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 07/13/2023 01:09:43 PM · #26
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Awwww the beauty of art . . . Even definitions are open to interpretation / application which frames the finished piece of art itself which is open to interpretation of meeting a âdefinitionâ and then of being pleasing to the viewer. So much subjectivity.


that's fine. it's the same as voting high for nudes in an Overexposed challenge. I just get a little frustrated because in this challenge only the nudes are getting ribbons.


If enough people interpreted overexposed as nudes, then they would in fact be the only oneâs getting the ribbons for that challenge. It is no different than the abandoned challenge having the front page images all be buildings. It was largely believed to be a building specific topic by voters and participants. While I understand negative space photography to be in line with the Top 10 I absolutely can appreciate how you interpret it differently, neither of us need to admit we were wrong or didnât know something; we just believe or were taught differently.

ETA: I went a looked at a few of the past Negative Space challenges and the three or four I looked at all ribbon winners (and for the most part the Top 10) resembled the same definition of Negative Space that was used here. So, not sure that this outcome is all that surprising.


I don't see anything to disagree with here. I didn't start this thread because I was surprised. This is something I've wanted to say for a long long time but usually resist because I'm not really that interested in following strict definitions of challenge topics.

The reason I started this thread is because both in this site and the world in general it feels like the End Times, a good time to say things that are on your mind regardless of what practical consequence they may have. It's also a time of blissful ignorance, which I always oppose. If you want to come up with some airy fairy meaning of "negative space," fine, as long as you know where it actually comes from.
 07/13/2023 01:46:24 PM · #27
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
Awwww the beauty of art . . . Even definitions are open to interpretation / application which frames the finished piece of art itself which is open to interpretation of meeting a âdefinitionâ and then of being pleasing to the viewer. So much subjectivity.


that's fine. it's the same as voting high for nudes in an Overexposed challenge. I just get a little frustrated because in this challenge only the nudes are getting ribbons.


If enough people interpreted overexposed as nudes, then they would in fact be the only oneâs getting the ribbons for that challenge. It is no different than the abandoned challenge having the front page images all be buildings. It was largely believed to be a building specific topic by voters and participants. While I understand negative space photography to be in line with the Top 10 I absolutely can appreciate how you interpret it differently, neither of us need to admit we were wrong or didnât know something; we just believe or were taught differently.

ETA: I went a looked at a few of the past Negative Space challenges and the three or four I looked at all ribbon winners (and for the most part the Top 10) resembled the same definition of Negative Space that was used here. So, not sure that this outcome is all that surprising.


I don't see anything to disagree with here. I didn't start this thread because I was surprised. This is something I've wanted to say for a long long time but usually resist because I'm not really that interested in following strict definitions of challenge topics.

The reason I started this thread is because both in this site and the world in general it feels like the End Times, a good time to say things that are on your mind regardless of what practical consequence they may have. It's also a time of blissful ignorance, which I always oppose. If you want to come up with some airy fairy meaning of "negative space," fine, as long as you know where it actually comes from.


I just finished reading âNeverâ by Ken Follett so your End Times comment sounded right on to me.
07/13/2023 03:12:16 PM · #28
Originally posted by posthumous:
I know education hurts, but here is the wikipedia entry for Negative Space:

"In art and design, negative space is the empty space around and between the subject(s) of an image.[1] Negative space may be most evident when the space around a subject, not the subject itself, forms an interesting or artistically relevant shape, and such space occasionally is used to artistic effect as the "real" subject of an image."

None of the top ten use the actual definition of negative space. Here are two examples from further down the results:



Posted in case maybe one or two of you can actually admit you didn't know something and were wrong about something. I've been trying that lately and I find it very rewarding.


I read both the definition you cited (art and design) and the one Erin cited (photography). I went with the latter for two reasons: 1) I had NO idea how to even go about "following" the first; and 2) I felt minimalism was going to be my best bet in terms of a competitive entry.

Personally, I always like something of interest - usually textural - in the background so the "subject" isn't just floating and the "negative space" does have interest (albeit supportive). So, though I didn't give it my top score (that went to - 10), I do think Anita's blue ribbon winner was perfect for the challenge.

I don't actually find the background/negative space particularly compelling in either of the examples you posted, Don - though to me it's of more interest in the teasels (6 from me) than in the bird on a branch one (5).
 07/13/2023 04:44:38 PM · #29
Originally posted by nam:
I don't actually find the background/negative space particularly compelling in either of the examples you posted, Don
ok but I wasn't arguing that they were compelling, just that they had negative space.

as some mentioned, tanguera's example is not negative space, but it's easy to turn it into an example of negative space. Here you go:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/530833e1e4b091b1a7918b0c/1448449852066-MS3UGTU68RBIVDHMOS7E/RubinSelves.jpg
07/13/2023 05:33:09 PM · #30
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by nam:
I don't actually find the background/negative space particularly compelling in either of the examples you posted, Don
ok but I wasn't arguing that they were compelling, just that they had negative space.

as some mentioned, tanguera's example is not negative space, but it's easy to turn it into an example of negative space. Here you go:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/530833e1e4b091b1a7918b0c/1448449852066-MS3UGTU68RBIVDHMOS7E/RubinSelves.jpg


Thanks. Some day I will understand/get this with other than the classic two faces in profile that also define the outline of a vase example :)
 07/13/2023 08:48:57 PM · #31
Originally posted by posthumous:
Originally posted by ErinKirsten:
[quote=posthumous] [quote=ErinKirsten] Awwww the beauty of art . . . Even definitions are open to interpretation / application which frames the finished piece of art itself which is open to interpretation of meeting a âdefinitionâ and then of being pleasing to the viewer. So much subjectivity.


The reason I started this thread is because both in this site and the world in general it feels like the End Times, a good time to say things that are on your mind regardless of what practical consequence they may have. It's also a time of blissful ignorance, which I always oppose. If you want to come up with some airy fairy meaning of "negative space," fine, as long as you know where it actually comes from.


Don, I donât really care too much in regards to what people think is negative space but your comment about the end times is 100% correct!
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