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11/08/2004 10:29:15 AM · #26 |
I can't think of an image that would NOT meet this challenge. I have a calendar in my office (...cubicle, actually, but that's beside the point..:-), that each month displays a different image of historic sites around my hometown. Any view could be displayed in any month.
The month in which a particular image is shown is irrelavant, - unless it's a seasonal/date-related image. If I choose to link a photo with any arbitrary month, will my calendar be less interesting or meaningful, simply because of that choice?
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11/08/2004 10:51:34 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
If I choose to link a photo with any arbitrary month, will my calendar be less interesting or meaningful, simply because of that choice? |
Any image might be fair game for a calendar, but photos that actually relate to a specific month in some way (and therefore the Calendar), will probably score higher. |
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11/08/2004 02:34:34 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by dartompkins:
"Even if someone has chosen to represent an image from, say, a jewellery store's calendar (I'm picking that on the assumption that I'm not referring to an actual entry, I haven't looked through all the entries so if I seem to be referring to an actual one let me know and I'll edit to a different example) then I would be looking for a picture of their item of jewellery that also links to the month - whether it's a bracelet in a snowy setting for a winter month or a ring shown with some daffodils for a spring month. But just a plain image of a necklace with nothing at all to speak about season - it just strikes me as an easy way out to make this into a Free Study challenge."
The problem with this thinking is. It does not snow EVERYWHERE in December. As pointed out previously, somewhere in the world it is summer in December. |
My point was NOT about limiting communication of seasons to the northern hemisphere (I was giving examples that happen to fit with seasons in my hemisphere because I know the months best without having to think about it) but about creating an image that clearly attempts to show a link to the month given. I'd vote just as highly if I saw the bracelet in the snow entitled June instead of December. I wouldn't vote as highly if I saw the bracelet with no seasonal context.
As I said earlier, yes many calendars have images that could easily be mixed up and shown in any order. But interpreting the challenge that way just makes it a free study. I'm personally awarding higher marks to entries that have really made an effort to USE the month aspect of the description by finding a way to show me why their image works best for the month they have chosen.
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11/09/2004 10:27:46 AM · #29 |
what do i think? i think i absolutely regret my entry, and wish i submitted this one instead...what month? i don't know, but anything beats what i've got going right now...
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11/09/2004 12:17:37 PM · #30 |
This thread once again shows that challenge descriptions need to be removed or else written by a lawyer to be as specific as possible.
1) You have people who for some reason cant find fault with the image and so is attacking the title for not following the letter of the description. As if a couple of extra words is going to violate the integrity of the photograph. These people are clearly extremely anal and who must have every single little detail followed precisely in order for them to be allowed to give an average to high score.
2) You have people who interpret the description in their own way and any image not completely satisfying that gets points removed. In this case it is the reading between the lines that the month HAS to be represented by the image in an over-the-head obvious way. I.E. snow must be present in all December shots (or July if shot in the Southern Hemisphere and specifically claim (southern hemisphere) unless the number two person is also part number one person in which extra words are also an instant removal of points) or beaches in July, leaves in October, and all the other cliche aspects of specific months.
3) You have people who see the challenge is Calendar, they read the description and see that is it fairly open. They are aware that calendars in the 'real world' are any orientation, any theme, and can be irrelevant or only have a barest connection to a month, I.e. no snow shots in April.
So you have strict, interpretitive, and go with the flow. I'm sure there are other kinds out there too. I'm also sure I've insulted most people on DPC now (although not intentionally but as a form of caricature). How do we get all three DPC voter types to agree? If the description is removed then we all have to take an image based on our own interpretation. Voting may still occur based on personal interpretation but there is no excuse or reason to base that on other than your own personal opinion. You cant claim 'well the admin told us it must be a, b, and c' because they dont tell you anything.
The description no longer serves as a helpful tool but is used as a limiting factor and an excuse to vote down images that may or may not deserve it. |
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11/09/2004 01:55:18 PM · #31 |
Ok. Everybody take a deep breath. Now let it out slowly. Ahhh, don't we all feel better now?
LOL |
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11/09/2004 02:03:29 PM · #32 |
I've been asking myself three questions: could I see this image in a calendar (not worrying about which month it is)? How would I feel looking at the image every day for a month? How good is the image itself?
With these in mind I've been rating images. I've found quite a few very good ones, most adequate ones, and a few not so good.
Message edited by author 2004-11-09 14:05:13.
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11/09/2004 02:26:56 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by ACPhotoDesign:
I've been asking myself three questions: could I see this image in a calendar (not worrying about which month it is)? How would I feel looking at the image every day for a month? How good is the image itself?
With these in mind I've been rating images. I've found quite a few very good ones, most adequate ones, and a few not so good. |
If only this had been the challenge description... |
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11/09/2004 02:46:21 PM · #34 |
I used extra words in my title. I'm going to try and justify it without giving away which image is mine.
Living where I do, if I were to just post the shot and have the local community vote on it with just the month name, they'd understand this. I tried to go about it with an open mind, however. I realized that not everyone will draw the correlation between the subject and that month. So for a little booster in comprehension, I added a phrase to the title that does worlds of explaining about my picture.
I wasn't desperately trying to tie my image into the challenge by adding the extra words, I was merely trying to remove the cultural barriers that the image would've held.
I wasn't trying to make this into a free study. I was trying to salvage some resemblence of a score by making it easier to understand just _how_ it fit the challenge, rather than to leave it with just a month as a title and get people saying "I don't get it" or "Doesn't meet the challenge."
Bickering over something so petty is ridiculous. I have two calendars that I use, one is the American Coaster Enthusiasts Calendar (in my room, 12 different rollercoaster shots) and the other is a Penguins calendar (downstairs, which has various representations of Penguins in it, all but 1 (which is ironically, January) feature some sort of ice or snow in the shot).
So then, which would you rather have? A nice, diverse collection of shots that give you a decent variety of images to vote and comment on, or a challenge in which 80% of the images are landscape shots and titled "November"?
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11/09/2004 02:47:39 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by ACPhotoDesign:
I've been asking myself three questions: could I see this image in a calendar (not worrying about which month it is)? How would I feel looking at the image every day for a month? How good is the image itself?
With these in mind I've been rating images. I've found quite a few very good ones, most adequate ones, and a few not so good. |
Good thinking Ann. Now I feel better about giving out those high scores to the photos with long titles. I was feeling guilty about letting those darn cheaters slide.
: ) |
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11/09/2004 03:59:15 PM · #36 |
Ok I only voted about 70% yet, but I must say I'm disapointed, I'm not going to name subjects I seen but I'm gonna say that on more than 50% of the images I seen the image is like a jolly jocker, a replacement for anything. The title says a month but it could aswell say any other month, or anything else it won't matter. The image has nothing to do with that month anyways. Please people I know most of you have a certain something in your minds when you do that, but always ask yourselfs if others will understand it. I don't in most I seen in this chalenge. Maybe I'm just stupid.
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11/09/2004 04:33:27 PM · #37 |
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5.
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11/09/2004 05:16:23 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
I can't think of an image that would NOT meet this challenge. I have a calendar in my office (...cubicle, actually, but that's beside the point..:-), that each month displays a different image of historic sites around my hometown. Any view could be displayed in any month.
The month in which a particular image is shown is irrelavant, - unless it's a seasonal/date-related image. If I choose to link a photo with any arbitrary month, will my calendar be less interesting or meaningful, simply because of that choice? |
Agree. I vote as if this is a free study... so every entry meets the challenge.
Check out calendars.com and browse the different categories. Many of the photos do not relate to the month they were used in.
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11/09/2004 05:52:24 PM · #39 |
I agree any real calendar can use almost any image they plese that doesn't make it a bad callendar. But this is not a calendars contest but a photo contest with the "calendar" subject. Beacuse of that for me any shot should be somehow representing the month that is titled there. I agree the rules doesn't specify that, so as a personal option I vote down all shots that doesn't connect to the month in the title. It is not a free study and certainly not a titles contest. So in lets say a "December" shot i'd like to se something, anything that would put my mind in December. There is a huge amount of shots tho where you can say any month and it's the same. I really feel that the title is the only thing that puts it in a calendar there. All those I vote down. Sorry. I agree the rules arn't clear on this, so I do it as a personal option, others may do how they please.
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11/09/2004 06:08:19 PM · #40 |
I completely agree with the statement that this a photography contest not a contest on calendars.
I believe that people that vote based on the subject of the photo are completely missing the point.
Some jackass gave me a 1 simply because he did not like the subject. What an idiot. Yes, a complete idiot.
I think DPC should consider an electoral college voting system rather than popular vote to protect these people from themselves.... ;) |
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11/09/2004 06:21:53 PM · #41 |
"Your challenge is to take a picture that would look good in a yearly calendar. Your photo title should be the month to which your photo belongs."
Can someone tell me where in the above statement (a direct quote from the actual rules) it indicates that it needs to be a specific type of calendar? I saw a number of photos that would look fabulous in a calendar that could be titled with any bloody month they pleased, since there is no context to prove otherwise.
For instance, in an Automobile Calendar, I would expect photos of an Automobile. Should december be an automobile covered in snow to appease those who live in climates where it actually snows in december? Give me a break.
This is one of the most ridiculous threads I've read in a long time, and I've read a lot of ridiculous crap over the last two years here. So much so that I quit reading the forums, despite some intelligent pockets of info here and there.
/me wonders why he stated reading them again...or bothered to post to this thread... |
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11/09/2004 07:09:54 PM · #42 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
I guess you should be lucky that not everyone gives automatic low scores because they feel like it then or else who knows where your score would be. |
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11/09/2004 07:13:41 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by moodville:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
I guess you should be lucky that not everyone gives automatic low scores because they feel like it then or else who knows where your score would be. |
My photo is in teh same place it always is, so it really doesn't matter regardless. I vote how I see fit, it doesnt have to please you or anyone else really.
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11/09/2004 07:33:24 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
Originally posted by moodville:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
I guess you should be lucky that not everyone gives automatic low scores because they feel like it then or else who knows where your score would be. |
My photo is in teh same place it always is, so it really doesn't matter regardless. I vote how I see fit, it doesnt have to please you or anyone else really. |
Irrational, ignorant and plain stupid. "...I vote how I see fit..." Great! Go ahead!
It is people like this that cause me to rethink how I vote. So many people on this site go to the profile and see what a guy gives as an average vote. Then they bitch because the average vote is of a member is so low. So I make sure I am fair about my voting and do not give below a 5 for photos that meet the challenge. No matter what. If your photo meets the challenge you get a 5. That's fair.
DPC should consider going to a scale of 1 to 5 to limit the idiotic low voters that vote low simply because they are too lazy or stupid to consider a photo for its merit in many areas rather than just them stomping through the voting process to get it done.
The 1 to 10 scale leaves too much to interpret in my opinion.
I have never won a ribbon. However, I am very happy where I am because
I am absolutely new to photography. But I take the time to view and vote on each photo and to consider its merit in many ways. I am not new, however, to common courtesy. The fact is there are many people on this site that take time out of their busy days to sit and review the photos here and give constructive criticism on the photos. They vote honestly and fairly without worry of their own placement. I thank those people. Not for the votes, but for the constructive critiques that help make me a better photographer.
I apologize...this subject has me hot. |
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11/09/2004 07:33:36 PM · #45 |
| For this challenge i imagine the picture in a calendar hanging on my wall... I also give a few more points if the month fits the photo really well. |
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11/09/2004 07:35:29 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
Originally posted by moodville:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
I guess you should be lucky that not everyone gives automatic low scores because they feel like it then or else who knows where your score would be. |
My photo is in teh same place it always is, so it really doesn't matter regardless. I vote how I see fit, it doesnt have to please you or anyone else really. |
Did I say anything about pleasing me or anyone? I was just saying how it is good that not everyone gives people a three without even looking at the image. As long as you know why you're voting like you are is all that matters. And now that we know why you are voting as you are, then we feel just that little bit more informed. |
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11/09/2004 08:27:57 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
i'm curious to know how you know exactly where in the world a photo was taken and how you know without a doubt that the photo doesn't accurately depict the month in the title? are you saying that if the photo doesn't depict the month as it looks in your area that you are scoring it a 3? seems to be a very narrow-minded way of viewing things.
there are thousands of different types of calendars that are available...swimsuit models, vintage automobiles, motorcycles, landscapes, historical monuments, etc. i don't see how you can NOT vote this as a free study challenge.
as Pedro points out, the challenge description doesn't give a specific type of calendar. if it did, then voting down a photo which didn't meet the challenge would be valid. as it is, it seems to me that every photo submitted automatically meets the challenge.
and, for the record, my photo has extra words in the title.
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11/09/2004 09:03:20 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
Can someone tell me where in the above statement (a direct quote from the actual rules) it indicates that it needs to be a specific type of calendar? |
It's right there in the middle in small type. If your monitor isn't calibrated JUUUUST right, you might have overlooked it:
"Your challenge is to take a picture that would look good in a yearly calendar. [Specifically, a landscape image that relates to a particular season. You should avoid automobiles, cats, bugs and flowers at all cost. For the purpose of this challenge, assume that the entire world lives in Chicago.] Your photo title should be the month to which your photo belongs."
So what's all the fuss about? Seems pretty clear to me. ;-) |
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11/09/2004 09:10:04 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by scalvert:
Originally posted by Pedro:
Can someone tell me where in the above statement (a direct quote from the actual rules) it indicates that it needs to be a specific type of calendar? |
It's right there in the middle in small type. If your monitor isn't calibrated JUUUUST right, you might have overlooked it:
"Your challenge is to take a picture that would look good in a yearly calendar. [Specifically, a landscape image that relates to a particular season. You should avoid automobiles, cats, bugs and flowers at all cost. For the purpose of this challenge, assume that the entire world lives in Chicago.] Your photo title should be the month to which your photo belongs."
So what's all the fuss about? Seems pretty clear to me. ;-) |
Holy crap, you're right. How could I have been so foolish? Please, pardon my japery.
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11/09/2004 10:03:17 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by stupidcat:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
Originally posted by moodville:
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I'm voting like this...
If I think your photo for whatever reason DOESN'T represent the month, you're automatically getting a 3. This isn't a free study and people shouldnt treat it as such. I'm halfway through, and I havent given this many low marks in a while.
I am happy to report that my photo jumped .25 during the day lol. Still not doing how I hoped, BUT it's over 5. |
I guess you should be lucky that not everyone gives automatic low scores because they feel like it then or else who knows where your score would be. |
My photo is in teh same place it always is, so it really doesn't matter regardless. I vote how I see fit, it doesnt have to please you or anyone else really. |
Irrational, ignorant and plain stupid. "...I vote how I see fit..." Great! Go ahead!
It is people like this that cause me to rethink how I vote. So many people on this site go to the profile and see what a guy gives as an average vote. Then they bitch because the average vote is of a member is so low. So I make sure I am fair about my voting and do not give below a 5 for photos that meet the challenge. No matter what. If your photo meets the challenge you get a 5. That's fair.
DPC should consider going to a scale of 1 to 5 to limit the idiotic low voters that vote low simply because they are too lazy or stupid to consider a photo for its merit in many areas rather than just them stomping through the voting process to get it done.
The 1 to 10 scale leaves too much to interpret in my opinion.
I have never won a ribbon. However, I am very happy where I am because
I am absolutely new to photography. But I take the time to view and vote on each photo and to consider its merit in many ways. I am not new, however, to common courtesy. The fact is there are many people on this site that take time out of their busy days to sit and review the photos here and give constructive criticism on the photos. They vote honestly and fairly without worry of their own placement. I thank those people. Not for the votes, but for the constructive critiques that help make me a better photographer.
I apologize...this subject has me hot. |
If we go by your logic...
My "avg vote cast" is higher than yours. So does that mean that you are the one who is irrational, ignorant, and just plain stupid? I think that is pretty harsh to say to someone elses face because they are voting a certain way. This wasnt a free challenge. I'm sorry, but just because a car with a month would be in a calander, doesn't mean I have to vote it high. It's all about creativity, at least for me. If a photo is creative, thats what gets my high marks.
Calling me irrational, ignorant, and just plain stupid is just well, stupid. Don't hate on me because I don't follow your ethics in voting.
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