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 11/21/2004 04:35:51 PM · #1
heres my Q if some ppl want com. to be anonymous and others think the author should be known, Why can't we do bolth?

all it would need to be would be another blank block on the voting pg. under the comments 1 we have now, and it would only need to say to keep your comment anonymous enter it in here.

or u could just have button/icon at the bottom of the comment block that would say to keep yourself anonymouse click here.

just a way to bring peace to the whole subject. so figured i would through the idea out there.

also it could be an option in your preferences "Keep my comments anonymous" click yes or no.

just i gess, Why can't we have bolth?

_brando_
 11/21/2004 04:38:08 PM · #2
Awesome idea, hopefully some admins will see this and make it so. I think the whole fight about this got out of control and this would be a great way to stop it.
 11/21/2004 04:44:42 PM · #3
Surely the easiest way to deal with comments received during voting is to wait until after challenge finishes before PMing commenters.

If the comment is less than favourable, then this acts as a cooling off period.

I try to wait til challenge has finished before replying to comments, but I still luv getting them...my Poverty & Indecision challenges got loads of comments, I didn't take them to heart, just enjoyed and learnt from them.

Just chill out and enjoy it, if you post humour, expect homourous comments...and the odd serious one.
 11/21/2004 04:59:16 PM · #4
I think if you are making a comment you shouldn't hide your identity to the person receiving the comment even during the challenge. If you fear the photographer pming you during the challenge then don't leave the comment.
 11/21/2004 06:04:43 PM · #5
Originally posted by OneSweetSin:
If you fear the photographer pming you during the challenge then don't leave the comment.


It's not fear, it's the photographers who annoy the commenter who has left a comment that is construed as negative with PM's that question the commenter's subjective opinion, explain the picture or otherwise plead for a better vote.
11/22/2004 02:09:08 AM · #6
ok so i was in wrong maybe we can't have bolth ppl don't seem to be taking well to the idea.
(w/the ex. of  sabphoto)

oh well it was worth a shot.

_brando_
 11/22/2004 02:37:46 AM · #7
Or, you could make comments invisible until the challenge ends.
 11/22/2004 02:52:00 AM · #8
I think you have a good idea. Personally, I don't mind people PM'ing during challenges. The ones that do are probably in a small minority.

Of the ways you proposed to implement this, I think the idea of having the option to anonymize your comments for the duration of the challenge within the "My Preferences..." tab is most convenient.
 11/22/2004 02:53:28 AM · #9
Anonymity has its' place where safety and privacy is of paramount concern. In this context I would suggest anonymity would spawn laziness and complete disregard for one of the most crucial elements on this site, the contributor's willingness to express their creativity. I will not be mentored by an entity that has no substance or an unwillingness to be accountable. For many, the internet has retarded their ability to interact in a conventional social environment. Many who appear cavalier at the keyboard are incapable of looking a real person in the eye when faced with a real life interaction. This has become a slippery slope and the decision to allow anonmity when commenting is just greasing it even more. If someone receives a PM that is less than desirable,respond or turn the other cheek by simply pressing delete. On the other hand if I am guilty of sending a hurtful comment, please let me know so I can learn not to do that again.
 11/22/2004 06:28:09 AM · #10
Originally posted by Ivo:
Anonymity has its' place where safety and privacy is of paramount concern. In this context I would suggest anonymity would spawn laziness and complete disregard for one of the most crucial elements on this site, the contributor's willingness to express their creativity. I will not be mentored by an entity that has no substance or an unwillingness to be accountable. For many, the internet has retarded their ability to interact in a conventional social environment. Many who appear cavalier at the keyboard are incapable of looking a real person in the eye when faced with a real life interaction. This has become a slippery slope and the decision to allow anonmity when commenting is just greasing it even more. If someone receives a PM that is less than desirable,respond or turn the other cheek by simply pressing delete. On the other hand if I am guilty of sending a hurtful comment, please let me know so I can learn not to do that again.


What he said.

Simply put, if you do not have the courage to attach your name to the comment, do not comment. Of course, if you make helpful, insightful comments, then you will be rewarded by recieving nice PMs. I believe the overwhelming majority of people here want to improve their photography and are looking for helpful comments.

As far as PMs during the challenge, who cares. If you see you have a PM from someone during the challenge, and you do not want them during the challenge, do not read it. This is the individual's choice to read it or not. It is silly to toss a personal choice onto the administration of this website as if it was their fault.
 11/22/2004 10:09:38 AM · #11
Originally posted by Ivo:
Anonymity has its' place where safety and privacy is of paramount concern. In this context I would suggest anonymity would spawn laziness and complete disregard for one of the most crucial elements on this site, the contributor's willingness to express their creativity. I will not be mentored by an entity that has no substance or an unwillingness to be accountable. For many, the internet has retarded their ability to interact in a conventional social environment. Many who appear cavalier at the keyboard are incapable of looking a real person in the eye when faced with a real life interaction. This has become a slippery slope and the decision to allow anonmity when commenting is just greasing it even more. If someone receives a PM that is less than desirable,respond or turn the other cheek by simply pressing delete. On the other hand if I am guilty of sending a hurtful comment, please let me know so I can learn not to do that again.


If you think anonymity is important where safety and privacy are of concern, what about integrity? The integrity of our challenges would be enhanced if we could not reply to comments during the voting period because those willing to solicit a higher vote will be prevented from doing so.

I think perhaps you have misunderstood the current proposal. It would not make commenters completely unknown thus invoking your slippery slope scenerio, but rather would only shield the author of comments while voting is ongoing. After voting is finished the author's identity is revealed and you can hold the commenting entity accountable as you wish. In fact, the use of a cooling off period will lessen the possibility of an emotion based reply and therefore enhance the willingness of commenters to leave more honest and less sugar coated comments.
 11/22/2004 10:33:58 AM · #12
Originally posted by aguapreta:
Simply put, if you do not have the courage to attach your name to the comment, do not comment.

The debate is not about having "the courage to attach your name to the comment" because the commenter's name would still be attached to what they have written about a photo. However the commenter's name would not be shown until after voting is finished so people couldn't use a reply to try to convince the commenter to raise their vote.


Originally posted by aquapreta:
As far as PMs during the challenge, who cares. If you see you have a PM from someone during the challenge, and you do not want them during the challenge, do not read it. This is the individual's choice to read it or not. It is silly to toss a personal choice onto the administration of this website as if it was their fault.

This method would not work because it requires you to not read any PMs while you have an entry in a challenge that is in the voting phase. For some this would be almost all of the time. What if the PM might be someone wanting to buy a camera you are selling? Or maybe just a friend wishing you a Happy Birthday. This method would cut out too much useful communication.
 11/22/2004 11:01:50 AM · #13
Originally posted by coolhar:


If you think anonymity is important where safety and privacy are of concern, what about integrity? The integrity of our challenges would be enhanced if we could not reply to comments during the voting period because those willing to solicit a higher vote will be prevented from doing so.

I think perhaps you have misunderstood the current proposal. It would not make commenters completely unknown thus invoking your slippery slope scenerio, but rather would only shield the author of comments while voting is ongoing. After voting is finished the author's identity is revealed and you can hold the commenting entity accountable as you wish. In fact, the use of a cooling off period will lessen the possibility of an emotion based reply and therefore enhance the willingness of commenters to leave more honest and less sugar coated comments.


I guess there are always exceptions to the rule. Look at it this way, I might like receiving PMs during voting and might also make comments on images that will provoke someone to do respond. People are allowed to respond. We should not gag them with an implied moral high ground. Let me make my own decisions and face the consequences of them as well. We are adults are we not?

Solution????

Make it mandatory to wear a funny hat while voting, looking at PMs and particpating in the forums.

J
 11/22/2004 12:45:41 PM · #14
Originally posted by Ivo:
I guess there are always exceptions to the rule. Look at it this way, I might like receiving PMs during voting and might also make comments on images that will provoke someone to do respond. People are allowed to respond. We should not gag them with an implied moral high ground. Let me make my own decisions and face the consequences of them as well. We are adults are we not?

Solution????

Make it mandatory to wear a funny hat while voting, looking at PMs and particpating in the forums.

J

No one is being gagged, just delayed a bit. There is no "implied moral ground" here, just a proposal that would eliminate one means that can be, and indeed is being, used to, intentionally or otherwise, unjustly influence the outcome of the challenge voting, something that is already against the rules.

"Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site."

That sentence appears in both the Basic and Advanced Rules, boldface and italics are from the original context.

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter?


11/22/2004 02:58:25 PM · #15
Originally posted by coolhar:

No one is being gagged, just delayed a bit. There is no "implied moral ground" here, just a proposal that would eliminate one means that can be, and indeed is being, used to, intentionally or otherwise, unjustly influence the outcome of the challenge voting, something that is already against the rules.

"Any attempts to alter the point totals in any way for any photograph will result in immediate loss of account and a ban from the site."

That sentence appears in both the Basic and Advanced Rules, boldface and italics are from the original context.

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter? [/quote]
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If it is undeniably conclusive that a vast majority of PMs sent during challenges are intended to manipulate scoring, then bann the practice as the rules state. No need for further discussion as the rule is very clear. If not, let the sender's integrity guide the intent of the message. I am still opposed.

By the way, I am really enjoying this debate though I do not want to constipate the system. May we openly agree to disagree? ;-)
 11/22/2004 03:47:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by Ivo:
If it is undeniably conclusive that a vast majority of PMs sent during challenges are intended to manipulate scoring, then bann the practice as the rules state. No need for further discussion as the rule is very clear. If not, let the sender's integrity guide the intent of the message. I am still opposed.

By the way, I am really enjoying this debate though I do not want to constipate the system. May we openly agree to disagree? ;-)


I am enjoying the debate too.

What if it was not the vast majority but undeniably enough to influence the outcome? What if you finished in fourth place missing your first ribbon by only a very few 0.001's ? And during the next week you found a forum thread with one person saying they were glad the third place finisher had replied to their comment with an explanation of the entry, and that they had gladly upped their vote by 3 points? Sounds extreme but similiar probably has happened.

If PMs sent during voting are not "intended to manipulate scoring", then what are they sent for? and why can't it wait a few days?

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter?
 11/22/2004 04:28:05 PM · #17
Originally posted by coolhar:


............. If PMs sent during voting are not "intended to manipulate scoring", then what are they sent for? and why can't it wait a few days?

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter?


My goodness, I think I've got it! Try this on for size. As is see, there are several problems being faced of which one happens to be the banter during challenges. This banter occurs through the reacting PMs to critiques given and also through threads discussing the comments while voting is taking place. Yes, it is Pandora's box. Another problem is the loss of productivity we all face by having this constant personal distraction during voting. I know that I can expect my work life to suffer when I have my submission analyzed by others and it really is the pitts. I hate it but it is like a drug. I fear that employers might be appauled by the distraction due to this cursed but fun site.

Might we consider for the good of all that comments are still made during voting without the need for anonymity but .......comments cannot be viewed until after the voting is complete. This will elimate the illegal PMs, threads and a multitude of other unknown factors. Once the voting is done, let hell's gate open.

We will also help by increasing our respective county's GDP.

Might that work?
11/22/2004 04:49:52 PM · #18
Originally posted by Ivo:
My goodness, I think I've got it! Try this on for size. As is see, there are several problems being faced of which one happens to be the banter during challenges. This banter occurs through the reacting PMs to critiques given and also through threads discussing the comments while voting is taking place. Yes, it is Pandora's box. Another problem is the loss of productivity we all face by having this constant personal distraction during voting. I know that I can expect my work life to suffer when I have my submission analyzed by others and it really is the pitts. I hate it but it is like a drug. I fear that employers might be appauled by the distraction due to this cursed but fun site.

Might we consider for the good of all that comments are still made during voting without the need for anonymity but .......comments cannot be viewed until after the voting is complete. This will elimate the illegal PMs, threads and a multitude of other unknown factors. Once the voting is done, let hell's gate open.

We will also help by increasing our respective county's GDP.

Might that work?
Although I use computers at work I don't access the internet there so the lost produtivity aspect is not a concern to me. And the forums are not likely to be used for the kind of abuse I outlined, what with being so public and monitored by SC.

Your idea of hiding the comments along with their author's identity works for me. I see no harm in it. But it looks like a more drastic solution that would meet with even less approval.

I'd still like to hear an answer to my question.

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter?
 11/22/2004 05:07:14 PM · #19
Originally posted by coolhar:
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I'd still like to hear an answer to my question.

What's wrong with waiting until after the voting is over to conduct back and forth communication between the entering photographer and the commenter?


Oh yeah. Sorry for not getting to that. Then the question of anonymity should not be an issue. Commentors names are hidden by the system during the voting only to be revealed after voting is complete.

That might work as well. Does this address you question?

Cheers.
11/22/2004 05:59:32 PM · #20
Yes, thanks. So have a lot of people misunderstood what the poll is asking?

"Should comments be anonymous during challenge voting?"

I don't think anyone is saying that comments should be kept anonymous after the voting is finished. If that is what you thought you may want to go back and change your vote.


11/22/2004 06:10:12 PM · #21
I understood that it would be your choice whether you would like to be named or not, before or after. This is my hang-up. If you comment, you stand behind it, timing is the only thing I may be flexible on.

Any other world issues we should work out? Shipping beef to the US from Canada?

NO....wait a minute, I think we need a beer. In Calgary soon? :)

J

11/22/2004 06:58:23 PM · #22
Timing is the only issue in play. Whether the photographer learns the identity of the commenter immediately, and therefore can reply in time to influence a vote; or whether the photog learns the commenter's identity after voting is finished when it is too late to, intentionally or otherwise, influence the vote.

Calgary is a long way from Baltimore, but I did make Montreal for the Expos last game.
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