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02/16/2024 05:47:54 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... And if there are some who enter only those archival challenges.. well, then we get to see their entries when we otherwise wouldn't. ... |
Well, that's the kicker. Many times you actually HAVE seen their entry, just a slightly different version of it. It's kind of nice, I guess, being able to pick from images that have already been highly rated or not by the voters here. Makes the selection process from your archives much easier. |
You clearly have a much better memory than I do! Hahaha.
If there are more than a few people here who like to play those kinds of games just to win again I'd be surprised. I'm here to enjoy what I see, or not. Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
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02/16/2024 06:14:32 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet: Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... And if there are some who enter only those archival challenges.. well, then we get to see their entries when we otherwise wouldn't. ... |
Well, that's the kicker. Many times you actually HAVE seen their entry, just a slightly different version of it. It's kind of nice, I guess, being able to pick from images that have already been highly rated or not by the voters here. Makes the selection process from your archives much easier. |
You clearly have a much better memory than I do! Hahaha.
If there are more than a few people here who like to play those kinds of games just to win again I'd be surprised. I'm here to enjoy what I see, or not. Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
That's actually one of the reasons I don't like the archival challenges. I love having a chance to go back to some of the trips I enjoyed the most, that I only had a chance to enter one or two photos from. But they're also the ones that have done the best in the past. (puffins are VERY popular -- but I also have never actually gone through all of the photos I took on that trip. I have a tendency to just clean up a few photos, enter those, and never go back to the rest. So it's great to actually go look again, but it's a treasure trove of shots that will likely do very well. I actually feel guilty pulling from those. But those are the ones that I want to revisit, to enjoy again. I don't want to go look at the local pond photos of geese that are dull and boring. So it feels like cheating. But when you take multiple thousands of photos on a great trip, you're going to have some great ones from which to pull. You can't photograph wildlife for 8+ hours a day over multiple days without getting some good stuff. |
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02/16/2024 06:32:39 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by vawendy: Originally posted by PennyStreet: Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... And if there are some who enter only those archival challenges.. well, then we get to see their entries when we otherwise wouldn't. ... |
Well, that's the kicker. Many times you actually HAVE seen their entry, just a slightly different version of it. It's kind of nice, I guess, being able to pick from images that have already been highly rated or not by the voters here. Makes the selection process from your archives much easier. |
You clearly have a much better memory than I do! Hahaha.
If there are more than a few people here who like to play those kinds of games just to win again I'd be surprised. I'm here to enjoy what I see, or not. Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
That's actually one of the reasons I don't like the archival challenges. I love having a chance to go back to some of the trips I enjoyed the most, that I only had a chance to enter one or two photos from. But they're also the ones that have done the best in the past. (puffins are VERY popular -- but I also have never actually gone through all of the photos I took on that trip. I have a tendency to just clean up a few photos, enter those, and never go back to the rest. So it's great to actually go look again, but it's a treasure trove of shots that will likely do very well. I actually feel guilty pulling from those. But those are the ones that I want to revisit, to enjoy again. I don't want to go look at the local pond photos of geese that are dull and boring. So it feels like cheating. But when you take multiple thousands of photos on a great trip, you're going to have some great ones from which to pull. You can't photograph wildlife for 8+ hours a day over multiple days without getting some good stuff. |
TWO great puffin shots are always better than one! I don't understand the problem (or guilt). Hahahah, maybe that's because I don't win much:) But like you, if I shoot a lot of photos on a given outing, I also tend not to look at them all. I love the opportunity to go back and revisit at a later date and the archival challenges give me the reason to do just that. |
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02/16/2024 07:14:57 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-)
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02/16/2024 07:56:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-) |
Not going there. Hahahaha. Winning isn't everything. At least not for me. |
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02/17/2024 11:46:27 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-) |
Really? You can enter same image multiple times here? Makes no sense.
Perhaps the SC̢۪s bias against Archival is more rooted in rules laziness. |
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02/17/2024 12:00:43 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe: Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-) |
Really? You can enter same image multiple times here? Makes no sense.
Perhaps the SC̢۪s bias against Archival is more rooted in rules laziness. |
Have you heard of Outtakes? LOL
... and the bias is mine alone.
Message edited by author 2024-02-17 12:01:21. |
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02/17/2024 01:54:41 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by oldbimmercoupe: Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-) |
Really? You can enter same image multiple times here? Makes no sense.
Perhaps the SC̢۪s bias against Archival is more rooted in rules laziness. |
You cannot enter the same image more than once. And I don't know that I've ever met a lady SC. Well, maybe Bear after a good meal. ;P |
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02/17/2024 05:08:44 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb: ... For the same reasons people take a pass on nudes, Minimal, animals, fires, whatever if they don't like a challenge, this can be done for Archival. ... |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Jeb, with all due respect, that's not a valid comparsion whatsoever. Archival's are NOT a Challenge and cannot be compared to subject themed, time-restrained, go take a new photo, challenges. |
M'Kay..... Not sure I'm due any respect, don't command it and that's fine. That said, you seem to be either missing my point or deflecting it for some reason I can't fathom.
I am not comparing the challenges to each other. I am comparing the weird polarization and the fact that they have become such a ridiculous point of contention. For whatever reason, people seem to get all bent out of shape over them and it simply doesn't make sense to me.
Just like how wonky and weird people got every time the Minimal debate rolls around into the forums.
You have always championed them, and I have been on board with them because of the comfort zone thing. I like them when I can make the time to.......(Drum roll please!) challenge myself with its constraints.
If you wanna talk lazy, that's what I am a lot with having the capabilities to half-assed pay attention and edit the heck out of a lot of my work.
Originally posted by glad2badad: We had 9 Archival events in 2023. |
Okay, that's kinda one every five and a half weeks.....doesn't seem like that's much of a burden, nor so frequent that it's pushing other challenges out.
Originally posted by glad2badad: We had 5 Minimal editing challenges in 2023.
Probably could use a few more Minimal challenges. :-) |
And why aren't we squawking about that???
I thought we were supposed to have Minimal events on a semi regular basis. Once every more than two months doesn't qualify as regular on any level, IMNSHO.
Originally posted by glad2badad: Beside the Archival events, there are also several challenges with an annual open date, which are pretty much the same. So, plenty of Archival events IMO. |
Okay, the two are not the same. I'm not even sure what you mean by annual open events. You're muddying the waters with that.
I get that you don't have any interest, you can write those of us that like it off as lazy, and you feel it requires no skill, but that's pretty disingenuous.
I find it hard to believe that our more long term photographers don't have folders like I do where I only did the speed edits on the obviously good ones and didn't go back.....Kind of why I suggested a poll. that will have a chance to see how a previous choice negated an unrelated entry that is worth a go in an Archival.
Anyway, I like them for the opportunity to go back through image files and discover hiddem gems that I overlooked.
But I have other venues for that if it makes too many people whine here.
Have a nice day...
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02/17/2024 08:56:42 PM · #35 |
Dang Jeb - You sure can write some novels! :-)
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by glad2badad: Beside the Archival events, there are also several challenges with an annual open date, which are pretty much the same. So, plenty of Archival events IMO. |
... I'm not even sure what you mean by annual open events. You're muddying the waters with that. |
GeneralE referred to them also, I believer, earlier in this thread. The "Best of" / "Art of" challenges are Archival in nature in that you can enter anything from that 12 month period.
Originally posted by NikonJeb: Have a nice day... |
You as well. |
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02/18/2024 04:18:18 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
You cannot enter the same image more than once. And I don't know that I've ever met a lady SC. Well, maybe Bear after a good meal. ;P |
LOL - that immediately conjures up images of Rob as "mama bear" in Goldilocks with his apron on ;-) |
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02/18/2024 04:32:16 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by PennyStreet: ... Chances are if I loved it once, I'll love it again and vice versa. |
And that's what makes picking an image for an Archival event so much easier. It it won a ribbon once, it probably will again (or get very close). :-) |
With all due respect, but people who live in "photogenic" areas have that advantage anyway. Someone here lives "close" to a pier. We (used to) get these lovely images, often with slow shutter speed, usually sun set its. The images always do well ... Obviously the person did the same subject again and again.
Others, like myself, who live in a truly "unphotogenic" part of the world have to rely on holidays to get "pretty pictures", and then it is nice to be able to have archival challenges (or I'll just shoot my dogs ;-) ) |
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02/18/2024 10:31:37 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by kasaba: Others, like myself, who live in a truly "unphotogenic" part of the world have to rely on holidays to get "pretty pictures", and then it is nice to be able to have archival challenges (or I'll just shoot my dogs ;-) ) |
kasaba 2023
75 Entries
20 Ribbons
9 Honorable Mentions
Entered 6 of 9 Archivals (5 of 6 were currently taken)
Dog(s) featured 13 times
Looks like you're doing just fine with the available number of Archivals. :-D
Message edited by author 2024-02-18 10:57:46. |
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02/18/2024 12:55:05 PM · #39 |
Archival discussion aside...back to my original post...
Thanks to everyone who voted. I finished in 5th place and that means $1000 credit for my next trip. I know if I had posted here earlier, I would have been even higher up!
Thanks again!!!!
On the archival discussion: I'll summarize my perspective of the archival argument. Like many of you, having contests/challenges gives me extra motivation to work on images. I retired from my day job as a software developer in June, and I've found that archive permitting challenges (whether here or elsewhere) inspire me to take the search topically for photos in my Lightroom library (and keyword better), and then to produce more artwork for contests, printing, and sale than I could if I only focused on new images. I've really enjoyed spending time finding what we used to call "hidden gems" in my archive.
My call for more archival challenges here was simply a personal desire so I could come back and participate (some/more?) on DPC. I am reticent to post about another site here, but there seem to be others with a desire to have an outlet for archival contests, so I will. Those who want a good outlet for archival challenges should check out Photocrowd.com as a supplement to DPChallenge. The contests are topical like here--and there are A LOT of contests running concurrently. Contests there are either judged by an "expert" or crowd voted or both. In addition to my local photo club, I've been using that as inspiration to work on my archive of photos over the past year or so. The site is free, though you can participate in more contests with a relatively inexpensive annual membership (which I have). The downside is that each contest has thousands of entries so the competition is very tough. But that also means it's challenging!
But I want to add that it's not a real "substitute" for DPC. It's not a community like DPC. In fact, over the many years, I've never been in a community as good as DPC, where I've made so many friends, and met up with people from all over the country. I have missed being here!
Message edited by author 2024-02-18 12:56:56. |
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02/18/2024 12:57:59 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Neil: Archival discussion aside...back to my original post...
Thanks to everyone who voted. I finished in 5th place and that means $1000 credit for my next trip. I know if I had posted here earlier, I would have been even higher up!
Thanks again!!!!
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Cool. Congrats! |
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03/09/2024 06:41:20 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Im in the Archival fan club as well. Like the ongoing conflict over Minimal, the justification would be that they aren't very often and if you don't want to enter one, don't.
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What?! Minimal is not comparable to Archival. Minimal is still a CHALLENGE, i.e. in the DPChallenge dynamic. You have a short(ish) window to figure out a way to meet the CHALLENGE and capture an image that fits the theme.
Archival is sit on your tail, look for outtakes from your best peforming images of days gone by, and find a way to make it fit. No CHALLENGE whatsoever. |
What a narrow and paranoid definition of Archival. No wonder you take this so seriously. Archival means ANY image from the vault that you think getting some feedback on would be interesting. Oy. |
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03/09/2024 06:56:00 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by glad2badad: Originally posted by NikonJeb: ... I honestly am kind of surprised at the "sit on your tail" take. ... |
Why? It's the truth. There's no work required for Archival challenges, except to peruse your hard drive and find something that fits. No "challenge" whatsoever.
I remember when we started doing a lot of Archivals during the pandemic. After the challenges I'd look at photographer's portfolios. I think it was at least 50% of the 'entries' were outtakes of some successful actual challenge shot they entered previously (myself included). You'll probably say "so what?" ... I'll maintain my opinion that archival challenges are easy, require no work, and are a somewhat lazy approach to "participation".
DPChallenge isn't easy. That's what drew me to participate here. I actually even preferred the one week window we used to have, to go out and capture a new image. I prefer to keep the 'Challenge' in DPChallenge. |
Require no work!? Archival allows you to totally re-edit you know. As we learn editing skills thru the years it is great to revisit and MINE THE ARCHIVES for something totally different. If you are afraid of people using a winner adjacent image then put in a rule that no entry can be from that MONTH. That should do it.
Death to minimal; more Archivals! |
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03/09/2024 07:24:22 PM · #43 |
Hi Jim. Good to see you too. :-) |
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