𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚖𝚘𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚙𝚑𝚢

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06/19/2024 11:51:48 AM · #1

Portraiture photography - the philosophy is that because 𝚗𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝, only imperfection can bring a photo to life

An example

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

06/19/2024 11:54:17 AM · #2

Looks like your title got buggered... let me know what it should be and I will fix it.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

06/19/2024 11:54:34 AM · #3

Too late, LOL!

I assume that the term is something that someone just coined. There is precious little available information to define it, and few examples, though it is a very intriguing idea.

Message edited by author 2024-06-19 11:57:59.

06/19/2024 12:40:00 PM · #4

Some of these don't look "imperfect". ???
So, if I'm reading the OP correctly, we'd need to find a person with some perceived imperfection to capture a portrait of? Seems a bit limiting.
More likely, I'm missing something ...

Here's the examples from the page you linked to.

06/19/2024 04:11:44 PM · #5

From the referenced site: that's actually an attitude I can (and try to) embrace heartily.

~ 𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚖𝚘𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚙𝚑𝚢 𝚒𝚜 𝚊𝚋𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭𝐥𝐲 𝐢𝐦𝐩𝐞𝐫𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲𝐭𝐞𝐥𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐭 𝐩𝐡𝐨𝐭𝐨𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐩𝐡𝐲. 𝚆𝚊𝚛𝚖 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚜𝚙𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚏𝚞𝚕, 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚛𝚘𝚘𝚖 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚊𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗.

~ 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚟𝚒𝚜𝚒𝚘𝚗 𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚒𝚗 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎 𝚒𝚜 𝚙𝚎𝚛𝚏𝚎𝚌𝚝, 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻 𝗰𝗮𝗻 𝗯𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮 𝗽𝗵𝗼𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘃𝗮𝗯𝗹y 𝘁𝗼 𝗹𝗶𝗳𝗲.

~ 𝚃𝚑𝚎 𝚗𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚍𝚎𝚛𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚜 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚘𝚖𝚘𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚙𝚑𝚢, 𝚖𝚎𝚍𝚒𝚌𝚊𝚕 𝚋𝚘𝚍𝚢 𝚒𝚖𝚊𝚐𝚒𝚗𝚐. 𝙱𝚢 𝚊𝚍𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚕𝚎𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚛 𝚎 (𝚎𝚖𝚘𝚝𝚒𝚘𝚗), 𝚎𝚝𝚘𝚖𝚘𝚐𝚛𝚊𝚙𝚑𝚢 𝚏𝚘𝚌𝚞𝚜𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗲𝗿 𝗯𝗲𝗮𝘂𝘁𝘆 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗶𝗿 𝘀𝘁𝗼𝗿𝗶𝗲𝘀.

Message edited by author 2024-06-19 16:15:52.

06/19/2024 04:18:01 PM · #6

Originally posted by glad2badad:

We're ALL imperfect. Don't try to gloss it over. Keep it REAL. Emotion lives in reality, not dreams.

06/19/2024 05:15:00 PM · #7

Well. The highlighted (multiple images of) subject was one of a person missing a limb and wearing a prosthetic.

I agree that we're all imperfect in some way or another. The other images in the examples are hard pressed to find any flaws.

06/19/2024 10:53:29 PM · #8

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Well, I see unvarnished obesity, I see a displaced curl "ruining a good shot", I see a lovely model with unkempt hair covering one eye, and I see a horrible shadow fairy tale of a grotesque, threatening figure following a dwarvish little girl. Does all of this "match the concept"? I don't know, but it's not for me to judge. Is there emotion? Emphatically, yes.

06/20/2024 04:18:12 AM · #9

Hmm. Ok-dokie.

tanguera

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

06/21/2024 12:38:46 AM · #10

Wrinkles.
Wilting flowers.
Dented car.
Cracked sidewalk.

Everything is imperfect. This challenge would be about finding the beauty and emotion in that.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/21/2024 11:18:39 AM · #11

Originally posted by tanguera:

Wrinkles.
Wilting flowers.
Dented car.
Cracked sidewalk.

Everything is imperfect. This challenge would be about finding the beauty and emotion in that.

Then why does the OP start off with "Portraiture photography"?
If this runs as a challenge, IMO it should have a description just like your last post (the imperfection ... flowers, car, sidewalk, etc.).

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/21/2024 01:13:12 PM · #12

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by tanguera:
Wrinkles.
Wilting flowers.
Dented car.
Cracked sidewalk.

Everything is imperfect. This challenge would be about finding the beauty and emotion in that.

Then why does the OP start off with "Portraiture photography"?
If this runs as a challenge, IMO it should have a description just like your last post (the imperfection ... flowers, car, sidewalk, etc.).

You could take preemptive action and enter it into the challenge pool yourself with whatever description/criteria you think appropriate -- I (for one) will be too lazy to change it, though I reserve the right to complain later. ;-)

tanguera

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED

06/21/2024 01:28:21 PM · #13

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Some people, myself included, prefer looser definitions which allows them the creativity of interpretation, like for example the term portraiture: you can make a portrait of a person, or a portrait of a car, or portrait of a tree.

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

06/21/2024 01:45:23 PM · #14

Originally posted by tanguera:

LOL! You put "portraiture" on it, and with few exceptions, people will think of portraits of a person, or a pet. Car? Tree? LOL!

As far as a loose definition, the following (from your OP) is quite open ... without the add-on sentence about portraits.

Like this:

Wrinkles.
Wilting flowers.
Dented car.
Cracked sidewalk.

Everything is imperfect. This challenge would be about finding the beauty and emotion in that.

Of course, this is now getting close to the most recent challenge "Beauty in the Everyday".

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

06/21/2024 02:11:56 PM · #15

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Of course, this is now getting close to the most recent challenge "Beauty in the Everyday".

Which has previously been run under the explicit "Wabi-sabi" designation, which makes looking for "similar" challenges challenging ...

07/18/2024 04:49:48 PM · #16

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Which has previously been run under the explicit "Wabi-sabi" designation, which makes looking for "similar" challenges challenging ...

Oh, I disagree with that. "Wabi Sabi" is about "the elusive beauty of imperfection" according to one definition: it's a key part of the Japanese aesthetic. When I posted up "Beauty in the Everyday" I had more in mind photographing ordinary, unremarkable, everyday stuff lovingly. Personally, I do that all the time FWIW. To not embellish, to not beautify, to just so the thing plainly as the thing it is. But folks don't seem to like descriptions that specific.

07/18/2024 06:09:52 PM · #17

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

But folks don't seem to like descriptions that specific.

You mean like the description for Abstract IV? :-D

07/18/2024 07:54:22 PM · #18

Originally posted by glad2badad:

You mean like the description for Abstract IV? :-D

Yeah, I can only do so much of that. But personally, I get a little annoyed when people vote as if an abstract isn't abstract unless you can't identify it...

Canon 12x IS USM (S3 IS built-in Lens) -- 36-432mm (35mm EQ)

07/18/2024 08:51:23 PM · #19

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by glad2badad:
You mean like the description for Abstract IV? :-D

Yeah, I can only do so much of that. But personally, I get a little annoyed when people vote as if an abstract isn't abstract unless you can't identify it...

Yeah. That's pretty much what the description said last time ... if you can identify it, it's not Abstract. :-)

GeneralE

Canon PowerShot S3 IS

07/18/2024 11:10:22 PM · #20

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by GeneralE:
Which has previously been run under the explicit "Wabi-sabi" designation, which makes looking for "similar" challenges challenging ...

Oh, I disagree with that. "Wabi Sabi" is about "the elusive beauty of imperfection" according to one definition: it's a key part of the Japanese aesthetic. When I posted up "Beauty in the Everyday" I had more in mind photographing ordinary, unremarkable, everyday stuff lovingly. Personally, I do that all the time FWIW. To not embellish, to not beautify, to just so the thing plainly as the thing it is. But folks don't seem to like descriptions that specific.

Oh, more like this?

07/19/2024 09:07:27 AM · #21

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Oh, more like this?

Exactly like that, for one example. Or pretty much anything by Walker Evans...

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