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11/10/2004 11:52:54 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by zeuszen:
I think it's a cool world, and I don't agree with the politics either. We could be better off for our politics, and, great, if you'd be better off for it too. |
My world is cool too, and I'm glad yours is too, but in many parts of the world the world is not so cool. When bombs fall in your garden, and when your kids step on landmines in theyr backyards, the woirld is not so cool, belive me. I choose to care about that I don't care about any other kind of politics eyther, but when they kill children for oil, I choose to atleast scream out loud about it, because that's the only thing i can really do. |
Well, mine was a flip-in-reply, Cristi, directed only at spydr's post. I do agree and understand that history sometimes leaves us no options and returns us to blood and grief. If screaming can relieve it, let us scream. If we have the courage to oppose tanks with stones, let us throw stones.
If, however, we have any other means to create a better world, let us trust and try, instead of loosing heart.
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11/11/2004 10:59:24 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
He found and killed no1 muppets show leader Ossama Bin Laden. |
So the last video was his back from the dead tour ? |
That's funny you know, made me think about Michael Moores theoryes that terrorism is not really a threat but is something Bush uses to his advantage... Funny how Ossama's last video came out a few days before the ellection. Tha's also why I called him "muppets show leader". |
Exactly, Bush used that fear element on his own people and guess what? It worked. 51% of you people bought into it. Don't you feel minipulated?
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11/11/2004 11:09:25 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by orussell:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
He found and killed no1 muppets show leader Ossama Bin Laden. |
So the last video was his back from the dead tour ? |
That's funny you know, made me think about Michael Moores theoryes that terrorism is not really a threat but is something Bush uses to his advantage... Funny how Ossama's last video came out a few days before the ellection. Tha's also why I called him "muppets show leader". |
Exactly, Bush used that fear element on his own people and guess what? It worked. 51% of you people bought into it. Don't you feel minipulated? |
Me?
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11/11/2004 12:52:13 PM · #29 |
Sorry. The 51% who voted Bush.
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11/11/2004 02:57:46 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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half of america? that's an extremly inflated estimate... less than half of the population actually voted, and less than half of the voters voted for the losing side... so maybe the notepad should be signed by "less than 25% of America rather than half...
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11/11/2004 03:12:43 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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half of america? that's an extremly inflated estimate... less than half of the population actually voted, and less than half of the voters voted for the losing side... so maybe the notepad should be signed by "less than 25% of America rather than half... |
Good point.
Don't forget that this also means that only around 25% voted Bush in too.
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11/12/2004 08:18:47 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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half of america? that's an extremly inflated estimate... less than half of the population actually voted, and less than half of the voters voted for the losing side... so maybe the notepad should be signed by "less than 25% of America rather than half... |
Good point.
Don't forget that this also means that only around 25% voted Bush in too. |
I've found this leap in logic pretty interesting (and seen it used by both sides to minimize the other). Here's another way to look at it:
For months (actually, years) we've been accepting "studies" and "polls" and the like which base their results on a sampling of, usually, around 1000 people as hard and fast evidence that the American public supports this person or that person, approves of this policy or that policy, believes this reality or that reality. Now, we have a national election which "polled" the opinion of some 120 million people - some half the elegable voters and over a third of the total population. That's a sampling size 100,000 times larger than the average poll. I'd say that, no matter how you slice it, this is as close as you'll ever get to saying that, as a fact, 51% of the entire American public wants Bush, and 48% of the entire American public wants Kerry.
If you want to rant on and on about 23% of Americans voting on "moral values" based on a sampling of just 13,660 people, then accept that the election results represent the entire population, not just 25%, and that 51% of America elected Bush.
And to the world, sorry, but I'm not sorry. :) |
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11/12/2004 09:30:38 PM · #33 |
I'm sorry too world...I'm part of the population who is very sorry that he got re-elected...I will proudly admit I tried I went to the polls on election day and I voted for Kerry. I tried but I was only one person.
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11/12/2004 11:12:55 PM · #34 |
what bothers me about this sort of thread is this. all of these kerry supporters who claim we (those who voted for bush (I am liberitarian normally but decided to go with who I believed was the lesser of two evils) have blinders on, fail to acknowledge any fault in their candidate, as if he were some sort of super robot that makes no mistakes.
I fail to believe neither kerry or bush had a magical fool proof plan to attain the results that we (americans) as a people demand. I think it's pretty sorry that people believe in this perfect world theory. There is no way to please all the people all the time, and when you have one person gaining way and another being stomped on. The people with tread on their backs are going to fight back. Peace is an impass that we all must face. As long as someone tries to rob you, you will defend your gold. Americans are mad about 9-11 yes. No one went through the channels america went through to attack us, the terrorists just did. I saw bush go through every legal channel before attacking anyone. There is a big difference here.
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11/13/2004 06:08:25 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by ScottK:
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by Anachronite:
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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half of america? that's an extremly inflated estimate... less than half of the population actually voted, and less than half of the voters voted for the losing side... so maybe the notepad should be signed by "less than 25% of America rather than half... |
Good point.
Don't forget that this also means that only around 25% voted Bush in too. |
I've found this leap in logic pretty interesting (and seen it used by both sides to minimize the other)... |
Dammit, I thought I'd managed to kill this thread!
I agree with you Scott. I just don't like seeing people skewing stats in such ridiculous ways and felt that balance should be restored. To do that I needed to be just as ridiculous : )
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11/13/2004 08:40:27 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by ellamay:
Hasn't the US done... |
I disagree... In 3 years he did eradicate terrorism, He did foud weapons of mass distruction in Iraq, He found and killed no1 muppets show leader Ossama Bin Laden. Those womans and chldren are called "collateral damage" or whatever... who cares? |
Well, there you go.
And I thought the turn-out for the election was 60%, so those other statisitics should read 30%, etc. etc.
I fear more for your savings and mortgages than anything else. if the defecit keeps growing at the rate it is currently ...man, that's the biggest time bomb in world economics. And yes you will feel the impact of it.
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11/13/2004 08:41:02 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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And the other half, not from the US, will ... ?
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11/13/2004 09:37:54 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by vince31874:
I sure as hell ain't sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that knocked down those buildings should be sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that behead people should be sorry.
Maybe Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people should be sorry.
And countless other reasons I won't waste my time with...
And no... by no means am I tying terrorism to Iraq....
But... what I am trying to say is... if we have to be sorry for voting... or not voting... or whatever.... my point is.... these apologies are just as needed.
I sure as hell ain't sorry for voting for Bush. |
If your president is so worried about people dying, why doesnt his ass invade some countries in Africa where GENOCIDE is happening. Oh yeah, SUVS dont run on sand...
Message edited by author 2004-11-13 21:38:51.
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11/13/2004 10:41:11 PM · #39 |
Great site. Thanks for sharing.
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11/13/2004 10:47:59 PM · #40 |
Originally posted by Damian:
Originally posted by vince31874:
I sure as hell ain't sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that knocked down those buildings should be sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that behead people should be sorry.
Maybe Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people should be sorry.
And countless other reasons I won't waste my time with...
And no... by no means am I tying terrorism to Iraq....
But... what I am trying to say is... if we have to be sorry for voting... or not voting... or whatever.... my point is.... these apologies are just as needed.
I sure as hell ain't sorry for voting for Bush. |
If your president is so worried about people dying, why doesnt his ass invade some countries in Africa where GENOCIDE is happening. Oh yeah, SUVS dont run on sand... |
What about the UN? They said they were, and are looking into this for way too long. Why dont they go ivestigate AND take actions?
We all know they never will. If ever was a time for the UN to show what there are made of...this is the chance. It will never happen.
The US military is sorta busy right now if you have not noticed. |
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11/13/2004 11:03:56 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
What about the UN? They said they were, and are looking into this for way too long. Why dont they go ivestigate AND take actions?
We all know they never will. If ever was a time for the UN to show what there are made of...this is the chance. It will never happen.
The US military is sorta busy right now if you have not noticed. |
Strategically, a dictator, too, can be expected to act more quickly and decisively than a democratically elected parliament, particularly the sum of numerous parliaments and their representatives. After all, there is no one to consult but those who think as he does.
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11/13/2004 11:13:03 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by Damian:
If your president is so worried about people dying, why doesnt his ass invade some countries in Africa where GENOCIDE is happening. Oh yeah, SUVS dont run on sand... |
And neither do hockey players.... :)
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11/13/2004 11:21:45 PM · #43 |
I dont buy that. The UN has seen the absolute atrocities in Africa happen for years. And they have swept it under the carpet. THEY said they would help...and they have done nothing.
If it takes 5 years for every one to agree what to do.....well its pretty worthless, just like the UN.
Message edited by author 2004-11-13 23:23:26. |
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11/13/2004 11:28:47 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
I dont buy that. The UN has seen the absolute atrocities in Africa happen for years. And they have swept it under the carpet. THEY said they would help...and they have done nothing.
If it takes 5 years for every one to agree what to do.....well its pretty worthless, just like the UN. |
Participation and commitment would, perhaps, contribute more to an efficient UN than abandoning it?
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11/14/2004 12:39:34 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Damian:
Originally posted by vince31874:
I sure as hell ain't sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that knocked down those buildings should be sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that behead people should be sorry.
Maybe Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people should be sorry.
And countless other reasons I won't waste my time with...
And no... by no means am I tying terrorism to Iraq....
But... what I am trying to say is... if we have to be sorry for voting... or not voting... or whatever.... my point is.... these apologies are just as needed.
I sure as hell ain't sorry for voting for Bush. |
If your president is so worried about people dying, why doesnt his ass invade some countries in Africa where GENOCIDE is happening. Oh yeah, SUVS dont run on sand... |
Your country loves to preach the moral high road so much, why doesn't it do anything to help the people in Africa? |
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11/14/2004 12:44:22 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by Riggs:
I dont buy that. The UN has seen the absolute atrocities in Africa happen for years. And they have swept it under the carpet. THEY said they would help...and they have done nothing.
If it takes 5 years for every one to agree what to do.....well its pretty worthless, just like the UN. |
The UN won't do a damn thing until we end up having to go there; then they will rush in to take all the credit and lecture us on making sure we don't mistreat any islamic butchers. |
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11/14/2004 01:13:53 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by frychikn:
Originally posted by Damian:
Originally posted by vince31874:
I sure as hell ain't sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that knocked down those buildings should be sorry.
Maybe the terrorists that behead people should be sorry.
Maybe Saddam Hussein who gassed his own people should be sorry.
And countless other reasons I won't waste my time with...
And no... by no means am I tying terrorism to Iraq....
But... what I am trying to say is... if we have to be sorry for voting... or not voting... or whatever.... my point is.... these apologies are just as needed.
I sure as hell ain't sorry for voting for Bush. |
If your president is so worried about people dying, why doesnt his ass invade some countries in Africa where GENOCIDE is happening. Oh yeah, SUVS dont run on sand... |
Your country loves to preach the moral high road so much, why doesn't it do anything to help the people in Africa? |
My country (being Poland) is helping with the Iraq war (something I am against). Canada cant help with anything because Canada has no army....simple as that. But the hockey players dont have jobs right now, maybe we can send them over there to fight ; )
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11/14/2004 02:38:47 AM · #48 |
Yeah, the liberal will be real sorry if Bush lost and there is a nuke detonated in the US because Kerry couldn't tell a terrorist from a goose he shot in Ohio (which makes you wonder -- he can't even pick up the dead goose, how is he going to kill terrorists if he can't even pick up his own prey?)
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11/14/2004 02:43:42 AM · #49 |
I'd like to point out a little tidbit that everyone seems to have forgotten:
SEPTEMBER 11th HAPPENED WHILE BUSH WAS IN OFFICE
How the hell do you, then, draw a conclusion that he's going to be able to do anything about it now? Hmm?
Originally posted by paganini:
Yeah, the liberal will be real sorry if Bush lost and there is a nuke detonated in the US because Kerry couldn't tell a terrorist from a goose he shot in Ohio (which makes you wonder -- he can't even pick up the dead goose, how is he going to kill terrorists if he can't even pick up his own prey?) |
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11/14/2004 02:57:03 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by ellamay:
I know half of you will hate this and half will add to it, I just thought I would post it.
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My god, I've never seen so many ugly people in one place. I guess the URL www.GodsMulligans.com was already taken. Seriously, where are all the normal looking Bush haters? |
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