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drgsoell

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10/22/2004 05:03:45 PM · #1

Until today, I was on the fence as to who to vote for. But Bush just tipped me over to Kerry's side.

Bush is going to be in Alamogordo tomorrow, talking at my daughter's high school. It was a last minute change in his plans and they decided they needed lots of time to secure the area. So what do they decide? Let's let the high school out at 1:00 instead of 3:30. The kids go for that. Unfortunately, the buses are still coming at the regular time. No problem for kids that walk home, but no parents were notified. So, unless you got told through other sources (I got a broadcast email at the air force base I work at 45 minutes before school out time), your bus riding child can either walk home, hope to call a parent/friend or sit around the school for 2 1/2 hours. I called my wife and she is getting my daughter, but many others have working parents that cannot take the extra time off with such short notice.

So this proves it. Bush is not only anti-education (cutting classes short to stump for votes) but he is also anti-family (inconveniencing school kids, their parents) and anti-business (inconveniencing their parent's employers).

Sounds like a good reason to vote for Kerry.

drg

P.S. Now that you have gotten this far, don't go off on me. The incident is real, but THE REST OF THE POST IS A JOKE. Sounded like a real raving lunatic, didn't I? Now admit it, how many got ticked off at me before reading the P.S.?

AmiYuy

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10/22/2004 05:11:45 PM · #2

I wasn't ticked, just annoyed that you were blaming Bush for something which wasn't really his decision. The security decides that with the school administration...don't they?

Message edited by author 2004-10-22 17:12:10.

Dr.Confuser

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10/22/2004 05:26:34 PM · #3

I'm an old fart.

[tongue in cheek] I guess anything that bothers high school kids is a winner in my book. [/tongue in cheek]

Russell2566

10/22/2004 05:30:12 PM · #4

I'm glad to see you making an educated vote decision for the president based on something he has nothing to do with...

Anachronite

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10/22/2004 06:49:08 PM · #5

Originally posted by drgsoell:

you sounded like a typical liberal idiot... lol glad to know you were just joking!

petrakka

10/22/2004 06:52:25 PM · #6

i was highly saddened till i read the p.s. you're a clever one. i already put in my vote for the w. via absentee.

Russell2566

10/22/2004 08:07:29 PM · #7

Originally posted by drgsoell:

Now admit it, how many got ticked off at me before reading the P.S.?

I did. I ignored the PS because it looked like you signature, so I never actualy read the content... Doh...

drgsoell

Olympus C-750UZ

10/25/2004 10:34:34 AM · #8

Originally posted by AmiYuy:

I wasn't ticked, just annoyed that you were blaming Bush for something which wasn't really his decision. The security decides that with the school administration...don't they?

I was not blaming Bush, IT WAS A JOKE. And actually, the security is not up to the school administration. The Secret Service decides what is needed for security. I am not begrudging them their due. But the school could have handled the parent notification better.

Whether I am for or against Bush does not matter. ANY president or presidential candidate should have proper security. They did what they deemed appropriate and I have no complaints.

Sheesh. I think people are beginning to look for reasons to be annoyed with others. I enjoy some of the political rants here (that's why I posted this, for a little lite comic relief), but I think I'll be glad when it's all over (including the lawsuits and accusations that will fly after Nov 2).

drg

Olyuzi

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10/25/2004 11:38:32 AM · #9

Since you brought it up, what is the Bush record on education from the â��education president?â��

1. Bush is shifting funding of Head Start programs to the states where there is lower standards and less accountability. Heâ��s also freezing enrollment to this program so that 40% of eligible kids will not be eligible next year.

2. Bush is eliminating the Even Start program that encourages parents to teach kids to read. Family values?

3. Bush has fallen short by $33 billion his own proposed No Child Left Behind program. The National Governors Association has voted unanimously to label NCLB program an unfunded mandate.

4. Bush has proposed cutting $200 million from Impact Aid to military families, despite a campaign 2000 promise to increase this funding by $300 million. Another strike against our enlisted men and women.

5. Bush broke a campaign promise to increase the maximum Pell grant to $5,100; is proposing to eliminate the LEAP program; and is cutting Perkins loans by $100 million.

6. Bush is cutting vocational training by $316 million and employment training by $150 million.

From
this article.

Russell2566

10/25/2004 12:43:59 PM · #10

Olyuzi, you got some brown stuff on your nose... I think your following te liberal "train" a little too close...

Olyuzi

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10/25/2004 12:52:55 PM · #11

Originally posted by Russell2566:

Olyuzi, you got some brown stuff on your nose... I think your following te liberal "train" a little too close...

Are those the facts, or not, Russell?

GoldBerry

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10/25/2004 12:58:49 PM · #12

LOL the original post had me steamed, 'til the P.S. of course.

But ya know how many ppl would ACTUALLY draw such a conclusion? I'd say thousands.

mrorange002

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10/25/2004 12:59:44 PM · #13

I'll give you 100 reasons you should vote for Bush:

1. Going into war requires caution. Who better to be cautious than a proven coward who deserted when it was his time to go?

2. Because deficits mean more pools for foreign bankers. And, people have to clean those pools.

3. Because people need more time with their families. How better to get that time than with a good lay-off.

4. Ten thousand fewer dollars a year average mean less taxes for the average person.

5. Because if we don't have our travel papers checked and get strip-searched, the terrorists will come in and take away those freedoms.

6. Because nobody CARES about habeas corpus.

7. Who better to know how terrorists think than two people who have done extensive business with them.

8. Because the Chinese need ANOTHER spy plane...less dented up this time, thank you...

9. Because there are a few children who HAVEN'T yet been left behind.

10. Because he should win at least ONE election, eh?...

11. Because Osama really WAS irrelevant.

12. Because the buck stops...over there...by Clinton...

13. It's one thing for the Kurds to capture Saddam and put him into a hole and call the U.S. military;
but, it takes a real man to take credit for his capture...

14. Because we no longer care about Taiwan.

15. Because speaking English is no longer necessary to be president.

16. Because he stands by his statements for at least eighteen hours before his handlers tell us what he REALLY meant to say...

17. Because he holds at least one press conference a year with prescreened questions.

18. Because he keeps those with opposing opinions away from his campaign rallies, thereby giving them more time for other things...

19. Because deserting during a war isn't as bad as volunteering, serving one tour of duty,
signing up for a second tour of the most dangerous duty, then getting out after three purple hearts.

20. Because Cheney and Rush told you to...

21. Because, with a grandfather that dealt with the Nazis, a father that sold weapons to terrorists and a VP
who dealt with Saddam, Bush not only knows about terrorism, he has most of their home phone numbers...

22. Because, sometimes you just need an ignorant religious zealot to run things...

23. Because he gave Texas its first deficit. If he can remember what he did, he just won't do that with our economy...any more...

24. Who better to reform our prison system than someone who's been arrested three times?

25. With a DUI and three DUIs for his VP, he has shown he can operate heavy machinery under the influence.
Think of how competent he will be sober...

26. He doesn't trash veterans. His friends trash veterans...

27. He's the first president who has taken the initiative to have torture legalized...

28. He won't leave even if he's voted out of office. Elect him or he'll cause a scene...

29. The first lady has already killed once. Watch out, democrats in congress!

30. Vote for bush because, if you don't, he'll allow other terrorist attacks...

31. There are a million fewer jobs than when he entered office. This job shortage will keep us from using
super-intelligent apes to do the work that we cannot get to which would result in them rebelling and
blowing up the Statue of Liberty and making Charlton Heston cryâ�¦

32. There are so many more reporters he hasnâ��t given spiffy nicknames toâ�¦

33. Drunken daughters can be seen on Girls Gone Wild #8. Itâ��s much more exciting when their father is actively president.

34. Has the decency not to speak to a committee without Cheney nearby to tell them to â��f*ck themselvesâ��â�¦

35. Sometimes, you need the perspective of an ex-cheerleaderâ�¦

36. Because only Bush has the courage to stage the daring rescue of Jessica Lynchâ�¦

37. He was grounded for not taking a drug test, so we can be sure that he wonâ��t steal a plane and run away during the nightâ�¦

38. Any person who can get the city of Arlington to condemn the land of private citizens and buy him a stadium
has got to be amazingly persuasiveâ�¦

39. He has full confidence in the voting machinesâ�¦even the ones that he knows nothing aboutâ�¦

40. If we get tired of him, we can just throw him a pretzel or put him on one of those two wheeled nerd mobilesâ�¦

41. You look at an aircraft carrier and you see and aircraft carrier. He sees an aircraft carrier and he sees a photo-opâ�¦

42. If you donâ��t vote for Bush, Ann Coulter will come to your home and beat you to death with her penisâ�¦

43. With four more years, we might actually get to see him testify under oathâ�¦JUST KIDDING!

44. Because large corporations are still at the mercy of survivorsâ�� lawsuits whenever their negligence kills usâ�¦

45. Because, after failing at every business venture he has ever tried, heâ��s almost got it rightâ�¦

46. Because heâ��s an OIL MAN and he knows how to talk those OPEC guys into charging us an astronomical sum,
then charging slightly less than thatâ�¦

47. Because he was for a patientâ��s bill of rights as governor of Texas. Thatâ��s why he threatened to veto the bill,
then let it become law without his signatureâ�¦

48. Because, if he doesnâ��t pull American troops out of Korea, how can North Korea overrun the South?

49. Because his mother is a male impersonator and so is his fatherâ�¦

50. Because our children need to understand that, in America, any multi-millionaire, no matter how corrupt
and incompetent, can grow up to steal the presidencyâ�¦

51. Because he bravely defended the Gulf Coast from the Vietnamese during the war.

52. Because he does a great impersonation of women who have been condemned to death. Almost as good
as D'Amattoâ��s impersonation of Judge Itoâ�¦

53. Because Christianity needs his help. God canâ��t do it all on his ownâ�¦

54. If we vote bush out, the NRA will have to find another office in Washington, D.Câ�¦

55. The same goes for the KKKâ�¦

56. You saw him in that flight suitâ�¦he WAS happy to see you!

57. Because, if we vote him out of office, heâ��d have to interrupt a vacation to get his things out of the White Houseâ�¦

58. Because Halliburton has been growing in his bedroom moaning â��Feed meâ��â�¦

59. Because, if heâ��s not president anymore, Cheney will quit hanging out with himâ�¦

60. Because we need a president who will bravely fly secretly into Iraq, stay at the airport for a few hours, then run awayâ�¦

61. Because, if you donâ��t disqualify over a million people from getting overtime, the terrorists winâ�¦

62. Because who else can answer a prescreened, benign question with a well-rehearsed, but poorly-executed humorous response?

63. Because Powell wonâ��t work for someone smarter than he isâ�¦

64. Because two out of eight retired four-star generals agree that Bush is the man for the job.

65. Because women carrying signs saying â��Get Rid of Your Bushâ�� are a lot sexier than women carrying signs saying â��Get Rid of Your Kerryâ��â�¦

66. Because, if you donâ��t, heâ��ll drop the dog AGAINâ�¦

67. Because heâ��s a regular guy and he knows what it is like to struggle day after day to convince other people to buy him a baseball stadiumâ�¦

68. Because his father didnâ��t completely wipe out the Kurdsâ�¦

69. Because the â��Blame Clintonâ�� tactic will still be effective for two more yearsâ�¦

70. Because his â��Let My Contributors Steer the Submarineâ�� initiative has already proven effective against Japanese fishermen.

71. With all the resignations in Bushâ��s administration, itâ��d be a shame if he were to have to leave as wellâ�¦

72. If Bush goes away, weâ��ll have to get a National Security Advisor whose name DOESNâ��T sound like that of an Asian porn starâ�¦

73. Bush knows what it is like to suffer from hunger, having presided over a state with a huge number of impoverished childrenâ�¦

74. Bush would be the only two-term president to have actually swallowed the umbrella in his mai taiâ�¦

75. Because we donâ��t want gays to be promiscuous and we donâ��t want them to be monogamousâ�¦

76. Because hearing him speak reminds one of Eliza Dolittleâ�¦and who didnâ��t like â��My Fair Ladyâ��?

77. Because being allowed to invest oneâ��s own social security money will provide our retirees with the same returns
that our IRAs did when invested the same wayâ�¦

78. Because billionaires need to eat tooâ�¦

79. Because our teachers need to be held accountableâ�¦so do our studentsâ�¦for that matter, so does everyone but Bush actuallyâ�¦

80. Because he believes that marriage should be only between a man and a woman of the exact same raceâ�¦

81. Because drilling in Alaska will provide America with that one percent of oil that we need to break away from OPECâ�¦

82. Because the average person had it too easy under Clintonâ�¦

83. Because the term â��Tax cutâ�� causes a Pavlovian response in neoconsâ�¦

84. Because he's not as stupid as he looks...no one could be...

85. Because the rest of the world was on the verge of thinking that they were just as good as we are...

86. Because this time, he could actually WIN Floridaâ�¦

87. Because the twins need Secret Service agents to hold their hair back while they vomit curbsideâ�¦

88. Because, if we donâ��t elected GW, Scalia is just going to have to get out of bed in the middle of the night and APPOINT him presidentâ�¦

89. As long as Bush is president, Bill Maher stays off commercial television and gets to swear as much as he wants.

90. Because we truly werenâ��t getting enough arsenic in our waterâ�¦

91. Stop looters? Sorryâ�¦he thought that they asked him to â��Stop at Hootersâ��â�¦

92. Because, in the next term, he might actually manage to organize an election in at least one of the two â��democraciesâ�� heâ��s created.

93. Because he has given the world a single unifying dreamâ�¦of his gruesome demiseâ�¦

94. Without President Bush, Ricky Martin will have to go back to selling his body at truck stopsâ�¦

95. Because we really donâ��t want to know if there is a dangerous amount of asbestos in the airâ�¦

96. Because somebody competent would just put Jay Leno out of a jobâ�¦

97. Because four years is just enough time for Neil Bush to eliminate all witnesses to his shady and unsavory practices.
This will involve nuking a large portion of Asiaâ�¦

98. We know that he wonâ��t run away because every other country hates himâ�¦

99. Fool him once, shame on him. Fool him twiceâ�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦â�¦..

100. Heâ��s into recycling. Heâ��s already recycled many of Saddamâ��s killers into his police forceâ�¦

Russell2566

10/25/2004 01:02:00 PM · #14

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Originally posted by Russell2566:
Olyuzi, you got some brown stuff on your nose... I think your following te liberal "train" a little too close...

Are those the facts, or not, Russell?

Don't know, I skipped right over your post and didn't even really read it much. I know it's one sided and your most likely are missing 70% of the facts and I'm sure they would be easy to refute with some research. But then again why bother. You'll just call me a lier and tell me I'm blindly fallowing G Bush and that I'm a nazi or somthing.

I'm getting kind of sick of you blindly drinking all of the Democratic party's cool-aid.

GoldBerry

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10/25/2004 01:13:06 PM · #15

Those 100 reasons must've come right out of the Fahrenheit 9/11 transcripts.

I'm not American and I'm neither anti-Bush or anti-Kerry. I've read all the same propaganda, though.

EX. I watched F9/11, I cried when the women cried, laughed when the politicians denied denied denied and was equally as appauled. But anti-bushers act like this is NEW. Like Bush invented poor politics and that if you get rid of Bush then lollipops will fall from the sky and the sun will shine from Kerry's a** as he begins reign as the next Abe Lincoln.

Message edited by author 2004-10-25 13:13:42.

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10/25/2004 01:14:29 PM · #16

Originally posted by ericlimon:

I'll give you 100 reasons you should vote for Bush:

A simple link to the website will do.

Olyuzi

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10/25/2004 01:23:15 PM · #17

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Nope, I disagree with your a**sessment...lol
Liberals think along the lines of anybody but...
I don't think we're deluded into thinking he's great, or that he'll have a hugely different foreign policy than Bush. This is a matter of picking the lesser of the two evils. The Bush administration is dangerous for their imperialistic foreign policies, secrecy and lack of transparency, lack of good judgement, mismanagement, corruption, etc, etc, etc. I don't think we would get that with Kerry, who seems to be squeaky clean, although he too is getting lots of money from the corporate world.

RonB

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10/25/2004 01:37:04 PM · #18

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Since you brought it up, what is the Bush record on education from the "education president?"

1. Bush is shifting funding of Head Start programs to the states where there is lower standards and less accountability. Heâ��s also freezing enrollment to this program so that 40% of eligible kids will not be eligible next year.

2. Bush is eliminating the Even Start program that encourages parents to teach kids to read. Family values?

3. Bush has fallen short by $33 billion his own proposed No Child Left Behind program. The National Governors Association has voted unanimously to label NCLB program an unfunded mandate.

4. Bush has proposed cutting $200 million from Impact Aid to military families, despite a campaign 2000 promise to increase this funding by $300 million. Another strike against our enlisted men and women.

5. Bush broke a campaign promise to increase the maximum Pell grant to $5,100; is proposing to eliminate the LEAP program; and is cutting Perkins loans by $100 million.

6. Bush is cutting vocational training by $316 million and employment training by $150 million.

From
this article.

You asked later, "Are those the facts, or not?".

NOT.

1) According to the National Institute for Early Education Research, research suggests that quality standards in both the federal Head Start early childhood program and many state-funded early education programs fall short of what is needed. Under the proposed reforms, "participating states would be required to increase their spending on early childhood education, high standards would be required, and it would be much more difficult for federal Head Start funds intended for disadvantaged children and teachers to be wasted and squandered by local executives on lavish perks." Read more here

The statement that "Heâ��s also freezing enrollment to this program so that 40% of eligible kids will not be eligible next year." is an outright lie. There is absolutely no freeze on enrollment, and I dare anyone to produce evidence that any such freeze is proposed ( and by evidence, I do NOT include mere charges, but actual wording in official government documents ).

2. The most recent GAO study found that there was no difference between families who received Even Start services and those who did not on 38 out of 41 child and parental outcomes. The study concluded, "Even Start did not change the literacy skills or parenting skills of parents, nor did it change the literacy skills of children."

With the President's fiscal year 2005 Budget, funding for other reading programs will have increased nearly five-fold since 2001 â�� for a total of $1.3 billion â�� so that every child can read at grade level or above by the end of third grade.

3. There is no "shortfall" in NCLB funding. The Democrats are trying to portray spending LIMITS as though they were spending PROMISES. The reason that less has been disbursed is because the states haven't been able to justify that they qualify for the funds. In order to receive funding, they have to demonstrate that the funds are being used to improve student achievement and close achievement gaps between disadvantaged students and their peers. Such gaps, hidden from public view for years even as states accepted larger and larger amounts of federal education aid, now must be publicly disclosed to parents, teachers, and taxpayers. There are currently BILLIONS of authorized dollars waiting to be claimed by states under NCLB guidelines.

4. I already de-bunked this claim elsewhere - but for those who didn't see that posting, here it is again:

First, The budget proposal does seek to reduce the amount of money paid as "Impact Aid". That money is paid to school districts here in the U.S. where the children of military personnel living in off-base housing attend the local public schools. That funding averages $700 per child, per year. The towns that receive this "Impact Aid" love it, because it enables them to reduce the mill rate on taxes for the education part of their budget. The local taxpayers love it, because it means lower mill rates to them. Problem is that all of US are subsidizing the taxpayers in those towns that have ( off base ) military children attending public school. Note that those children actually live in houses and the owners of those houses are supposed to pay taxes to support local services just like you and I do. So by reducing or even removing the "Impact Aid" money, all that happens is that the shortfall in the town budget will have to be apportioned to the taxpayers - AS IT SHOULD BE. Why should I pay taxes to MY town, and then have some of MY money redistributed to towns that I don't live in, just because some military kids live there????

5. It is true that Bush made a campaign promise to increase the maximum Pell Grant to $5,100, and that that promise has not yet materialized. But there's a very good reason for that. First of all, the maximum HAS increased from $3,300 when he took office to $4,050, today. Secondly, the FY2005 budget proposal actually increases the budget for Pell Grants by an additional 856 MILLION dollars. But the choice is this - we can either increase the maximum and limit the number of grants, or increase the number of grants and not increase the maximum. Bush chose to increase the NUMBER of grants - thus enabling MORE students to receive the grants.

As for LEAP - the Program has already accomplished its objective of stimulating all States to establish need-based postsecondary student grant programs, and Federal incentives for such aid are no longer required. State grant levels have expanded greatly over the years, and most States significantly exceed the statutory matching requirements. State matching funds in academic year 1999-2000, for example, totaled nearly $1 billion or more than $950 million over the level generated by a dollar-for-dollar match.

As for Perkin Loans - while Bush did request a reduction in Perkins loans ( which must be repaid, of course ), he also requested that the Congress increase the amount of money available for student loans, and to increase the amount that students could borrow.

6. While it may be true that Bush is cutting the vocational training and employment training budgets, those decreases are effectively offset by his proposals for replacing outdated high-school shop courses ill-matched to the modern job market, with new "Community College Initiative" programs to upgrade technical and career training at 2-year colleges.

Message edited by author 2004-10-25 13:51:27.

GoldBerry

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10/25/2004 01:39:16 PM · #19

Olyuzi "This is a matter of picking the lesser of the two evils" that's brilliant.

And accurate.

Do you think people really see it that way? I do. Are some people turning a blind eye for the sake of exhaustion? I feel for the public. American, Canadian, whatever. We're all sick of the crap and the lies and the greed. We just want to feel safe and to be happy,and we want others to have these same things. But, how do you trust again after all the fiascos?

Message edited by author 2004-10-25 13:39:56.

Russell2566

10/25/2004 01:39:26 PM · #20

Thats funny:

I think Kerry is dangerous for this country because he along with many of his cohorts are ashamed that the United States is a Global Power. I think he is dangerous because he thinks the world should always act as one and that other countries have a better idea for how things should be done than we do.

I think he is dangerous because Kerry dreams of America one day becoming like Germany france or Poland, where 9-16% unemployment rates are acceptable as long as you are paying for everyone to not work for as long as they want...

Kerry is dangerous for this country because he truely does not understand what the war on terrorism is. He proves this by how arrogantly he say's "Of course I can WIN the war on terror". The war on terror is not something that can be won. There will always be terrorists, and there will always be threats. It takes a big man to admit we might not ever be 100% safe (as G Bush did).

Kerry is dangerous because he can't make up his mind. He changes his position and his thoughts on almost a daily bases. He does not even have the ecuse of changing his mind due to new facts or circumstances, he will change them in the same week depending on who he talks to...

Kerry is dangerous for this country because he thinks almost everything should be an entitlement. He is dangerous because he doesn't even remotly understand the economics behind raising minimum wage and because he doesn't understand who actualy pays for everything this country has.

Kerry is dangerous for this country because of the special interest groups he is beholdent too. While Bush may do some favors for big business or keep them on his favorits side. Groups like the NAACP, ACLU (who is currently under at LEAST 5 investigations for voter fraud), MoveOn.org and MANY MANY more are much much scarier. BTW No wonder our unemplyement is hovering around 5%, MoveOn.org has them all protesting some where...

Kerry is dangerous for this country because he actualy thinks that Hollywood represents America.

Kerry is dangerous for this country because he claims to have a plan for every damn thing on earth, but he's never told a single [deleted]person what those plans are.

And lastly, he is dangerous because he and his party would say or do anything, including hoping for the economy to fail and MASS voter fraud, just in order to get BACK IN POWER.

Message edited by mk - language.

mrorange002

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10/25/2004 01:57:00 PM · #21

Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
I'll give you 100 reasons you should vote for Bush:

A simple link to the website will do.

Sorry,
It was from an email sent to me. I looked for something similar to post about John Kerry, but had no luck. I think they are both lousy choices for president. I guess I just vote for the lesser of the two (d)evils.

Olyuzi

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10/25/2004 01:58:36 PM · #22

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

I never said that I did trust, or will trust again, but that's the reason for the checks and balances within our political system. All people are prone to corruption and so have to be watched closely. I'm very cynical about this time in our politics, and in other years I would have voted for a different candidate, but we're at a very critical moment in the time of world history and another Bush presidency with all it would bring down on the American people, and the world, would be disasterous for democracy and the health of people and the planet. Imo, what the Bush administration is planning for is nothing less than eventual global dominance militarily, economically, geopolitically, etc, and their policy for pre-emptive wars, as have been shown in Iraq, are disasterous, and will lead to anything but democracy.

Bush claims to be for education and family values but I feel this is a sham. His policies make us more at risk for attack than safer. Sorry to veer off the subject matter of this thread.

MadMordegon

10/25/2004 01:59:12 PM · #23

That list of 100 is pretty right on; the humor is scary because its mostly true.

Russell, from your last post I would say you should join PNAC, you seem to have most of the same ideals. vid.

Gordon

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10/25/2004 02:04:45 PM · #24

"Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.

The citizen [...] is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosphies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually, the three philosophies are barely distinguishableâ�¦

Science, in the old sense, has almost ceased to exist. In Newspeak there is no word for 'Science.' The empirical method of thought, on which all the scientific achievements of the past were founded, is opposed to the most fundamental principles of Ingsoc.

a nation of warriors and fanatics, marching forward in perfect unity, all thinking the same thoughts and shouting the same slogans, perpetually working, fighting, triumphing, persecuting - three hundred million people all with the same face.

the consciousness of being at war, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of all power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.

the essential act of the Party is to use conscious deception while retaining the firmness of purpose that goes with complete honesty.

What can you do [...] against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?"

Message edited by author 2004-10-25 14:05:21.

MadMordegon

10/25/2004 02:09:03 PM · #25

People should watch The Choice 2004 for a pretty good overall comparison of the canidates from their childhood to current time.

We are choosing between a hard working intellectual who has spent his whole life in public service and a cowboy with C average grades who is fun to party with.

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