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11/03/2004 08:41:37 PM · #1 |
Hi all, first I whanna start with making sure that everyone understands I am not complaining about the score, votes or comments. But analyzing my submission in poverty, and trying to learn from the outcome, I realize I recived these verry lowest votes: 3-1's, 2-2's and 20-3's.
Wow, 25 people gave it the lowest 1,2,3 score. Yet all the comments are fairly positive and those that are not do not sound as a 1,2,3. If I go back and analize all my submission in all the challenges I participated I got a fairly good amount of 1,2,3 but I don't think I ever got a comment, constructive or not, that would lead me to the conclusion ok this guy is probably one of those who rated me a 1,2,3. I'm not even wondering why this is happening because there can be made 1000's theories I have a few myself and I bet everyone has. I'm sure I'm not alone in this eyther. I am writing this with the hope that one of those guys will be reading this. I just wanna say this to you whoever you are. Here is my submission:
Have the guts to comment your vote atleast once in a while! I won't byte, I might even consider your opinion if it's in anyway constructive or relevant. Otherways you are a chicken shit moron, a coward, one of those that think they can be more succesful by trashing other people around them. Ofcourse you are anonymous and nobody else will ever know who you are, but you know who you are, and you know what kind of sorry worth person you are, and I just wanned to remind it to you. Now you can continue your miserable life, thank you for reading.
PS I need to also give a personal award to one commenter, and that is aggiedanelover. The best commenter/voter. Why? simply because she prooved she looks carefuly at the pictures before they act. I'm not saying others don't, but she noticed an element in the picture (the little dog) noone else found it not even after I told them it's there and gave them the full size image to look for it. :)) So I must say I'm verry much impressed with her careful analysis of my image. Thank you Mandy if many others would be half as meticulous as you are this site would no longer be a lottery place!
Message edited by author 2004-11-03 20:42:51.
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11/03/2004 08:50:13 PM · #2 |
| Well, my opinion FWIW... This is a nice "street photo" but doesn't say "Poverty" to me. As for the little dog at upper right, it's so dark it practically disappears into the background, and just doesn't seem like a significant element of the image. I would give it a solid 4. |
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11/03/2004 08:57:36 PM · #3 |
Yes from the comments I recived I learned I didn't clearly expressed poverty with it. To me it is poverty because I know that thsese Romanian gypsies are people who have a verry low standards of life, the selling of that gabbage will be theyr entire income this month for the entire family and so. But I admit it is not as "extreme poverty" as other images in the challenge expressed. And I can understand a 4 too. The image probably didn't tell you much you couldn't connect with it or whatever. But for a 1,2,3 the image must be terrible tehnically, completely and clearly off topic, badly composed, badly focused, ... etc. At least I only give 1,2,3 to those and in many cases I leave a comment with those too.
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11/03/2004 09:04:33 PM · #4 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Otherways you are a chicken shit moron, a coward, one of those that think they can be more succesful by trashing other people around them. |
I trust I don't need to point out to you the irony in this statement? ;-) I understand your frustration in receiving these low votes without sufficient constructive feedback since that happens to lots of people (probably most people) in every single challenge. I liked your photo and think that your score is pretty good, so I hope you're satisfied enough with your shot and your score to look past these minor frustrations. Happy shooting!
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11/03/2004 09:08:09 PM · #5 |
| BTW, I'm consistently getting rather low scores for what I consider to be pretty good shots... anyway I like them! |
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11/03/2004 09:08:48 PM · #6 |
| While your frustration is understandable (we've all been there, trust me) your personal attacks are not. I know they were not directed at tangible persons, but that doesn't excuse the name-calling. Please consider this prior to posting in the future. Thanks. |
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11/03/2004 09:11:24 PM · #7 |
Yes but I'm not frustrated at all, I like my shot and I perfectly understand why it didn't do better in the challenge, and why some people didn't see so much poverty in it. I just felt like speaking my mind to those guys doing that just because they are anonymous trash anything that's not theyrs. That's all I wanned to say.
Message edited by author 2004-11-03 21:19:10.
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11/03/2004 09:15:32 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
While your frustration is understandable (we've all been there, trust me) your personal attacks are not. I know they were not directed at tangible persons, but that doesn't excuse the name-calling. Please consider this prior to posting in the future. Thanks. |
Ummm ok, I don't understand why you feel like defending that kind of people, but ok I wont call names again in the future.
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11/03/2004 10:04:12 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by kirbic:
While your frustration is understandable (we've all been there, trust me) your personal attacks are not. I know they were not directed at tangible persons, but that doesn't excuse the name-calling. Please consider this prior to posting in the future. Thanks. |
Ummm ok, I don't understand why you feel like defending that kind of people, but ok I wont call names again in the future. |
You misinterpret my intent. I pass no judgement whatsoever. Looking over your score distribution, some ones are expected, though you got maybe two more ones than a normal statistical distribution would imply.
Just because someone gave you a 1, 2, or 3, does not make make them a "chicke s*** moron." They have a different opinion and way of voting. We don't need to agree, and I'm not "defending" except to defend people's right to vote (within some reason) as they choose. The only reason I posted at all was because of the personal attack. I chose not to hide or edit your post, since the personal attack was a small part of it.
Thanks for understanding and thanks in advance for applying more restraint in the future. |
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11/03/2004 10:36:17 PM · #10 |
| I see that I gave this a 6 and quite liked it. I also think it's rather strange that anyone would give this a 1, 2, or 3, so I'd be interested too in hearing anyone's explanation. However, I don't think you'll coax a response by calling people names. |
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11/03/2004 10:51:40 PM · #11 |
I donno I whasn't actualy looking for a response, I reather thought if I speak my mind about it maybe some would feel bad about themselves for doing it and next time... nevermind I realise now how naive my thoughts were. :))
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11/04/2004 01:01:50 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
I donno I whasn't actualy looking for a response, I reather thought if I speak my mind about it maybe some would feel bad about themselves for doing it and next time... nevermind I realise now how naive my thoughts were. :)) |
Its just apart of public voting, if one stops voting that way another jumps into their spot. Forget those votes. If they comment that is a different thing.
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11/04/2004 01:12:07 AM · #13 |
Warning: The following sentence has been said at least once in every thread there has ever been on this subject (which is countless).
You also got several 8's, 9's, and 10's, yet I don't hear you complaining about those abnormal voting patters.
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11/04/2004 01:19:27 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by StevePax:
Warning: The following sentence has been said at least once in every thread there has ever been on this subject (which is countless).
You also got several 8's, 9's, and 10's, yet I don't hear you complaining about those abnormal voting patters. |
Some of those usualy have comments attached to them. For some reason people are less afraid to say if they like it than if they don't. If those were also not commented I would be complaining about that too. I like to know what someone likes as much as I like to know what someone doesn't like in my images.
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11/04/2004 06:53:21 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
For some reason people are less afraid to say if they like it than if they don't. |
Maybe that's because when you do comment on something that you don't like it, people have a tendency to get upset and mad, and will blast you on a forum, or PM you, etc. Also, many people do not like to feel like they are the bringers of bad news, or low scores.
It's easier to say why you like a photo than it is to pinpoint why you don't. It's also easier to just give a low number than to try to give constructive criticism, and face it most people prefer the easy way out.
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11/04/2004 07:00:57 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Originally posted by StevePax:
Warning: The following sentence has been said at least once in every thread there has ever been on this subject (which is countless).
You also got several 8's, 9's, and 10's, yet I don't hear you complaining about those abnormal voting patters. |
Some of those usualy have comments attached to them. For some reason people are less afraid to say if they like it than if they don't. If those were also not commented I would be complaining about that too. I like to know what someone likes as much as I like to know what someone doesn't like in my images. |
I can understand how it's upsetting to receive low sores and no comments with them. I've been there. But, am I to understand that you consistently leave comments on images that you rate 3 or lower? From your stance in this thread, I really hope you do...
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11/04/2004 08:20:24 AM · #17 |
The picture in question rec'd an overall vote of 5.801 and you're posting a whiny thread?
Most people post comments when they are really impressed with something or really unimpressed. Work that is of average quality for a "good photographer" tends to go uncommented because people say, "Yeah, that's a decent shot. Cool." and move on to something with obvious flaws or inspirational attributes. Not too many people stop long enough to do a detailed critique of something that requires study.
This pic isn't particularly inspiring in its composition, and has some lighting challenges trying to keep detail in the background while not blowing out the pile of vegetables. You compromised and deep-shadowed the area the people are in. The cropped leg on the left is also a bit awkward. It's a good image which fits the theme very well, but not an inspirational one.
Thus, not too many comments, but a very respectable score for DPC. Everyone gets a few outliers in their votes - not sure why people get touchy about it, especially when their overall is just shy of getting a '6', which is a GREAT DPC score.
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11/04/2004 08:30:43 AM · #18 |
Originally posted by Beagleboy:
I can understand how it's upsetting to receive low sores and no comments with them. I've been there. But, am I to understand that you consistently leave comments on images that you rate 3 or lower? From your stance in this thread, I really hope you do... |
Let's see... Member since Oct. '03, so over a year on DPC, and less than 300 comments. 26 challenges were entered in that time. Let's say conservatively that there were 200 entries in each of those challenges. That's 5200 opportunities to comment, of which 268 were capitolized on. That's an optimistic 5% comment rate per challenge entered on average. I know some of the challenges were way over 200 entries, so it's actually lower.
Not too impressive for all the whining being done.
# Made: 268
# Helpful: 189
# Received: 482
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11/04/2004 08:33:05 AM · #19 |
I gave it a 6 which is the highest I will give for a shot I don't feel really meets the challenge. However if some people think it deserved a one thats what they thought of it....so big deal. I wouldn't judge your work by the votes you get here since a lot of times your score is determined on how you addressed a topic and not the technical merits of the actual photo.
just my 2cents
edit: typo...
Message edited by author 2004-11-04 08:33:36. |
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11/04/2004 09:30:47 AM · #20 |
I think this entry may was under rated and certainly not deserving of the number of low scores it recieved but every voter is entitled to their own opinion.
This image clearly indicates poverty to me despite the fact they have clothes and all their limbs. I don't think any of us would like to trade places with this family. Poverty does not necessarily mean you are homeless or pitiful and I think this message got lost in voting on this challenge. These people do not appear bored or relaxed, rather they seem to be waiting, perhaps hopelesly for work.
The challenge was POVERTY not Pathetic. |
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11/04/2004 09:45:18 AM · #21 |
I agree, comments are helpful, but...
Cristi, you are one of the best active photographers on this site. Your photographs are not so much 'entries' as standards by which the other photos should be measured.
There are only a few other photographers whose work I love as much as yours (Pedro and jjbeguin - I'm sure there might be one or two others I have yet to discover).
This thread is sort of like Ray Bradbury asking his readers how his stories could be improved, or Syd Barrett wondering why he wasn't getting a good response from a crowd...
You need to be the one teaching us...I mean that.
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11/04/2004 10:42:57 AM · #22 |
Frumo,
Greetings, I am one of you put it those "ckicken shit, moron...coward" voters, (annoying when people don't see things exactly your way isn't it) I gave you a three, had I known that with a 5.801, a socre many on may never be priviledged enough to recieve, you were going to whine so much, I would have given you a 1.
First, My reasons for your 3, which no where on here does it state that I have to have, nor that they have to be logical. 1) Chopped off leg on the left, 2) 3rd dude from the left to me, looks kind of blurry, 3) the wall on the left half of the picture lacks texture, but on the right it has wonderfull texture, but yet I assume its all the same material. 4) It's a poverty challenge, but yet the people, for working class folks seem to have clothes that are in good condition, and look warm, they can afford a paper, they can afford to sit around, they can also afford this huge pile of food, all of these hardly classify them as impovershed in my book. Now I will plead guilty of being familiar with the gypie lifestyle/culture, but how is the viewer suppose to know that they are gypsies??? If you had said this was in america, I would assume these folks are farmers just sitting around after working the family farm (another sign of not being poor) Now enters personal taste, as others have said the photo just did not have "Pop" to me, it didnt move me or elicit a reaction from me at all, never a good feature when it comes to myself and scoring. For all of these and probably a few more that I have forgot, It got a three, deal with it.
Now as for a few of your comments that I would like to address, "Defending that Kind of people" What type of people would that be, those who dont agree with you, or those who have the independence to vote as they wish, or perhaps you wish it that everyone who doesnt agree with you, and like your work would just not vote, or leave this site? Also I'm wondering how votes "Have comments attached to them" I would love to know how you know which votes make which comments, after all as far as I can see, I can leave a wonderfull comment on a pic, but still vote it a 1 (not that I would) so I'm curious.....
A Proud and defiant chicken shit moron,
Mike
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11/04/2004 10:55:42 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:
Hi all, first I whanna start with making sure that everyone understands I am not complaining about the score, votes or comments.
"Have the guts to comment your vote atleast once in a while! "
"I might even consider your opinion if it's in anyway constructive or relevant. "
"Otherways you are a chicken shit moron, a coward, one of those that think they can be more succesful by trashing other people around them."
"..you know what kind of sorry worth person you are, and I just wanned to remind it to you. "
Now you can continue your miserable life, thank you for reading.
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One can't possibly think the above post actually makes sense and has merit. A good early morning chuckle, though so thanks! |
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11/04/2004 10:58:04 AM · #24 |
You came 32 out of 172 entries with a 5+ vote!
What's the big problem? So you got some 1,2&3's, join the club! |
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11/04/2004 11:11:29 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Formerlee:
You came 32 out of 172 entries with a 5+ vote!
What's the big problem? So you got some 1,2&3's, join the club! |
The winner of the povery challenge received votes on the entire scale I believe (incl. 1,2,3) quite undeservedly (sp?) |
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