited by author 2004-12-11 12:57:46.

12/11/2004 12:53:08 PM · #12

So far my only real complaint about Bibble (other than the white balance debacle) is that it doesn't output JP2K format. Breezebrowser does.

EddyG

12/11/2004 01:06:00 PM · #13

Originally posted by nshapiro:

Have you tried Bibble 4.1?

Not yet, but based on your comment that "it works in precisely this manner", I'm downloading it now to give it a whirl...

12/11/2004 01:24:20 PM · #14

Just so everyone knows - and I didn't at first - Bibble also does this for JPG. THAT is why I use it. It's like ACDSee with power. I can do almost any 'normal' corrections in Bibble, send it to a batch and move on. No Photoshop opening files one or ten at a time. No "file, save as, find directory, name file, figure out quality." It's "click. Added to batch FULL JPG." Nice.

This program cuts my editing time for a 1000 shot wedding by 3/4. Easily.

M

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

12/11/2004 01:35:38 PM · #15

Originally posted by dwoolridge:

Originally posted by nshapiro:
Though I wonder what it will do in my overall workflow, since I do move things around a bit. I guess it will lose track of the shot, unless I use Bibble to move it?

I'm pretty sure it keeps its settings in a .bib sidecar file. As long as you move that file along with your image file, it should be fine.

Woo Hoo. You're right. That bibble's a babe. Or is that a bib. ;) That means I can even put these off to secondary storage together.

_Armadildo_

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

12/11/2004 03:08:26 PM · #16

No Bibble for me...
They say they support P3 and my Athlon T-Bird 1GHZ is not... what the hell?

cghubbell

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 17-55mm f/2.8G IF-ED

12/11/2004 03:43:47 PM · #17

Originally posted by dwoolridge:

Confirmed. All bibble settings are maintained in a .bib file.

It's really easy to keep those settings when you move things around. This is a *big* feature for me since as a Linux user I tend to be more command-line oriented. I organize my shots in the filesystem and move 'em all the time.

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/11/2004 03:57:48 PM · #18

Originally posted by _Armadildo_:

No Bibble for me...
They say they support P3 and my Athlon T-Bird 1GHZ is not... what the hell?

Works fine on our Athlon 1.3 ghz with 256 ram - far below what it would LIKE to have. :)

M

neehai

Canon EOS-20D

12/11/2004 04:16:41 PM · #19

Well, I went to the bibble page to have a look-see, and it appears to be very interesting. What I can't find though is a price?
Anyone have any idea what price the two diff versions are?

Sigma 50-500mm f/4.0-6.3 EX APO RF HSM for Canon

12/11/2004 04:59:59 PM · #20

Originally posted by neehai:

Well, I went to the bibble page to have a look-see, and it appears to be very interesting. What I can't find though is a price?
Anyone have any idea what price the two diff versions are?

I believe it's $69; I don't recall how much the pro version was--maybe $99.

bod

12/11/2004 05:19:45 PM · #21

Originally posted by neehai:

Well, I went to the bibble page to have a look-see, and it appears to be very interesting. What I can't find though is a price?
Anyone have any idea what price the two diff versions are?

$69 and $129
//www.bibblelabs.com/system/weborder_new.jsp?step=2&platform=linux

gusto

Canon EOS-7D

12/11/2004 05:28:58 PM · #22

whats the url to download?

bod

12/11/2004 07:03:03 PM · #23

Originally posted by gusto:

whats the url to download?

//www.bibblelabs.com/system/download.jsp

neehai

Canon EOS-20D

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

12/11/2004 08:39:50 PM · #24

Thanks bod, they hid it pretty well!! :)